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Originally posted by nightrun
God can not judge us.
Originally posted by nightrun
I have this theory I'm struggling to put into a simple understandable way. I will try explain it and hopefully others can see it too.
Everything that we are now, everything that defines us is based on our past experiences. Put simply, Mum + Dad= Child. That child would be born into a race, culture, language etc, all pre-defined by the parents genetic code and lifeline and whatever that child "encountered" or picked up in upbringing.
If that child grew to be a murderer and at the time the murder is a "choice". I want to express that the choice is not actually a choice but is a result of the pre existing equation that led up to that result.
Human decision is based on pre encounters throughout life. For every decision there is an equation that led to that choice.
The decision is determined by the equation and therefore is not a decision but is a result.
A murderer is created from pre encounters that led up to that result.
Whether a person is christian, athiest, agnostic is not choice. It is determined by the pre encounters that led up to that result.
There is no choice, there is only equation = result.
It might seem like life is complex and it really is because there are soo many things out there that will result in the outcome of something else. Things constantly colliding, merging, becoming something new but whatever results is going to be determined by whatever causes/encounters led up to that result.
So put in the simplest way, lets say a human life starts at zero. Then as it rises up and it picks up language(A), manner(B), Education(Y,II,F,Er,W) constantly becoming more diverse the more things it encounters. Now look at any stage in that humans life and the result is................ Determined by the equation. You can not change the equation, life is in a single time line is linear. What we think we can choose or become we can not. If you want to be an athlete, it's because an equation led up to that desire. Whether the result is achieved or not is based on positions.
Therefore, god can not judge a person for what they become. We have no control over the outcome, every choice, every thought, every result is defined by equations. Basically, we have a history that can be tracked back to zero.
That's why evolution is fact. Whether we were created by aliens or not, what equations led to the result of aliens creating us? Or what equation led to life on earth. Big Bang + element colliding with elements creating new complexities colliding with other factors all spiralling towards life resulting on earth. Bacteria becoming bugs or animals, apes leading to humans, etc.
The more things in the equation, the more diverse the result will be..Get what I mean?
Edit: And before anyone argues creation. Look at quantum science. How they created something that moves and doesn't move at the same time. So track life back to zero where there is nothing, but something at the same time. A+B=C. Then C+A=@, while at the same time C+B=%. Everything constantly multiplying with itself, constantly merging becoming something new and adding to itself. Constantly becoming more complex. A computer program can probably easily replicate this theory. So you can see how easily life can be understood.
edit on 7/4/2011 by nightrun because: Added more
Originally posted by infojunkie2
Is the short version of what your saying ,
1. that your past or rather what happens to you in your past, ultimately determines your future and how you will behave?
2. that because of something that happened to you, you should not be held accountable for your own actions?
Originally posted by 5StarOracle
reply to post by nightrun
Your thinking is flawed because the universe is ruled by laws that govern both the positive and negitive..
Because God implemented the equations for the argument you have chosen to provide us, I would think you should have also been able to come to the conclusion that only God would have the answers to the test.
So in the end only he can judge you...
Originally posted by zroth
Originally posted by nightrun
God can not judge us.
This statement is amusing. Assuming God is what people profess, then we do not define what God can or can not do.
People are created.
Creator sets the tone.
Peace
Originally posted by nightrun
Originally posted by infojunkie2
Is the short version of what your saying ,
1. that your past or rather what happens to you in your past, ultimately determines your future and how you will behave?
2. that because of something that happened to you, you should not be held accountable for your own actions?
Yes to both. As to the rest of your response, what I'm saying is everything basically has a history/eqution. Whether you are rich or poor, murderer or hero, it's defined by an equation. A very complex equation but it's simple to understand the concept.
Basically, what causes led up to a person being the way they are. Can they be held accountable? Yes, by others humans of course. By god? No. So why is this?
Society the way it is structured right now, creates it's own monsters. People are products of society. My argument not only explains current human beings, but also explains that equations and interactions also explain everything back as far as we can track. It's the same concept as physics, that nature has an equation. Everything does.
Gods laws can not apply to man because man is a product of equation. Societies laws apply to man because we would not function as a society otherwise. If people didn't pull together and create laws then this kind of society would fall apart. Ya know? Basically money breeds greed and criminals. Is it anyones fault that we were born into a society that has been in development for the past few millions years?
Is any of this a choice? Are animals judged? Is it a sin that there are meat eating animals that prey on other life forms? Or is it that there are equations and reasons that that action occurs?
Originally posted by Dock9
I've always likened it to a cake or cart
If you or I build a cart and we build it improperly so that the cart overturns in a ditch, who's at fault -- you or the cart ?
You are, obviously. You have total responsibility for the failure of that cart to match your expectations
Originally posted by infojunkie2
Good luck with that when you meet your maker, as far as animals go,although they can be trained by humans,they live by instinct,knowing neither right or wrong.
Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Nihilistic theory will get you no where, OP, but your arrogance will drag you down (as it did with Lucifer and some ancient civilizations).
Man's worst folly is when he believes he's greater than the infinity that ultimately created him.
Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by nightrun
GOD Created Equations . GOD = 1