prostitution should be legalized

reply to post by hp1229


No, not at all, the comment/sarcasm was directed at the Alaska thread. You are fine, no offense was even contemplated.

If you are refuring to this:

Well it all depends on how you look at things. Growing up under the Parents can be slavery as we are expected to do things which are more important than growing up as a teenager or a toddler

True that companies and individuals who understand the loophole do exploit the system since there is still a human factor governing each and every aspect of the society. There is once again a hiearchy that controls the entire system. But more so its the human nature and its addiction for Power (Limited but flawed Independence) and Money (Big fat bonuses) that generally drives the upper management to some extent and indirectly force the subordinates to stay longer hours.

Even if a individual was unemployed, he/she will still be considered a slave of the system since they will still have to live within the mutually derived system or Law They might be still reporting to a master for the unemployment or benefits check. Where do we draw the line? The Barting system is long gone so are the Caveman's days and ways where one can walk up and clobber a deer for food or a person to prove their might and independence from slavery

I agree you are right although most parents do it for safety reasons as a child has not the capacity to understand their choices.

reply to post by Romekje


So I have heard many claims that the legalizations in Amsterdam are a failed experiment and the area is crime ridden with mafia and people are generally unhappy. Everyone I've talked to from Europe seems to think this isn't true.

Being from the area do you see any perceivable increase in crime or human suffering from the red light district?

reply to post by Jinglelord


Crime is low to begin with here, and i don't see any difference between cities that have red light districts and ones that don't. There used to be alot of crime involved with prostitution like human traficcing and such but ever since it got regulated the vast majority of that was gone. There will always be the illegal brothels that don't care and break the law on those fronts, but that's why they're illegal

Like there will always be streetdealers for softdrugs here also (use them myself sometimes lol), i really see no crime in that as long as there is no harm inflicted to anyone. It seems the general population agrees though there are ofcourse people who think our policies are destroying our country. I still have to see any solid evidence of that though.

reply to post by Jinglelord


I'd like to add my comments as well as I'm also as Dutch as you can possibly get.

I've not seen differences between cities with or without a red light district either.
There are problems rgarding our drug policies though. These problems happen only in border cities, mostly at the Dutch /Belgium border where people are trafficking illegal substances. People drive up here and buy, this will end . ( more or less )

There are shops closed in and around these border area's and people will probably need some sort off pass or ID to be able to buy in the future. Which will be not allowed to non Dutchmen..

One good thing though... Those who came for drugs and got denied can always spend their money on a prostitute, since they are legal to visit. Always look on the bright side of life.

What you hear about the Netherlands is wrong and we are in the top ten of best places to live in the world... Seriously. I'm not kidding. We're doing great.

The best explanation I can offer is that another thing most Dutch excell at is complaining.

You can only complain when you got something to complain about, like I said. We got it al, but we always want something better. Well Not all of us are like that of course.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas

The best explanation I can offer is that another thing most Dutch excell at is complaining.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hit the nail on the head there imo We're winers, and according to this list we're indeed one of the best countries in the world to live in (damn those liberal laws, they destroy everything)

Top 30 on Human Development Index Ranking

1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Iceland
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Netherlands
7. Sweden
8. France
9. Switzerland
10. Japan
11. Luxembourg
12. Finland
13. United States
14. Austria
15. Spain
16. Denmark
17. Belgium
18. Italy
19. Liechtenstein
20. New Zealand
21. United Kingdom
22. Germany
23. Singapore
24. Hong Kong, China (SAR)
25. Greece
26. Korea (Republic of)
27. Israel
28. Andorra
29. Slovenia
30. Brunei Darussalam


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reply to post by Romekje


I've often thought if I ever relocate I would like to move to Norway. You guys aren't doing a very good job to change my mind.

reply to post by Jinglelord


Maybe... I thought about it myself as well.

Closer to a socialist state is almost not even possible though... A little to much I think.

You should talk with Alysha Angel about how fun it is to live in Norway. I can assure you, you will be shocked... Well... Maybe just unpleasantly surprised.

By the way...

Did you know that they give their junkies a free hit, in special designated places, by actual nurses and clean needles... Go figure

Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by Romekje

 

I've often thought if I ever relocate I would like to move to Norway. You guys aren't doing a very good job to change my mind.

ha before you do id like to offer my advice on this subject!

im an ex american living in norway for the past 5 years .... and as of now iv got three goals in mind .....

one get my kids back home out of the corrupted child welfare system , two finish my eduation and three leave here for good . as to where im moving next its not back to the states . i really dont know yet ,

ill link you to two threads of mine one of which i requested to be closed
norway likes to pay you while their screwing you blind and ruining your life esp if your on the welfare system like i am ..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

dont get me wrong the country her self is beautifull but its the people that are all racist to the bone to everybody esp those who they invite to live here . its hard as hell if not down right impossible to get a decent job here ... added to that norway is the most expensve country to live in in the world ....

as for the thread it self here

to each their own........ and more power to them ..

reply to post by alysha.angel


So the Norway department of tourism is not paying you...


