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President Hamid Karzai has given up trying to talk to the Taliban, saying in a video released Saturday that Pakistan holds the only key to making peace with insurgents and must do more to support a political resolution to the war.
Karzai revealed his tougher stance against Pakistan, which he claims is harboring militants, on the same day that the Afghan intelligence service said it has hard evidence that the assassination of former President Burhanuddin Rabbani was planned on the southern outs..
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Don't pretend this was a forgone situation; it wasn't. It's a situation we - the US - intentionally created. We fomented the civil war in the 70's, in the interest of toppling a government that was too "leftist" four our government's liking. We then gave Pakistan carte blanche to spend US money with no US oversight to support "our guys" - bin Ladin and the other Mujahadeen. We then abandoned any and all involvement in Afghanistan, and happily watched it descend into bloody chaos until the Taliban took over - and then we gave them millions - so what if they were beating people to death and actually trying to lynch television sets (no, that's not a joke) they also burned poppy fields, and THAT'S what's important. We then refused their offer to hand bin Ladin over to a third party, and happily went in and roflstomped the Taliban. And then we spent eight years doing something completely unrelated, allowing the situation we saw in the 1980's to make a comeback. we refused to offer any aid to men like Abdul Haq who could have rallied the many factions into a cohesive entity because he did not meet our economic agenda (He's dead by the way; the CIA equipped him with some emergency phones, then failed to respond to his emergency use of the emergency phones.)
This situation is too FUBAR to have been accidental. The goal is to have a destabilized state. The goal is to have a violent state. This goal is because Afghanistan shares borders with Pakistan, China, and Iran; we pull out, Afghanistan becomes their problem, a resource drain at their borders.
Aided and enabled by the American people, of course.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Did we expect anything else?
Afghanistan has been the lynchpin in the region for a long long long time, going back before the new world was even discovered. With Iran on one side and Pakistan on the other, its only a given that they are going to vie for influence in that country.
Relations between Iran and Pakistan arent friendly in the least, and neither country wants a US presence at all (espcially Iran since they have US forces on both borders now).
Chinahas an interest in how Afghanistan plays out due, agian to proximity to certain countries (and closer to the Middle East) as well as resources.
Did anyone expect negotiations with the Taliban to actually achieve anything? They assasinated Karzias brother a few months back and have been targeting other members of the Afghan government.
The Taliban doesnt want to be part of the government. They want to BE the government, and if that comes to pass Afghanistan will be returned to the 3rd century.
Originally posted by Paulioetc15
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Did we expect anything else?
Afghanistan has been the lynchpin in the region for a long long long time, going back before the new world was even discovered. With Iran on one side and Pakistan on the other, its only a given that they are going to vie for influence in that country.
Relations between Iran and Pakistan arent friendly in the least, and neither country wants a US presence at all (espcially Iran since they have US forces on both borders now).
Chinahas an interest in how Afghanistan plays out due, agian to proximity to certain countries (and closer to the Middle East) as well as resources.
Did anyone expect negotiations with the Taliban to actually achieve anything? They assasinated Karzias brother a few months back and have been targeting other members of the Afghan government.
The Taliban doesnt want to be part of the government. They want to BE the government, and if that comes to pass Afghanistan will be returned to the 3rd century.
I agree, especially once we leave Afghanistan, then the Taliban will just regain control of the country again like it was before 9/11 attacks and after the Soviet-Afghan war. We should leave Afghanistan immediately and as soon as possible. Then we need to have time to monitor the middle east because right now, they are at war with us now and they never figured out when to stop the carnage.
This may go on for a very long time.
I think you're right, if we leave the Taliban will seize control of the government and the country will return to pre-9/11. I don't think that's the best idea, however, if other countries played a more prominent role in securing Afghanistan, we could drawn down forces. Its clear Pakistan supports pro-Taliban militants.
Originally posted by Cosmic911
I agree that this will continue for years to come. I'm not sure what direction the U.S.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
The reason for going into Afghanistan was to end Bin Laden.
Mission accomplished there.