If progressives ran the world

And related to my NY Times Thread, here is one from the Washington Post - another usually staunch obama supporter.

What is going on here as MSM outlet after MSM outlet that once could find no wrong with anything obama said or did, now coming down very hard on obama for a variety of reasons.

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We’re going to call forth the sun!” Rep. Keith Ellison, the Minnesota Democrat who is co-chair of the caucus, proclaimed theatrically. His colleagues huddled under umbrellas and the wind knocked their promotional poster from its easel.

Ellison and the progressives probably would have a better chance of influencing the weather than they would passing their budget, which they are floating as an alternative to the House Republican bid and President Obama’s plan.

Among the highlights: A $4 trillion tax increase over 10 years. An increase in the top tax rate to 49 percent. A $2.3 trillion cut in defense spending – and an increase in domestic spending. Oh, and they would revive the “public option” to offer government-run health care.

Even the most starry-eyed of the progressives know the proposal is as much of a non-starter as Paul Ryan’s House Republican plan, which requires only spending cuts and actually reduces taxes. The real target is President Obama, who the progressives fear will capitulate and negotiate a deal that cuts heavily into entitlements and social programs.

Again, much more "meat" also contained in this article.

Welcome review and comments.

It almost seems impossible how similar the 1912 Election and the 2012 Election are looking right now. A division among the Left and a division among the Right; Progressives vs. Obama on the Left and Tea Party vs. Old Guard on the Right, it is shaping up to look like Debbs vs. Roosevelt and Wilson vs. Taft on the Right.

Is it just more is anyone else noticing this? I am not saying someone will challenge Obama from the Left and someone will challenge the GOP candidate from the Right it just looks like an incredible possibility.

S+F

reply to post by centurion1211

If progressives were in charge of the ocean instead of our money, they'd run out of water.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by centurion1211

 

If progressives were in charge of the ocean instead of our money, they'd run out of water.

Or try and tax us for the use of water AND air.

Wait! We are paying taxes on water already, and aren't the progressives trying to basically tax us on the air - cap and trade, carbon emissions?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by centurion1211

 

If progressives were in charge of the ocean instead of our money, they'd run out of water.

If Conservatives were in charge of the ocean it would all be there, cost $320.00 a gallon and be
contaminated with oil, medical waste and radiation

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by centurion1211

 

If progressives were in charge of the ocean instead of our money, they'd run out of water.

Or try and tax us for the use of water AND air.

Or how about buy all the water rights in the US like the KOCH brother intend to do

Just like they do in third world nations to control the populace

reply to post by Janky Red



Much Thanks, Jank, you said what I was thinking. If right wing Ayn rand Libertarian corporate-lobby-paying Republicans were in charge of the water, also, they'd say, "This water is MINE because I got where I am, as one of the fittest, so I win, you lose. You need to try and find your own water somehow, maybe your loving supportive family, or an unselfish church charity, will help you, and if not, it means that you should not survive like me and mine, then."

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by centurion1211

 

If progressives were in charge of the ocean instead of our money, they'd run out of water.

Or try and tax us for the use of water AND air.

Or how about buy all the water rights in the US like the KOCH brother intend to do

Just like they do in third world nations to control the populace

Perhaps you don't understand, or can't comprehend the HUGE difference between the cap and trade bill in congress that the progressives are trying to make the law of the land and some hairbrained scheme (if even true) by the progressive's new "demons" of the right - the Koch brothers.

Hint: a bad law from the progressives is far more dangerous than a bad hairbrained scheme.

This is Crazy, Progressive Liberals Running The Country,,,, Here you go, The way they Think:

Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) suggested a more militaristic form of resistance. “We are the soldiers on the battlefield. We wear the armor of the People’s Budget,” she announced. She predicted that if the Republican budget becomes law, seniors in nursing homes “will be lifted out in stretchers and you’ll see them carried out one by one.”

I didn't know Progressive Liberals had a Religious Theme,,,, Maybe they should sing,,, " March on Progressive Liberal Soldiers in the name of Progression" I can't sing, but it was something like that.
How about:

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) announced that 30 members of Congress were fasting on Wednesday to “raise the level of awareness about the People’s Budget.” (A separate press conference highlighting the fast was called off; it was unclear whether this was because of rain, hunger or something else.) Text

I didn't know you Progressives Fasted, Much Like:

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), the Progressive Caucus co-chair, who convened the session wearing a tie that hung loose from his neck and ended five inches above his waistband..

