Russian Foreign Ministry calls U.S. warship in Black Sea "Security Threat"

Russian Foreign Ministry calls U.S. warship in Black Sea "Security Threat"

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Russia’s Foreign Ministry has voiced serious concerns about a US warship now coming close to its shores in the Black Sea, while the US regards it as an integral part of its plans to create a missile shield in Europe, which Russia opposes.

"Surprises, already emerging at the first stage in the implementation of the American 'adaptive approach' points to a high level of strategic uncertainty, which the American missile defense system is creating," the Foreign Ministry said. "Still, more justifiable is the question about how reliable the verbal assurances are that it is not targeted aga

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Prelude to War?

Russia, of course borders the Black Sea right next to Ukraine., and the area has long been considered something like "Russia's area".

I have noticed slow (re)collision of Russian interests and U.S. ones as seen here:

Why Russia will back Syria if there is U.N. Military action

and here:

US is building 13 secret bases in Afghanistan for war against Russia

Russia has been demanding to know it's role in the Europe missile shield, but have been mostly ignored. Russia is not as shy (politically or militarily) as China, which the U.S. basically displaced in Libya. Will they back up there words with naval movement of their own?

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Well Russia has no problem running sub drills off our coast or do they not think that is the same since this U.S. ship is not carrying nukes like the Russian subs are. I guess Russia really plans on nuking Israel or they wouldn't be pitching a fit because the ballistic defense missiles from this one ship in the Black sea wont stop them from sending a nuke at us in the U.S. or even Europe for that matter.

They are interceptors Vlad not chasers.

Are the Russians so weak that they are afraid of one American surface warship? Wow!!!

Originally posted by deltaboy
Are the Russians so weak that they are afraid of one American surface warship? Wow!!!

I think its a lot more than that one little ship the lines are being drawn and redrawn daily now WW3 is all but official. But nvm you just keep drinking the official kool aid.

reply to post by deltaboy


It always starts as "one little ship"

Remember it was:
"Just a no Fly zone"
"Just to remove Saddam"
"Just to find Osama Bin Laden"
"Just 1:2 fractional reserve banking"
"Just 1% income tax"

Either an agreement is abided by or it is not. There are very, very few exceptions.

Originally posted by UcDat

Originally posted by deltaboy
Are the Russians so weak that they are afraid of one American surface warship? Wow!!!

I think its a lot more than that one little ship the lines are being drawn and redrawn daily now WW3 is all but official. But nvm you just keep drinking the official kool aid.

ww3 will never happen. The world is far to globalized for it to be in anyone's interest. Any country contemplating going to all out war knows they stand far more to lose than they'd ever gain. This is simple postureing by Russia as they always do and we always do.

America has a history of treating Russia like an unwanted stepchild and they are probably fed up with it the same way Kruschev was when he slammed Kennedy for being an idiot. Keep pushing Russia to the wall and ignoring her and she'll push back.

reply to post by kro32


I do hope your right but I have no doubt WW3 is a very real possibility and sooner than latter

Originally posted by UcDat
reply to post by kro32

 

I do hope your right but I have no doubt WW3 is a very real possibility and sooner than latter

Who's gonna fight who and over what? The only thing I could ever see happening that would lead to a world war would be China's need for oil and that huge oil reserve located just across the border in Russia. However given what China would stand to lose by doing that I see them exhausting every other avenue before they did that.

reply to post by Skerrako


RT is not exactly the most reliable source when it comes to factual information, although they are better than PressTV, but not by much.

Secondly since the collapse of the Soviet Union they can no longer claim the entire Black Sea as their area. In addition to Turkey you have Ukraine, Georgia, Romania, Bulgaria. Russian territory only border the north east section of the black sea now.

Russia is the one who decided to start flying their bomber flight missions again, violating airspace of Canada, UK and several other European countries as a show of force. Russia is the one who is talking about the former glory days as the Soviet Union and the cold war, not the US.

Turn around is fair play.

reply to post by Skerrako


Except for the fact the US warship has not violated Russian territory. The US has confined its movement to the respective countries we are dealing with.

As another poster pointed out, if the Russians dont want us in the area, then they should run their sub drills somewhere else. In addition to my own comments about the resumption of flights by Russian bombers that routuinely violate the air space of allied countries as a show of force that hearkens back to the haydays of the Cold War.

Originally posted by Skerrako
]Russia’s Foreign Ministry has voiced serious concerns about a US warship now coming close to its shores in the Black Sea,

Nothing new about it, they have been doing it for a while

turkishnavy.blogspot.com...

reply to post by Xcathdra


Ah back for another dose of truth Xcathdra, and I'll gladly help you.

RT is not exactly the most reliable source when it comes to factual information, although they are better than PressTV, but not by much.

I have found RT to be not only relaible, but report the facts more clearly than many western outlets. Yes, it does have somewhat of a bais, but not near as much as "news" stations like FOX, NBC,CNN ect. I think they do a great job as an independent news network.

