The Dead Sea Scrolls, a few interesting things for ats members.

reply to post by Ashira
No, I don't see any matches between Catholic Apocrypha, and the DSS.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Ashira

 

No, I don't see any matches between Catholic Apocrypha, and the DSS.

retraction lol

Really annoying that I can't get the quote thing to work right. Sorry for blank posts. I will be giving up now.

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Just a little something....when Jesus was on the cross dying...isn't he supposed to have said father, father, why has thou forsaken me? So...was he talking to himself?

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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Just a little something....when Jesus was on the cross dying...isn't he supposed to have said father, father, why has thou forsaken me? So...was he talking to himself?

No he was speaking to his Father...

You answered your own question

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The illuminati were from 18 th century Bavaria. This has been pointed out to you before. Perhaps you refer to a different group or secret society but they were not illuminati.

the Codex Sinaiticus of the 4th century and the Codex Alexandrinus of The 5 th century are older than the masoretic texts. And complete old testament. You dated masoretic texts right but wanted to clarify

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Science has by no means comes to terms with parallel dimensions or multiple universes. Intellectually is not a word you should throw around. By that I mean you specifically. You say atheism is an intellectually dishonest opinion? An intellectually dishonest opinion? Explain to me first what you mean and then explain how you came up with the phrase intellectually dishonest opinion? You say god can't be disproved like it's the most concrete proof there is. Explain 1 way that god can be proved and you've got an argument. Who gave this guy stars for that response?

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Ok so explain the trinity to me. And how Jesus speaks to his father but he and his father are one. And how these 2 seperate entities are both the same god.

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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The illuminati were from 18 th century Bavaria. This has been pointed out to you before. Perhaps you refer to a different group or secret society but they were not illuminati.

Sure, thanks for telling me, but I know what I know.

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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Ok so explain the trinity to me. And how Jesus speaks to his father but he and his father are one. And how these 2 seperate entities are both the same god.

Jesus was not God, he spoke to the Father as a seperate entity because he is a seperate entity... Not one and the same.

Yet as he said, God is within him... But God is greater then the son

The trinity is an idea that was introduced 300+ years after christ.

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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Just a little something....when Jesus was on the cross dying...isn't he supposed to have said father, father, why has thou forsaken me? So...was he talking to himself?

Psalm 22

1My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

2O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.

3But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

4Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

5They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

6But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

9But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

10I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

11Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

12Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

13They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

14I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

19But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

20Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

21Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

22I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

23Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

25My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.

29All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Do You think He was trying to tell us something?

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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Ok so explain the trinity to me. And how Jesus speaks to his father but he and his father are one. And how these 2 seperate entities are both the same god.

Jesus was not God, he spoke to the Father as a seperate entity because he is a seperate entity... Not one and the same.

Yet as he said, God is within him... But God is greater then the son

The trinity is an idea that was introduced 300+ years after christ.

edit on 4-10-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

Jesus is the same with God, BUT!! in thoughts, not the same person. God is Yahweh, the son of God is Yeshuah, Jesus Crhist.

reply to post by Human4life


Theres many "Jesus is God" threads on this forum... this is not the thread topic here though.

i was just answering a question to which no one replied

reply to post by Akragon


Ok...that was pointless. Should read the post I originally commented on before posting replies. It will say in response to post by so and so at top of post. You can click that and it will take you to the post I was commenting on.

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So Jesus was quoting a psalm is what you are implying? And not asking a question of his father?

Originally posted by FloatingGhost
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Ok...that was pointless. Should read the post I originally commented on before posting replies. It will say in response to post by so and so at top of post. You can click that and it will take you to the post I was commenting on.

Sadly i know of the person you were asking the question to... i know his beliefs. I would not have responded any differently having read his post you were questioning

Concerning OP has anyone ever read about the speculation that John the baptist may have been a member of the Essenes? Maybe even head of the sect? Interesting stuff. Dead sea scrolls very fascinating indeed. Makes you wonder what else we could find if allowed to search the holy land. Not saying we SHOULD be allowed to...just WISH we could.