And Last But Not Least,,, If Only Progressives Controlled Something:

The Progressive Caucus will win that argument, just as soon as they gain control of the weather. The drizzle, alas, did not let up

I think it would be nice if the Conservative Right did Control the Oceans,, we don't even have to drill in the deep ocean, there is enough oil and shale under or own country to create mining jobs,, I know they'd be creating jobs, like new oil processing plants to handle the large amount of oil tankers the new jobs truck drivers to haul the oil and then the oil drilling rigs need to be built and security needs to be in place,,, sounds like jobs to me,,,, it never hurts that our gas prices here would drop to a dollar a gallon and we have so much oil to refine, we'd be able to export and bring down our own national dept.

The Progressive would just Tax You and the rich Progressives would have their monies safe in an over sea's bank account,,, Tax Free,.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by centurion1211

 

If progressives were in charge of the ocean instead of our money, they'd run out of water.

Or try and tax us for the use of water AND air.

Or how about buy all the water rights in the US like the KOCH brother intend to do

Just like they do in third world nations to control the populace

Please post the facts on this charge that the Koch brothers are "attempting to buy all the water rights in the U.S." from a reputable source ...

or better yet, just stop posting the lies ...

reply to post by guohua


Oh, and where have we heard the phrase, "the People's ...." this and "the People's .." that before?

wait for it ...

Straight out of marxist-leninist communism - as in the People's Republic of < fill in the blank >.

The progessives are gertting so desperate they aren't even trying to hide their agenda any more ...

if my memory serves me correct didn't the progressive left damn up a stream in california to save a fish and the farmland and farmer were left to die.

yeah its not if all anyone has to do is look at california.

Originally posted by centurion1211
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Oh, and where have we heard the phrase, "the People's ...." this and "the People's .." that before?

wait for it ...

Straight out of marxist-leninist communism - as in the People's Republic of < fill in the blank >.

The progessives are gertting so desperate they aren't even trying to hide their agenda any more ...

edit on 4/14/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

You're Absolutely Correct,,, If the wife was home, I could get that phrase from her Red Book,,, You know the Mao Red Book all good Chinese had to read and memorize, The teaching of Mao and the Communist Socialist Peoples Republic of China,,,,, You know the same China the Progressives and Obama as sold you and your Grand Children too.
Not to derail your thread, but as most of you know, my wife is a Very Proud American Citizen as of last year, Our daughter gets sworn in the 22nd of April,,, yup,,, next Friday,,,,, and they are both,,,, you guessed it,,,,
Strong Conservatives and No Matter What Comes,,,,,I did not and we never will Vote For Obama.

Here is a Link For You Progressives,,,, This Way you Can Read For Your-selfs.
Mao's Red Book. Chairman Mao Zedong Quotes. Some Selected Quotes from Mao's Little Red Book.
www.paulnoll.com...
Chapter 2 --- Classes and Class Struggle, Should be of Great Interest To You.
And, Chapter 3 --- Socialism and Communism, Your Hope and Dreams, Chapter.

reply to post by centurion1211


The progressives are panicking because the country is going broke. The class war is being fought with more anger, support, and vigor than any war in the past two centuries. The biggest fear they have is that they may have to rely on themselves after years of sucking off the teat of gvernment. They are afraid. And when they are afraid, they become dangerous. I'd look for more violent protests in the near future with the unions, and a bevy of socialist party drones causing all sorts of mayhem. If you think the mindless beatings and egg throwing was bad last election, just prepare yourself for some real hatred.

This thread is showing that the Right and Left, Democrats and Republicans, are BOTH WRONG. They are one and the same thing. A self-serving evil machine.
There needs to be a strong focused pro-US that has --common sense-- and compassion. BOTH. It appears the Left *often* has NO common sense, and the Republicans have no heart. And yes, the Left can be as fascist as one can imagine. We see it with the TSA under Obama and Janet Napalitano. We saw it with Bill Clinton and Janet Reno.
My apologies if I put Libertarians in with Repubs. I just don't like their wanting to greatly shrink government too much.

reply to post by simone50m


It's not left vs. right so much as it's pro big government vs pro small government.

The real divisivness is who do you want to take care of you?
Yourself?
Or
Big government?

Choose one over the other and all debate becomes moot.

reply to post by beezzer


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can i answer?


ME!!!!!!!!!!

anything the government gives can be taken away

reply to post by neo96


Wish I could give more than one star.
Personal responsibility doesn't stop with medicaid/care, social security et al. It means taking care of you and yours WHEN you're sick or poor. Not when you're happy and wealthy.

A true test of a persons character is when they are down. Not when they are up.

reply to post by neo96


That is a really good important point.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by simone50m

 

It's not left vs. right so much as it's pro big government vs pro small government.

The real divisivness is who do you want to take care of you?
Yourself?
Or
Big government?

Choose one over the other and all debate becomes moot.

That is your spin

I am against dropping the barriers which hold total corporatism at bay

You distill the argument into the one that serves the least amount of thought and understanding.

I choose a BIG MIDDLE CLASS