Brothers in the Shadows: Evidence that Secret Societies Manipulate World Affairs

This is a very interesting read. Dissecting the past can be tough.
I use a certain website to do some research on noteworthy people, its called NNDB.

This is the link to Rudolf Steiner bibliography used by NNDB, which might prove useful to you.

Best of fortune to you LiveForever8.

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Thanks for taking the time to do that

Thankfully there is a website dedicated to Steiner which includes just about everything he ever wrote or said, it's a vast archive indeed!

Rudolf Steiner Archive

I've spent a few days looking through it now and there are some incredible things to be found, this being just one of the things I've found already: Did Rudolf Steiner predict the USA PATRIOT Act......in 1916?

Thanks again.

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They are called the "Angelos," and their reptillian driven agenda is the destruction of human heterosexuality and anti-Ascension (socialism/communism).

They are depicted in this 1987 music video by Vanessa Paradis as shadowy saxophone players (Vanessa didn't know of the song or video's significance.) The video predicted the death of Diana and Dodi (the Mariachis) in Paris, 1997 and 9/11, which were both plotted by the Angelos.

Here's a link to the video:

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Among other things, notice in the video the yellow taxi super-imposed over the cobblestreet. This is a reference to the Yellow Brick Road. Yellow is the current phase we are at in the Ascension process. This is also the name of an Elton John album featuring Candle in the Wind, which was sung at Diana's funeral.

Be careful. Angelos are dark swines - they have started World Wars, as you know, and that intransigent scum haven't finished agitating chaos, yet. It will be safer not to even acknowledge my post.

But don't worry, it might not be long now before they are removed from circulation permanently.

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I am reading this intresting book .2 statments that poped out ... (1) That the World Government really does function .
(2) That the Second World War is being staged . I am finding a vast amount of refrences in this work .. The Unrevealed in History
100 Historical ,-Mysteries" Explained Maj.-Gen., Count Cherep-Spiridovich www.resist.com...

Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich wiki page en.wikipedia.org...

Note: Arthur Cherep Spiridovitch (also spelled as "Spiridovich" in various news articles) died on October 22, 1926 at age 75. He was found dead in his hotel room at Barrett Manor, Arrochar, on Staten Island. His death was believed to be a suicide. He died on the eve of a convention he had planned for uniting the Slav nations. The New York Times on October 23, 1926 reported, "Count Cherep-Spiridovich was a strange figure who spent considerable time traveling between Europe and America on his self-appointed misson of uniting the 200,000,000 Slaves into one organization." The Count had sent out thousands of circulars request money for membership in his organization and he had the ability to garner press attention with such activities as awarding President Theodore Roosevelt a silver cup in 1907 for his role in ending the Russo-Japanese War. According to the same New York Times article of October 23, 1926, "St. Petersburg said that while the Count was of a good family he had been made a noble by the Vatican, not by Russia" and that "his title of Count had never been recognized in Russia."

In a series of articles over the next week The New York Times continued to probe into the life of Count Cherep-Spiridovich. The newspaper reported that the Count had left no property other than bundles of newspaper clippings about himself. According to an adopted son, Howard Victor von Broens-Trupp, the Count died penniless and the burial expenses were defrayed by charity. Police believed the Count's suicide was brought on by his poverty and the failure of his plan to unite the Slavs in the United States and Europe into one republic.

Two letters from "Tcherep-Spiridovitch" to Mark Twain survive in the Mark Twain Papers at the University of California at Berkeley. The first is dated February 7, 1907 and the second is dated March 27, 1907. No letters from Twain to Spiridovitch are known to survive. It is unknown what opinon Twain held of Spiridovitch or whether or he saw in him similarities to his old acquaintance Emperor Norton of San Francisco.
- Barbara Schmidt www.twainquotes.com...

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Do we know why there's gravity? Do we know how quantum physics work? These are occult. By the very definition list you provided, "Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable." We have theories; we can conduct tests; but we haven't figured it all out yet.

Yet again you miss the point. These things are not beyond the realm of human comprehension, they are however beyond the realm of human expression. They are, we just can't yet explain how or why they are. That is not occult knowledge, it is not hidden from us, not now anyway. Such topics can be freely discussed, openly, no hiding of knowledge, and therefore not occult practice. Or are you implying that 'our creator' has hidden such knowledge and only the initiated may see it?

Originally posted by JoshNorton
And it's not just microcosmic and macrocosmic physics that we don't fully grok yet, either... there's a lot about life that we don't have answers for. What is an individual's role in the "big picture" if anything? Well that's certainly beyond the realm of human comprehension. Does that mean we shouldn't spend time trying to think about it though?

Yes, in the past, belief systems have served to 'explain', however, belief and occultism is not the same thing. Occult requires something to be hidden. Beliefs give context to life, occultism creates meaning through obfuscation.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Just because you see something every day, does that mean you really know how it works? Would you be able to take it apart and put it back together so it would still function properly? (and this goes for mechanical, electrical or biological...)