Secondly since the collapse of the Soviet Union they can no longer claim the entire Black Sea as their area. In addition to Turkey you have Ukraine, Georgia, Romania, Bulgaria. Russian territory only border the north east section of the black sea now.

They do not claim the entire Black Sea, and no one said that please read the links and my comments carefully. They are saying this:

“Russia is not against American presence in this maneuvering but it is absolutely clear that with such kind of weaponry -- anti-rocket systems -- which is unique on American vessels, it is considered as a violation of all Russian-American agreements”, Matuzov told Press TV's U.S. Desk on Sunday.

Since RT isn't good enough here is another LINK

Russia is the one who decided to start flying their bomber flight missions again, violating airspace of Canada, UK and several other European countries as a show of force. Russia is the one who is talking about the former glory days as the Soviet Union and the cold war, not the US.

Link Please?

Except for the fact the US warship has not violated Russian territory.

I never said it did. (See above quote by Russian Foreign ministry)

As another poster pointed out, if the Russians dont want us in the area, then they should run their sub drills somewhere else.

Dozens countries conduct subs drill in the Ocean, they are international waters and not violating any agreements. Russia is claiming that the U.S. broke former cold war agreements. It is much more akin to Russia, Cuba and Venezuela having war games in the Gulf of Mexico

reply to post by spoor


If you actually read the link and listen to the story, they acknowledge that smaller craft have been there before, but the U.S.S. Monterey is a guided missile cruiser, much more powerful than a frigate, and carries munitions that are unique to the U.S., unlike previous ships

The ship that was there is 2009:

The guided missile frigates (FFG) bring an anti-air warfare (AAW) capability to the frigate mission, but they have some limitations. Designed as cost efficient surface combatants, they lack the multi-mission capability necessary for modern surface combatants faced with multiple, high-technology threats. They also offer limited capacity for growth.

Cruiser that is there now:

She takes her place in the coordinated Battle Group utilizing her AEGIS Weapons System, SPY-1B radar, SM-2 surface-to-air guided missiles, and SQQ-89 USW suite in defense of the Battle Group against hostile aircraft, cruise missiles, and submarines. MONTEREY has been designed and built to fight in a multi-threat environment, and possesses an new long range strike capability in her Tomahawk and Harpoon cruise missiles. She also supports two LAMPS MK III Helicopters.

reply to post by Skerrako


Anti missile technology is not a violation of any agreements between the Us and Russia. The last treaty in place that prohibited that technology was the ABM treaty, and the US withdrew from it.

The Russians have had issues with claiming the entire black sea as being off limits to American military vessels, and aside form their latest complaint, they took very strong objection to the US assisting Georgia prior to the Russian/Georgian war.

RT is a suspect news source, as they report on facts that only support the story they are trying to spin, and is akin to PressTV out of Iran. With the current Russian leadership jailing journalists and shutting down any news paper / outlet that does not agree with the current government, there news reporting is suspect.

Sorry you cant see that or comprehend that.

Canadian Jets intercept Russain Bombers
Canadian Jets intercept Russian Bombers on eve of Obama visit
Canadian jets repel Russin TU-95 bomber incursion
Russian bombers violate British Airspace
Russian Bombers intercepted close to American military vessels
Russian Bombers violate NATO airspace (UK and Norway)
Russian Bombers violate UK (Scottish) airspace
British, Danish and German airforces intercept Russian Bombers in the NOrth Sea
2 Russian strategic bombers violate Guam airspace, forcing us jets to scramble and intercept
Russian bombers intercepted by Japanese airforce

To name just a few times going back to 2004.....



Please show which "agrrements" the Russians are claiming the Us has violated? As already stated, the Us withdrew from the ABM treaty, and as such we are free to pursue anti missile technology.

reply to post by Xcathdra


The US has been turning ex-Soviet Bloc countries into pro-West dictatorships before the Russians beefed up arctic patrols.

What of the Colour Revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia, Kyrgystan that the West touted as democracy? It has lead to a lot of hatred from the local populations while these Western-backed governments support Pentagon plans to build anti-ballistic missile shields all around Russia.

And for Russian bombers penetrating my country's terrority: they aren't armed for bombing missions, nor are they equipped with nuclear weapons because nuclear bombers has been obsolete technology ever since ICBMs were deployed. Most of these Bears are patrol craft, and the Backfires/Blackjacks are testing out experimental technology (one Russian general even claimed that they had stealth Blackjacks cruising through NORAD airspace without incident).

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


So a violation of soveriegn territory is ok when its assumed the aircraft doing the violation is not armed? That may be ok to you, but its not with me, so I support my country intercepting those bombers as a counter show of force.

As far as what countries are pro western and which ones arent, I guess the only answer I have is care check on aisle 2. These countries can decide who they want to be friends with and who they dont want to deal with. Of course its in our intrest to gain new friends, which means new markets and new reousrces that might not have been available prior.

Just as the west jockeys for position with these countries, so is Russia, and China and India and Iran etc etc etc. To just assume the west is the only team playing in the ball game is a very naive view. Russia is looking to restablish itself as a world power, and china is knocking on that same door as we speak.

