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Originally posted by racasan
You seem determined to not responded about your argument from popularity or that people might consider it a veiled threat
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I know, it would be nice if the atheist and anti-Christian agenda wasn't taught in our schools and forced into our kid’s heads through the media. T
Could you give an example of this?
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I think I could make this list much longer but I think this is enough to make my point.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Since most Christians have not read the bible, and even less have a true understanding of science it is obvious that they will lose the debate. Most Christians debate purely on faith so it would be difficult for them to win a debate. I would consider myself above average in knowledge of TOE but only average in other sciences. So I myself could lose a debate in certain fields of science.
Oh this paragraph bears repeating to stand alone.
WHAT?????????
Where did I mention anything about science?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I think I could make this list much longer but I think this is enough to make my point.
Except that nothing in your examples amounts to atheistic beliefs.
Did you have a valid point you wanted to make? Do you have any comment on the actual topic?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I have provided solid logical evidence to the authenticity of Christ and the Bible. You choose not to accept that evidence.
Correct, because your evidence doesn't meet any reasonable or rational standard. It simply amounts to the fact that since you believe it, others should also. It has forced you into at least one delusion: that our finest scientific theory devised is untrue - simply for the reason that it refutes a claim in a book you admire.
I think this will make it the sixth request. Produce the deity you claim exists. I don't care what your book says. Demonstrate that a deity exists, not just assert it.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
In order to be an athiest you must believe in TOE, which also includes beleif in Age of earth and universe. If not than you believe in nothing.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
You can't believe in God because I cannot prove it but you believe in TOE without proof.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by sacgamer25
In order to be an athiest you must believe in TOE, which also includes beleif in Age of earth and universe. If not than you believe in nothing.
No, that is incorrect. Atheism has no requirement that anyone accept TOE. Additionally, TOE does not predict the ages of the universe or earth.
Sir, you need more education on TOE and atheism and likely a host of other topics. Please stick to the thread topic. This thread is not about your opinions on the accuracy of the bible nor the inaccuracies of TOE.
Did you have an opinion on the topic?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by sacgamer25
You can't believe in God because I cannot prove it but you believe in TOE without proof.
This thread is not about your opinions on the theory of evolution.
Did you have an opinion on the thread topic?
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I am a little hesitant because some of you will find this response less than politically correct.
TOE (unproven no matter what you think)
Age of the universe (unproven no matter what you think)
Age of the earth (unproven no matter what you think)
Sexual morality (you know premarital sex, glorified one-night-stand, living with partner pre marriage) This list could go on for a while but the media makes all of these things seem normal and ok.
Homosexuality (I do not judge others so please don’t judge me) Yes my daughters high school has a gay club, and a straight for gay rights club. Like it or not this is anti-Christian and even if it wasn’t I’m not sure how this belongs in the school.
New age thinking in the media (Anti-all pre existing religions)
Idol Worship (movie stars, athletes)
Money Worship (Material possessions)
Coveting (Commercials that make you feel less human if you’re not driving a fancy car)
I think I could make this list much longer but I think this is enough to make my point.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I think I could make this list much longer but I think this is enough to make my point.
Except that nothing in your examples amounts to atheistic beliefs.
Did you have a valid point you wanted to make? Do you have any comment on the actual topic?
In order to be an athiest you must believe in TOE, which also includes beleif in Age of earth and universe. If not than you believe in nothing.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I guess it is now time to dust off my feet and walk away from your replies.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I’m going to keep this short. I have read actually listened to on CD the entire bible.
I'll keep it short also. No matter how fervently you believe the bible it doesn't mean that the facts which contradict its claims are untrue. Keep in mind that if you remain consistent with your methodology you're going to be forced to claim that a number of other dozen scientific theories are false because they too refute claims in the bible.
For the third time, I am open to creationist hypothesis. You have to prove your case the same way everyone else does. 1. Produce the deity that does the creating. 2. Catch the deity in the act of creating that which you claim it creates. Until then, there's no reason for anyone to believe your claim, especially if it's just someone else's claim written in an old book.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Show me this real history you talk about. Show me the evidence. I have provided you 27 books and letters and several other sorces that talk about the history I know to be true. How many references do you have?
It is an accumulation of information I've read in my 60+ years of searching for god. End result Atheism because of real information - - not myths.
I do not do detailed links anymore. At 65 I am raising a 3 year old boy and an 11 preteen girl. Priorities.
But - - there is a good thread right here on ATS: 'Book of Revelation’ : A ‘Fake Prophecy' Sewn Together from Scraps of 'Old" Testament Writings ? - www.abovetopsecret.com...
Sigismundus - - seems to be quite knowledgeable.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by MarkJS
reply to post by Annee
You don't have to try to figure it out all by yourself.... You can ask Him about it. Did you?
Not interested.
I was raised Christian - - spent most of my life as a believer.
Been there - done that.edit on 3-10-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by zerimar65
As far as the honeydew thing, although there is no established proof that what the Bible says is true as far as when Jesus Christ returns, that's where faith comes in. If it is promised by God and Jesus Christ, it will happen and they will keep their word.
How do you know? As a believer, certain you have faith and you may believe such things because of it. But, what of non-believers? Why should they believe such a thing? How could you convince them that they should?
Originally posted by zerimar65
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by MarkJS
reply to post by Annee
You don't have to try to figure it out all by yourself.... You can ask Him about it. Did you?
Not interested.
I was raised Christian - - spent most of my life as a believer.
Been there - done that.
How is a person who was raised as a believer become a non-believer? Something had to make you change. I doubt that it was God or Jesus Christ that did it. I would guess it was another person who did, but God gets the blame. Just wondering.
Originally posted by zerimar65
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Show me this real history you talk about. Show me the evidence. I have provided you 27 books and letters and several other sorces that talk about the history I know to be true. How many references do you have?
It is an accumulation of information I've read in my 60+ years of searching for god. End result Atheism because of real information - - not myths.
I do not do detailed links anymore. At 65 I am raising a 3 year old boy and an 11 preteen girl. Priorities.
But - - there is a good thread right here on ATS: 'Book of Revelation’ : A ‘Fake Prophecy' Sewn Together from Scraps of 'Old" Testament Writings ? - www.abovetopsecret.com...
Sigismundus - - seems to be quite knowledgeable.
Well maybe you weren't searching hard enough or you really didn't want to find what you were seeking?
Originally posted by zerimar65
Doesn't that apply to the TOE too? Produce the missing link. Did the evolution of ape to man happen only once? Wouldn't there still be apes that are in transition? Where are the apes that are still evolving?