(real Manchurian candidate?) Derren Brown hypnotising to kill Tonight 9pm bst

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by thedoctorswife

 

That lotto number trick, was great yet so simple, i felt like a right idiot afterwards. But he is a skilled manupulator, and one does tend to not look for the obvious answer.

When did he reveal how he did it? I have only seen people guessing at the method so far.

They say you cant hypnotize someone to kill if they are not a killer but i think its possible to get around this. Most of us wouldnt kill someone at a drop of a hat but there are certain circumstances where we would. Maybe to protect a loved one or children or even ourselves. All you have to do is create an illusion of threat through hypnosis to get someone to act out of character and become a killer.

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Oh, it was a while back now so i cant be exact, but i think it was a few days after the trick.. Basically he revealed the numbers "live" before the lotto presenter did, at 10 0 clock I think it was, turns out the wednesday lottery isnt live, but is drawn at 7pm (or there abouts) thats why you cant buy a ticket after this time, then the draw is shown after the beeb news around 10, he'd got hold of the numbers just after 7, with no laws or rules broken,.

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Oh wow , thats pretty awesome

thanks

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by thedoctorswife

 

Oh wow , thats pretty awesome

thanks

Awesome, yet incredibly obvious, i felt really stupid afterwards. He's also an incredible artist, have you seen his stuff?, he does amazing portraits.

Have to jump in here, If Derren Brown or anyone else
could really do, what he does in his show, then he would disappear.

Yes he would!!! Straight to the CIA for Um... Training.

Of course, it's all an act!!!!!

Originally posted by rigel4
Have to jump in here, If Derren Brown or anyone else
could really do, what he does in his show, then he would disappear.

Yes he would!!! Straight to the CIA for Um... Training.

Of course, it's all an act!!!!!

You sure about that??
It does make you think about Sirhan Sirhan though, repeatedly not getting parole FOR YEARS because he wouldnt show any remorse. Then again knowing Derren, yes, it could all be a con.

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
brown is a trickster. nothing more nothing less. there is always messages in the credits about its just entertainment. most people in these programmes are part of the act.

the only hypnotising is of the viewer.

don't be tricked into thinking any of this is genuine.

"I am often dishonest in my techniques ... I happily admit to cheating, it's all part of the game. I hope some of the fun for the viewer comes from not knowing what's real and what isn't" - Derren Brown, Tricks of the Mind p341

its entertainment , thats all.

That quote is taken out of context and gives the impression of something you think he is when he isnt. "I happily admit to cheating" he's been kicked out of casinos for using his tricks and techniques. "I hope some of the fun for the viewer comes from not knowing whats real and what isnt" this is a reference to his live stage shows which he plays tricks on the audience and does not reflect the progamme being discussed in this thread.

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by rigel4
Have to jump in here, If Derren Brown or anyone else
could really do, what he does in his show, then he would disappear.

Yes he would!!! Straight to the CIA for Um... Training.

Of course, it's all an act!!!!!

You sure about that??

It does make you think about Sirhan Sirhan though, repeatedly not getting parole FOR YEARS because he wouldnt show any remorse. Then again knowing Derren, yes, it could all be a con.

Not sure what the connection is?
anyway, if Derren was truly Supernatural, then he wouldn't have to have "stole" the lottery
numbers! It's good, well practised entertainment, just like a whole host of others before him.

Paul Daniels
David Copperfield
.....................................

We are Rigel4.............. Resistance is futile

Darren is not supernatural but the Neuro linguistic programing (NLP) and hypnosis tricks he uses are very real. But they dont work on everyone. What they dont usually show is all the times he gets it wrong by trying stuff on people who turn out not to be susceptible. Though i have seen them show it a few times when he messes up . its quite funny.

Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by rigel4
Have to jump in here, If Derren Brown or anyone else
could really do, what he does in his show, then he would disappear.

Yes he would!!! Straight to the CIA for Um... Training.

Of course, it's all an act!!!!!

You sure about that??

It does make you think about Sirhan Sirhan though, repeatedly not getting parole FOR YEARS because he wouldnt show any remorse. Then again knowing Derren, yes, it could all be a con.

Not sure what the connection is?
anyway, if Derren was truly Supernatural, then he wouldn't have to have "stole" the lottery
numbers! It's good, well practised entertainment, just like a whole host of others before him.

Paul Daniels
David Copperfield
.....................................

We are Rigel4.............. Resistance is futile

I never said he was "supernatural", but maybe some sort of mind control was involved in this experiment, just maybe. And yes if he was "supernatural" he wouldnt have had to "steal" the lottery numbers, he never suggested there was any sort of supernatural element to him knowing the lottery numbers, he even tricked us into believing it was got but using a system known as " the wisdom of crowds", that was just him bs ing us, because that is what he is ; a trickster, and thats what makes him entertaining.
As for the connection to Sirhan Sirhan, the Kennedy assasin was mentioned countless times in the programme.

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
reply to post by maythetruthbeknown

 

see, the problem you have here is that you believe what you watching.

its all just pretend. its not real.

actors.

Well that's were you are wrong!

I went to see Derren Brown about 6 years ago with several friends......One of my friends was chosen to join Derren on the stage....totally unplanned!...he was hypnotized into believing that the auditorium was empty, he spent several minutes in quite a distressed state wandering around the stage wondering were everyone was gone.

Yes, it's entertainment, but the guy is very clever, and it is certainly not done with actors.

Originally posted by Argyll

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
reply to post by maythetruthbeknown

 

see, the problem you have here is that you believe what you watching.

its all just pretend. its not real.

actors.