See above response...

Originally posted by JoshNorton
A neurosurgeon understands a lot more about the brain than you do. Is he hiding that knowledge from you? Or is it something you could learn yourself if you took the effort to study it? Certainly the activity of neurons is hidden from general perception, yes?

If I am truly interested in neurosurgery, I can go to university and then train to become a neurosurgeon. In theory. This is not information that is hidden from me.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
And yes, esoteric means that it's of interest to, or studied by, small groups. Do I know which Dave Matthews concerts had which guest musicians? No, but a die-hard DMB fan could probably rattle that off without any problem, and suggest which bootleg was the cleanest recording of that particular show. Did he hide that knowledge from you? Was there any hand waving? No. But he had a specialized interest along with his fellow die-hard fans, and thus possessed his own jargon, his own criteria for what made a good show or a good bootleg, etc.

Precisely, if I wanted to find out I can. It is NOT hidden, it is merely not of interest to me. Therefore not even remotely in context with the subject that we are discussing. Not hidden, therefore not occult knowledge.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Is it esoteric that Eskimos might have 31 words for "snow"? Or as something they have to deal with a lot, does it actually make sense that it would be something important to them and thus worth their time to differentiate?

There are not 31 words for snow, there are 31 different ways to describe snow, that is because there are, to the Eskimos, 31 seperate states of snow. How is any of this even remotely relevent to the occult?

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Yes, the mystery schools, the occult, the esoteric are all hidden from you. That is not by active intent. It's simply because you have not chosen to pursue that field of study.

Nothing is hidden from me in the respect that you are implying. In this time and place all available knowledge on the esoteric and the mystery schools are freely within my grasp. The esoteric is, largely exoteric, to a point. The Mystery Schools, are no mystery to me. I know what has been hidden from others, in the past, currently. I know that that 'hiding' was a conscious effort to exploit others, at times, at others to draw them together for a common goal, but still, it required information, knowledge, to be hidden, actively, by one group, from another group. This is occult practice.

I think your using "occult" when "esoteric" would be more correct for your intentions.

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I guess the question should come up.... .....was Rudolf Steiner some kind of prophet??? or was he privy to secret information and he took that information and deducted the right equation in terms of the most obvious path this information would partake and hence he simply did the math right???

The fact even some of his info came true shows this man knew something and shouldn't be ignored and that's the most important fact right now.


I too think there is a group of people within the hidden context of power manipulating events in there favor no mater the cost, i think if you add up all the clues from the people who have spoken about such a conspiracy and assume that together they got it about 50 percent right...then and only then can you start to subtext the facts from the B.S and will be closer to the truth then before...

I think for the one poster in this thread who said i can believe this stuff more then the Bilderberg "crap" misses the point and that point is simple, when the math is added up they all can be connected to some degree

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Well, I don't believe in prophets, at least not in any supernatural sense, but it's not a stretch to believe that he was privy to some information that, using his intelligence and wisdom, he used to come to certain conclusions. Conclusions that, when we look at in hindsight, are quite incredible.

There certainly are some who believe him to be a prophet. After all, he was the founder of a philosophy (Anthroposophy) that could almost be compared to a religion or cult.

I've been looking into his lectures and some of the things he hints at (or seems to hint at) are incredible.

More to come.

I didnt know any of this about Steiner!

I just assumed he was some kind of a hippy from Germany because where I live there are quite a few Steiner schools and all the hippies send their kids there where they spend alot of time singing and dancing and not learning...though my boyfriend went to the first Steiner school in Australia and he reads and writes just fine

Interesting thread OP, I clicked on it because I saw your name and I always enjoy your posts

can i just say what a fantastic and awesome post this was. im going to have to spend the rest of my free time doing some research on Steiner and all things esoteric.

As for the OP i agree that there are secret meetings that decide the fate of man well anglo saxon man. but judging by the state of the western world i dare say they dropped the ball and gave in to temptation. OR this current trend in world politics and economics is leading the way for a communist world government.

Its going to be an interesting future for us all.

Originally posted by LiveForever8
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That would be great.

If you could have a look at some of the sources I posted, especially Karl Heise's book, then that would be great. Even a quick scan of the contents page might reveal something interesting.