I always find it funny when people use diplomacy as an excuse to dislike the west. How come you dont go after the countries themselves who decide they want closer ties to the west? Why just go after the US / WEST?

Have you ever thought that the former East block nations may want to try the West lifestyle out for a change? I mean after all all those years of being under the East Block Iron curtain and domination form Moscow might make them more intrested in what the West has to offer than a return to the status quo under the East?

People argue the countries who fell under American / West influnce during the cold war had it bad. I would imagine those countries who fell under Soviet / East influence during the cold war had it even worse.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

So a violation of soveriegn territory is ok when its assumed the aircraft doing the violation is not armed? That may be ok to you, but its not with me, so I support my country intercepting those bombers as a counter show of force.

First off, we already intercept them and that is that. The Russians get their flight experience and NORAD pilots get paid for doing their job.

If NORAD shoots down a Russian plane, then you should expect the loss of an American carrier (or something of equal measure).

As far as what countries are pro western and which ones arent, I guess the only answer I have is care check on aisle 2. These countries can decide who they want to be friends with and who they dont want to deal with. Of course its in our intrest to gain new friends, which means new markets and new reousrces that might not have been available prior.

CIA operations to incite civil conflict and regime change is not limited to the Middle East (as we see with Syria, Iran, Libya, etc). American assets have been manipulating countries around Russia because the US wants to back Russia into a corner. Russia knows this.

Just as the west jockeys for position with these countries, so is Russia, and China and India and Iran etc etc etc. To just assume the west is the only team playing in the ball game is a very naive view. Russia is looking to restablish itself as a world power, and china is knocking on that same door as we speak.

The ex-Soviet bloc nations are still in Russia's neighborhood. The only reason why the US is involving themselves there is to surround Russia.

Here's an image demonstrating what I mean (wish it was bigger):

I always find it funny when people use diplomacy as an excuse to dislike the west. How come you dont go after the countries themselves who decide they want closer ties to the west? Why just go after the US / WEST?

What countries activity try to involve themselves with the US?

When I say countries, I mean their populations, culture, strategic values, and geopolitical opinions. The only countries who seek closer ties to the US usually have Western-backed dictatorships or rebellions, corporate-owned governments, or extreme poverty where the IMF promises to solve their problems by lending them money but repayment is to sell off your assets to Western corporations.

Have you ever thought that the former East block nations may want to try the West lifestyle out for a change?

Perhaps they want to try it out as much as Western countries want to try out Eastern lifestyles.

What you're saying is the typical mainstream line of thinking: Screw their culture, history, tradition, and land. Their economic elite are inviting us in so they can make more money, and we can too. Of course they all want McDonalds and mindless TV shows while we set up bases and missile sites

I mean after all all those years of being under the East Block Iron curtain and domination form Moscow might make them more intrested in what the West has to offer than a return to the status quo under the East?

"Status quo from the East"?

You talk as if modern Russia is still Soviet. Modern Russia is a very powerful socialist country with a strong resource-based economy (with capitalist values).

Oh, and did I mention that the US is failing big time and will soon hit a crushing wall while countries like Russia, China and India will try to fill in the void left behind?

People argue the countries who fell under American / West influnce during the cold war had it bad. I would imagine those countries who fell under Soviet / East influence during the cold war had it even worse.

Well gee, let's look at all of South America. Nationalism and socialism was popular down there (don't confuse socialism and nationalism with Nazis). Unfortunately, nationalization of South American resources was somehow a threat to the US, so the CIA forced in many brutal dictatorships that slaughtered an estimated 5 million people around the world (including East Timor, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Vietnam, Angolia, most of South America, the middle east).

The Soviets only tried to invade one country, and that was Afghanistan. The supported North Vietnam and Cuba. They also had lots of KGB agents running around the world, trying to spread Soviet power. However, I don't recall the Soviets ever enforcing regime change for economic gain (aside from Afghanistan, where Spetsnaz assassinated the government previous to the occupation).

I mean, there's just so many things that the US did and is still doing to screw nations into submission that it is almost overwhelming to comprehend it all. This includes bombing infrastructure and destroying 95% of forests in Vietnam/Cambodia with chemical weapons, to trying to crush Mexican farmers via NAFTA by allowing transnational corporations to take over their land AND pushing genetically-modified corn into these regions, to invading countries because they have their own central banks, to owning South American governments just to control their water supplies (look up how many hundreds of thousands of acres of land containing fresh water that the Bush family owns down there). The list just goes on and on.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Uhm.... riiiight.

So your answer is:
US evil no matter what
Russia good no matter what

while ignoring the points I made by obfuscating around them in an effort to complain about something not relevant to the topic.

ok.

Originally posted by deltaboy
Are the Russians so weak that they are afraid of one American surface warship? Wow!!!

Because obviously you Americans wouldn't give a damn if a Russian war ship came near your coast eh?

Or does your logic think that Russians are incapable of concern or indeed a defined interest in your suspicious activities?