Well that's were you are wrong!

I went to see Derren Brown about 6 years ago with several friends......One of my friends was chosen to join Derren on the stage....totally unplanned!...he was hypnotized into believing that the auditorium was empty, he spent several minutes in quite a distressed state wandering around the stage wondering were everyone was gone.

Yes, it's entertainment, but the guy is very clever, and it is certainly not done with actors.

Cool of you to post that, because ive always been convinced he doesnt use plants, Oh and im sorry for your friend it must have freaked him out.

Originally posted by AKindChap
reply to post by JohnySeagull

 

Why are you so against Derren? Everything he does you just pass off as fake? Problems?

i honestly have nothing against derren brown. i am just a little surprised at how many people believe they are witnessing someone with special powers.

it is possible to hypnotise gullable people or people who wish to be hypnotised.

people have seen derren perform live and are amazed at his tricks. they have seen their own friends hypnotised. they have seen his mindtricks.

so then when they see something like this or some of his other big tricks they believe it must be possible.

they see him perform simple but impressive tricks they then accept everything he does is true.

why would people automatically assume that the principle people invovled in last nights show are not paid professionals.

i can tell you years ago i put myself forward for some of this.the were several tricky little tests to proceed. then came the huge amount of conditions that you must sign off on before participating to cover all bases. its basically for the purpose of entertainment and you are required not to reveal any secrets of the filming. i got to a certain stage in the apllication process but didn't bother proceeding because of all the conditions.

i guess some people just dont want to accept santa claus aint real.

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certainly.

Originally posted by AKindChap
reply to post by JohnySeagull

 

Why are you so against Derren? Everything he does you just pass off as fake? Problems?

An agent wants to smear a legit technique as "fake" and "hollywood".

Why do they care if DB is wrong or right? Its entertainment hypnosis. Trained psychoanalysts/psychiatrists use hypnosis and other techniques. Why is communicating directly with the subconscious so strange?

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Darren is not supernatural but the Neuro linguistic programing (NLP) and hypnosis tricks he uses are very real. But they dont work on everyone. What they dont usually show is all the times he gets it wrong by trying stuff on people who turn out not to be susceptible. Though i have seen them show it a few times when he messes up . its quite funny.

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Its television. You can edit that stuff out.

NLP,hypnosis and other techniques are effective and work depending on how suggestible the person is.

Its not one size fits all. Politicians,lawyers and marketers use these tools(tone of voice,words pacing, hand gestures,posturing,metaphoric themes,freudian sexual archetypal themes) to sell/remember/brand thier product(s).

I watched the show last night and thought it was brilliant.
Makes you wonder about Kennedys shooting and possibly others.

I`m surprised this thread hasn`t got more flags and comments.

Originally posted by lambros56
I watched the show last night and thought it was brilliant.
Makes you wonder about Kennedys shooting and possibly others.

I`m surprised this thread hasn`t got more flags and comments.

I put this on the other current DB thread, but il repeat it here. What suprised me with regard to Sirhan Sirhan is, that the guy has had opportunity for parole MANY times, but he has never gone for it but showing remorse or whatever. He has always maintained his innocence, and im genuinely starting to think there might be something to it, why ever else would he not have gone for release and then maybe witness relocation.

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by lambros56
I watched the show last night and thought it was brilliant.
Makes you wonder about Kennedys shooting and possibly others.

I`m surprised this thread hasn`t got more flags and comments.

I put this on the other current DB thread, but il repeat it here. What suprised me with regard to Sirhan Sirhan is, that the guy has had opportunity for parole MANY times, but he has never gone for it but showing remorse or whatever. He has always maintained his innocence, and im genuinely starting to think there might be something to it, why ever else would he not have gone for release and then maybe witness relocation.

Exactly my thoughts.
Although i haven`t really done much research on it. John Lennon`s slaying has always made me think along these lines.

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
i honestly have nothing against derren brown. i am just a little surprised at how many people believe they are witnessing someone with special powers.

Well then that's their problem for not listening to Derren when he says nothing he does is paranormal, magic or supernatural. He claims that up front and that his techniques are based on human behaviour analysis and predictability - NLP, etc. He's very up front about it.

i can tell you years ago i put myself forward for some of this.the were several tricky little tests to proceed. then came the huge amount of conditions that you must sign off on before participating to cover all bases. its basically for the purpose of entertainment and you are required not to reveal any secrets of the filming. i got to a certain stage in the apllication process but didn't bother proceeding because of all the conditions.

i guess some people just dont want to accept santa claus aint real.

I was in a group of people selected for a stage hypnosis session one year during university. there were about 8 of us and as we were standing on stage, he walked down the line of people and while talking on his mic to the audience, stopped at me, looked and said, "You can go sit down" and then to another person. I felt pretty embarassed as I didnt know why. It turns out that hypnosis doesn't work on me. How he knew, I dunno.

And that's the whole point of this stuff - entertainment. No one has magical powers to make others do what you want - that's fantasy. And Derren knows this and advertises his shows AS entertainment, nothing more.

It's only when some people eitehr take it too seriously or, locked into a world of CIA, non-existent Illuminaughty or other bogus conspiracies that they get wound up expecting to see something Hollywood broadcasts as "true".

The CIA did some awfully weird and wacky stuff in MK Ultra that was successful, but usually a very specific list of criteria needs to be met...the sorts of techniques applied do not work on everyone, either gradual softening of the mind to suggestions or finding someone naturally prone.