Cheers.

sorry couldnt reply earlier, i didnt had a proper inet connection.

the content page says:

foreword to the first, second and third edition.
secret geographic map of the secret circles of the english speaking world.
geographic map: how we see germany and german-austria [federation] today.
opening words (history of the freemasory) ... 1
overview ... 10
from the political activity of the freemasory-union ... 21
the most important goal of the freemanson-union ... 35
nears of the "wounding" of the belgian "neutrality" [bit hard to understand] ... 54
england the leading freemason power ... 59
the original sin of the original freemasonry ... 66
the execution of the nationality principes ... 69
serbia ... 74
russia ... 92
england ... 109
the jewish natioal-state ... 122
armenia ... 132
the west german ... 136
peace conditions for germany ... 143
the ghost of the old slavics ... 154
italy ... 179
france ...210
the republic of rhein ... 224
portugal and spain ... 231
greece ... 241
romania ... 245
bulgaria ... 250
poland ... 252
the ceko-slovakia ... 258
peace conditions for austria ... 269
united states of north america ... 274
the english [lodgepress? logen also means lying/lie] in america ... 308
canada ... 310
liberia? - brazil ... 312
uruguay - cuba ... 314
guatemala, bolivia [in german should be "bolivien"], honduras nicaragua, haiti, san domingo, puerto rico, peru, equador, costa rica ... 315
argentina and colombia ... 317
china ... 319
japan - siam [siam is in south-east asia] ... 320
egypt, syria, arabia ... 321
algeria and tunisia ... 322
persia - swiss ... 324
world-democracy ... 336
connection between occultism and freemasonry ... 356
about the composition of the high degree masonry ... 387
name and index ... 395
what the critics says about the book (first edition) ... 405

might not be all that accurate. thus i only spent 4 years in germany as a kid

hopefully can help jump something new from ur mind... cheers.

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Thanks for that, muchos appreciated

After seeing the contents I wish I could speak German! Some of the headings look very interesting. If only there was an English translated version online somewhere.

Oh well, looks like another night spent in with Google translate.

I know, what a life I lead

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Yeah, it's all new to me too. His schools seem to get a lot of stick although I haven't properly looked into their teaching methods so I couldn't really comment. But they aeem to be still going strong after decades so they must be doing something right.

There's plenty more to come regarding Steiner, I'm just trying to work out which angle to take.

Thanks for the reply

The series of lectures about the build up to ww 1 are collected in "The Karma of Untruthfulness", a great read. My impression was that Steiner did have inside knowledge, but was connecting dots, the way modern conspiracy theorists do, like we do...he knew a lot about how the media was manipulated and what messages were being sent to the public for what end...and most stunningly, he asserts that one sentence from one individual would have prevented the war from happening.

I won't ruin it for you. You will see how things never really change. Everyone is being duped all the time vis a vis the world stage. England's rationale about saving poor Belgium from harm was seen through by lots of people, the way many could see through the GHW Bush attacking Saddam on behalf of poor Kuwait. Nothing has changed. To me he seemed like a very astute thinker and certainly mystical, in a positive and constructive way. He is offering the alternative to the history books. Imagine well researched books from our time being rediscovered 100 years from now that conflict and outright contradict established history. and there you have it! Anyone interested in the history of ww1 would enjoy the" Karma of Untruthfulness".

Steiner was smart and well informed and I dare say powerful, but seems to have left a more positive legacy than his powerful contemporaries. I'd like to read more of his stuff but it's somewhat hard to get a hold of. In book form

Here is the plan.

At least what I think may be the plan.
It was first posted in this thread
The Global Banking System: Descensus in Cuniculi Cavum
www.abovetopsecret.com...
flags: 220
Stars: 148

and lists a 25 point plan laid out by a banker in 1773.

Here is each item of the plan listed with what I could find in a quick search of the points.

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The Global Banking System: Descensus in Cuniculi Cavum
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If we use ten years to acomplish each of the 25 points of this plan then we are currently at point 24.8, which means it's almost done.

24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.

Which means we should be drowning in people who have little to no education in critical thinking and what constitutes evidence.



1773-1783 (1). Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.

1773-1774 France, Jacobins, Reign of Terror

1783-1793 (2). Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power.

1783 with the Treaty of Paris, in which the British recognized American independence.
The American Revolution (1776-1783) further contributed to the definition of liberalism.

1793-1803 (3). Initiate class warfare.

The Bristol Bridge Riot of 30 September 1793 began as a protest at renewal of an act levying of tolls on Bristol Bridge, which included the proposal to demolish several houses near the bridge in order to create a new access road, and controversy about the date for removal of gates. 11 people were killed and 45 injured, making it one of the worst massacres of the 18th century.

1803-1813 (4). Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.

Bailyn asserts it simply represented a contradiction with [color=gold] Jefferson, that he was “simultaneously a radical utopian idealist and a hardheaded, adroit, at times [color=gold] cunning politician.

1813-1823 (5). Dismantle “existing forces of order and regulation.” Reconstruct all existing institutions.”

East India Company Act 1813 (Charter Act)
asserted the sovereignty of the British Crown over the Indian territories held by the Company;
required the company to maintain separate and distinct its commercial and territorial accounts

1823-1833 (6). Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.

