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Originally posted by mescalito83
reply to post by korathin
I'm sorry, but if I'm responsible enough to stick my dick in something, then I better be ready to pay for the consequences. Kids cost money and I will take responsibility for mine whether or not I'm the custodial parent. Deadbeat parents are a huge cause to many of the problems with the world and you are making excuses for them. I get what I deserve, respect from my children because I care for them.
Take the "unfounded" accusations with a grain of salt. Go ahead and turn a blind eye so that you can continue propagating your war against the man. I didn't advocate the system. I advocated grown ups taking responsibility for their grown up decisions. If they can't do that, why in the hell should I feel sorry for them when their mistakes catch up with them. This guy was a fool and a coward that played a part that makes people like you get sweaty and excited.
Originally posted by mescalito83
reply to post by korathin
Deadbeat parents are a huge cause to many of the problems with the world and you are making excuses for them.
Originally posted by andrewh7
Originally posted by boondock-saint
Originally posted by Naptown317
Idiot leaves children fatherless should be the title op.
No, the title should read:
State Laws leave children fatherless
The state law didn't require the guy be burned alive so no. Setting yourself on fire for 2-3 grand? Really?
Originally posted by LHP666
reply to post by civilchallenger
NEVER GET MARRIED!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a bad deal for men. There is nothing positive to it. It's all risk, no benefit.edit on 18-6-2011 by LHP666 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by factbandit
reply to post by civilchallenger
This post is absolute BS!!!! Your post does not mention what State this gentleman was in, however, it would be great to know.
Let me start by saying this individual should have sought the mental health services as instructed by the court regardless of who this establishment may have treated in the past. He needed it! He burned himself to death over $2,000 to $3,000, and left his children not only fatherless, but now to be taken care of by the American tax payers via his social security benefits.
The system may not be perfect, but fathers have a responsibility to monetarily take care of their children, as well as provide insurance for their healthcare. As an attorney, I am certain that had this individual shown the Court that in ten years of paying this is all he owed (which I believe to be untrue in light of the fact it is stated that the attorney for the wife had summoned toddlers).
All Mr. Ball needed to do was show up for Court, tell the Judge that he was looking for work, at the very worse the Judge would have given him a date by which to have a job and begin payments (in a new amount to make up for the arrearage), or at the very worse he would have gotten 30 days in jail, to teach him a lesson, should it appear to the Court that Mr. Ball was not attempting to make any payments. Judges are human beings too and if the case was as Mr. Thomas Ball has indicated - death would never have been an option in the first place!
This gentleman, Thomas Ball, was mentally ill, needed counseling which he was directed to receive and he himself choose not to get it. Instead he thought he would leave his children for the rest of us to take care of and make his wife look bad, or feel bad.
Fortunately, Thomas Ball has done this to himself, and now his children can go on living safely. This could have turned out much worse, and he could have killed the children too! Thank God he didn't do that! I feel sure that his children and ex-wife will have no feelings of guilt, as they personally know this man, their father and ex-husband, and know the extent of the mental issues he was troubled with!
Once again another father only thinking of himself and not his children! SHAMEFUL
Originally posted by mescalito83
reply to post by civilchallenger
Just want to make sure I understand this. This guy hits his kid, gets a divorce, has a financial responsibility to his children that he didn't feel like upholding
, kills himself because he is too much of a chickensh-- to deal with his mistakes....
and you act like he is some sort of hero? This guy deserved to be in jail for hitting the kid. It's his responsibility to pay for them and I hope the sob had to pay a ridiculous amount. He deserved to suffer in life, since he felt it was his place to make his children suffer. You are twisted for thinking he is some sort of saint.
The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the
government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on
the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their
credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of
circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption.
This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect
contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a
contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have
any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and
discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments.
The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born
lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an
execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic,
simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels
of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt
with a debt. What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to
pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is
discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged
dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt
exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in
possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so
we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary
can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel
that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not
true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the
people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask
yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay?
Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on
top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and
so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the
more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all
that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and
after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the
payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the
charge.
Originally posted by indigothefish
reply to post by civilchallenger
june 11th 1963 Thích Quảng Đức burned himself in protest of the prosecution of buddhists
the dates are close, possibly even closer if you knew how to count the moon in ... coincidence?
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Originally posted by boniknik
Even if he did not kill himself, his children would still be FATHERLESS because they are going to send him to jail.
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
Originally posted by LHP666
reply to post by civilchallenger
NEVER GET MARRIED!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a bad deal for men. There is nothing positive to it. It's all risk, no benefit.edit on 18-6-2011 by LHP666 because: (no reason given)
Ditto that, marriage is a joke, and it is one of the ways they can trap you into there system of dept, and make money off you, a female is most time a willing participant fully knowledgeable of what will happen, and others a ignorant participant in how things will end or there real life consequences.
The system is set up like this on purpose, it did not just happen to be like this one day it did not happen magically or by accident. Everybody has to be aware of the ways they try to trap you and control you. If you are not going to take things personally and grab control then someone else will, such as the system and tptb. Remember kids believe of nothing that you hear and only half of what you see, especially when it comes to females or the system or tptb, man is that ever a trap just waiting to happen to any unsuspecting dude.
Ain't nothing like a bad relationship /pairing to create a sort of hell on earth for those involved in it. So its not usually smart to rush head first into it.