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Originally posted by centurion1211
And related to my NY Times Thread, here is one from the Washington Post - another usually staunch obama supporter.
What is going on here as MSM outlet after MSM outlet that once could find no wrong with anything obama said or did, now coming down very hard on obama for a variety of reasons.
Ellison and the progressives probably would have a better chance of influencing the weather than they would passing their budget, which they are floating as an alternative to the House Republican bid and President Obama’s plan.
Among the highlights: A $4 trillion tax increase over 10 years. An increase in the top tax rate to 49 percent. A $2.3 trillion cut in defense spending – and an increase in domestic spending. Oh, and they would revive the “public option” to offer government-run health care.
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by simone50m
It's not left vs. right so much as it's pro big government vs pro small government.
The real divisivness is who do you want to take care of you?
Yourself?
Or
Big government?
Choose one over the other and all debate becomes moot.
That is your spin
I am against dropping the barriers which hold total corporatism at bay
You distill the argument into the one that serves the least amount of thought and understanding.
I choose a BIG MIDDLE CLASS
In every corner of the globe, we are polluting, diverting, pumping, and wasting our limited supply of fresh water at an exponential level as population and technology grows, resulting in the desertification of the earth.
Corporate giants profit by forcing developing countries to privatize their shrinking water supply. Wall Street investors target desalination and mass bulk water export schemes to turn a global catastrophe into a product. Corrupt governments use water for economic and political gain, military control of water emerges, and a new geopolitical map and power structure forms, setting the stage for world water wars.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by simone50m
It's not left vs. right so much as it's pro big government vs pro small government.
The real divisivness is who do you want to take care of you?
Yourself?
Or
Big government?
Choose one over the other and all debate becomes moot.
That is your spin
I am against dropping the barriers which hold total corporatism at bay
You distill the argument into the one that serves the least amount of thought and understanding.
I choose a BIG MIDDLE CLASS
In other words, you mean the "proletariat", right?
second line ...
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by simone50m
It's not left vs. right so much as it's pro big government vs pro small government.
The real divisivness is who do you want to take care of you?
Yourself?
Or
Big government?
Choose one over the other and all debate becomes moot.
That is your spin
I am against dropping the barriers which hold total corporatism at bay
You distill the argument into the one that serves the least amount of thought and understanding.
I choose a BIG MIDDLE CLASS
In other words, you mean the "proletariat", right?
second line ...
No I mean the Middle Class, the people who provide skilled labor, usually buy a SFR and are not strictly business owners.
You support the modern equivalent of Monarchists, Oligarchs and slave masters, I think that is a foolish
approach in a nation that is not comprised with a large quantity of ELITES. This nation was founded to
escape self serving elite schemes, the kind you wish to reinstate.
Do your friends here know that you are a NEOCONSERVATIVE anyways? Three dollar bill
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Janky Red
At who's expense? You're either for big government entitlements or you're against them.
Which one is it?
No waffling. No perceverating. No talking points.
You really need to answer the question.
5 words or less.
Can you do it?
Originally posted by centurion1211
How about an understanding (by you) of just who employs the "Middle Class, the people who provide skilled labor"?
Answer: it is people who are often "strictly business owners".
Of course, marxist-leninist communists think it should be the state instead that employs the middle class - and everyone else.
Originally posted by Janky Red
You're either for corporate world domination or you are for the governance and laws that ensure and protect individuality through balanced consideration of civilian and private concerns...
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by centurion1211
How about an understanding (by you) of just who employs the "Middle Class, the people who provide skilled labor"?
Answer: it is people who are often "strictly business owners".
Of course, marxist-leninist communists think it should be the state instead that employs the middle class - and everyone else.
I understand there needs to be a balance as it is the capital outlay of the middle class which buys the products and services created by business. You choose to look at it from the angle you do, I look at it from the angle that is around me, regular folks, unlike you, I do not associate with Millionaires and Billionaires, so I guess I cannot relate.
I know Elitist Fascist neocons think that industry is the extent of humanity and America, but I know other wise.
These proposed tax cuts should go to the bottom three tax brackets for a change, those people will in turn
pay off their consumer debt and create liquidity in the market.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Janky Red
You're either for corporate world domination or you are for the governance and laws that ensure and protect individuality through balanced consideration of civilian and private concerns...
This statement of yours perfectly shows your true agenda.
To someone that believes in democracy and a free market economy, "civilian and private concerns" are one and the same.
They would only appear to be different things to someone who believes in soviet or chinese-style totalitarianism.
Exposed ...
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by centurion1211
How about an understanding (by you) of just who employs the "Middle Class, the people who provide skilled labor"?
Answer: it is people who are often "strictly business owners".
Of course, marxist-leninist communists think it should be the state instead that employs the middle class - and everyone else.
I understand there needs to be a balance as it is the capital outlay of the middle class which buys the products and services created by business. You choose to look at it from the angle you do, I look at it from the angle that is around me, regular folks, unlike you, I do not associate with Millionaires and Billionaires, so I guess I cannot relate.
I know Elitist Fascist neocons think that industry is the extent of humanity and America, but I know other wise.
These proposed tax cuts should go to the bottom three tax brackets for a change, those people will in turn
pay off their consumer debt and create liquidity in the market.
You are now resorting to name calling and insults.
Proof you have been "defeated" in the debate and have nothing left.
Elitist Fascist neocons
Originally posted by Janky Red
Pretty soon your extreme ideas are going to need boots and uniforms
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Janky Red
Pretty soon your extreme ideas are going to need boots and uniforms
You mean like the Red Army or KGB?
No thanks.
Originally posted by Janky Red
Tell me, would you support tax cuts that were aimed at the bottom three brackets as opposed to the top?
Tell me why or why not?
Originally posted by centurion1211
What is going on here as MSM outlet after MSM outlet that once could find no wrong with anything obama said or did, now coming down very hard on obama for a variety of reasons.