The greatest fossil hunter ever known was a woman from Lyme Regis named Mary Anning.
Her work contributed to the fundamental changes in scientific thinking about prehistoric life and the history of the earth that occurred in the early 19th century.

1833-1843 (7). Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.”

Democratic Propaganda: by Auguste Blanqui 1833
marxists.org...

1843-1853 (8). Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by “agenteurs” to corrupt the youth.

"The News of the World", first published on 1 October 1843, by John Browne Bell in London. Priced at just three pence (equal to £1.04 today), even before the repeal of the Stamp Act or paper duty, it was the cheapest newspaper of its time and was aimed directly at the newly literate working classes. It quickly established itself as a purveyor of titillation, shock and criminal news. Much of the source material came from coverage of vice prosecutions, including transcripts of police descriptions of alleged brothels, streetwalkers, and "immoral" women.

1853-1863 (9). Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.

1853, the state legislature used the power of eminent domain to seize the space necessary for Central Park
Exercise of eminent domain powers by privately owned railroads

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The Global Banking System: Descensus in Cuniculi Cavum
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1863-1873 (10). Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.

Lee surrendered his Army of Northern Virginia on April 9, 1865, at the McLean House in the village of Appomattox Court House. In an untraditional gesture and as a sign of Grant's respect and anticipation of peacefully restoring Confederate states to the Union, Lee was permitted to keep his sword and his horse, "Traveller".

1873-1883 (11). Choose candidates for public office who will be “servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game.”

4,036,572 votes Rutherford B. Hayes he lost popular vote (electoral 185)
4,284,020 votes Samuel J. Tiden, won popular (electoral 184 lost the election)

1883-1893 (12). Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.

In 1883, Pulitzer, by then a wealthy man, purchased the New York World

1893-1903 (13). Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.

Yellow Journalism
Yellow Ink. In 1893 Publisher installed color pressed to print the Sunday supplements, and Goddard used them to expand the comics section.
He not only embellished facts but virtually created the pseudo science articles featured in later tabloids, thus increasing the popularity of the Sunday World.

1903-1913 (14). Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.

The Panic of 1903 reached its nadir — the Dow dropped to a paltry 42.15 as the stocks of industrial companies plunged to single-digit lows.
Also known as the “Rich Man’s Panic,” the fiscal crisis dragged on for the rest of the year, taking a severe toll on banks, as well as many steel and iron producers.

1913-1923 (15). Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).

1913 Federal Reserve Act: A list of advisors to President Wilson (Mason) in favor of the act
Carter Glass (33'rd degree) congresman (later became Secretary of the Treasury)
William Gibbs McAdoo (32'nd degree) Secretary of Treasury

1923-1933 (16). When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.

On November 8, 1923 Adolph Hitler led his Nazi followers in an abortive attempt to seize power in Munich in what became known as the "Beer Hall Putsch".

1933-1943 (17). Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. “The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence.”

1933 Franklin D. Roosevelt, The New Deal

1943-1953 (18). A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.

The Holocaust
Pulicizing the same through Nuremberg trials

1953-1963 (19). Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing “the secret power behind national and international affairs.”

After authorizing $385 million over the $400 million already budgeted for military aid to Vietnam, U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower warns against United States intervention in Vietnam.

1963-1973 (20). Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash.”

George Harrison of the Beatles Playing Monopoly While on Tour in the USA September 1964
General Electric
AT&T
In the period 1964–66 alone, in connection with the American aggression in Vietnam, the gross profits of the US aerospace monopolies increased 1½ times, amounting to nearly $2 billion.
1964 Esso advertizing campaign "Put a tiger in your tank" Esso later becomes Exxon.
Lyndon B. Johnson succeeded to the presidency following the assassination of John F. Kennedy, completed Kennedy's term and was elected President in his own right, winning by a large margin in the 1964 Presidential election.

1973-1983 (21). Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.

1974 Economic recession
Nixon opens China 72, then Resigns 74
Despite the failure to control inflation, controls were slowly ended, and on April 30, 1974, their statutory authorization lapsed.

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1983-1993 (22). “Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest.”

The Forbes 400 or 400 Richest Americans (first published in 1982)
Publishers at the top This year's "Forbes 400," like last year's, give us some fascinating insights into some of the country's wealthiest families--including a good number whose fortunes have come from publishing activities. In fact, publishing continues to rank third as the source of "400" family income, following oil and real estate.

1993-2003 (23). Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
2003-2013 (24). Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
2013-2023 (25). Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.”


Some of this still needs some work.

David Grouchy

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So the end game for the whole plan is that
we get to use arbirtration,
but our rulers get to use Law.


David Grouchy

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
So the end game for the whole plan is that
we get to use arbirtration,
but our rulers get to use Law.

David Grouchy

edit on 29-11-2011 by davidgrouchy because: (no reason given)

Rulers can be broken.