Thanks for giving me something to watch for when I do research! I really never would move there for 1 important reason. I was born in California. Californians can only go south, its a law I think.

To each their own is exactly my point in this whole thread. I suppose all these pages could have been summed up with that because it is the answer!

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Legalizing prostitution would do nothing to stop child prostitution. Drugs go hand and hand with prostitution. Remember that prostitutes have sex with many people, and not all of those people use condoms. Many customers pay the prostitute more money for sex without condoms. Not every STD is discovered and treated before someone is infected. Prostitution leads to trafficking rings. Legal or not, prostitutes are beaten and drugged. Prostitution breeds more prostitution. Visiting prostitutes will cause feelings of guilt, emptiness, unfulfilling, and loneliness. It's just a sex act, no emotion. Many feeel dirty, miserable, and scared afterward. Many men visit prostitutes to do things to them that a wife or girlfriend would not put up with, nor should they. Is a whore worth all of this? Really?

reply to post by aero56

Legalizing prostitution would do nothing to stop child prostitution.

Proof?

Remember that prostitutes have sex with many people, and not all of those people use condoms. Many customers pay the prostitute more money for sex without condoms. Not every STD is discovered and treated before someone is infected.

Not in legalized brothels they don't. No legitimate business would allow it, they do not want their name sullied, by stories of STD's coming out of their brothel. People would not go there anymore.

Prostitution leads to trafficking rings. Legal or not, prostitutes are beaten and drugged.

Most businesses impliment drug screening to work there, what makes you think a brothel would be any different? And a legal business will risk it's license by drugging and beating their employees? Really?

Visiting prostitutes will cause feelings of guilt, emptiness, unfulfilling, and loneliness. It's just a sex act, no emotion. Many feeel dirty, miserable, and scared afterward. Many men visit prostitutes to do things to them that a wife or girlfriend would not put up with, nor should they.

People say the same crap about casual sex, and it's simply crap. Maybe someone that has been indoctrinated to feel guilty about it might, there are plenty of us who never bought into that hype. Some people might go to a prostitute because their partner is boring as hell in bed, and will only have sex in the missionary position for procreational reasons only. They may go to a prostitute who wouldn't mind breaking out the handcuffs and blindfold. Those horrible people.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Legalizing prostitution would do nothing to stop child prostitution. Drugs go hand and hand with prostitution. Remember that prostitutes have sex with many people, and not all of those people use condoms. Many customers pay the prostitute more money for sex without condoms. Not every STD is discovered and treated before someone is infected. Prostitution leads to trafficking rings. Legal or not, prostitutes are beaten and drugged. Prostitution breeds more prostitution. Visiting prostitutes will cause feelings of guilt, emptiness, unfulfilling, and loneliness. It's just a sex act, no emotion. Many feeel dirty, miserable, and scared afterward. Many men visit prostitutes to do things to them that a wife or girlfriend would not put up with, nor should they. Is a whore worth all of this? Really?

Every single thing you just said would be next to eliminated with regulation.


As for the feelings of guilt and whatnot, well, to each his own. If it makes one person feel guilty, they probably should be doing it. There are many who recognize the difference between sex and love.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Legalizing prostitution would do nothing to stop child prostitution.

This argument is among the weakest. It may in some instances reduce child prostitution but I guarantee it will not increase it at the very least and shouldn't be used as a reason for either side of the debate. (I know my fellow pro-prostitution supporters might disagree but it isn't necessary to the argument anyway as there are enough other pros we have already covered)

Drugs go hand and hand with prostitution.

We should also outlaw rock shows, hippies, VW buses, reading 60's dystopian fiction, modern medicine, and pretty much anything having to do with Hollywood. Or we can agree this is also a piss poor argument.

Remember that prostitutes have sex with many people, and not all of those people use condoms.

Have you been to a legal brothel? Yes all of them do use condoms. HPV and Herpes should be the primary concern and these are most contagious when plainly visible. Everything else that isn't commonly stopped with a condom is easily treatable.

Many customers pay the prostitute more money for sex without condoms.

I have no first hand experience but I have read accounts that it is difficult to find a woman who for any amount of money will do this but you are right some will but not the majority by any stretch.

Not every STD is discovered and treated before someone is infected.

This is true with all casual sex. If casual sex is outlawed I will leave this country to all the zealots who do it behind closed doors in secret.

Prostitution leads to trafficking rings. Legal or not, prostitutes are beaten and drugged. Prostitution breeds more prostitution. Visiting prostitutes will cause feelings of guilt, emptiness, unfulfilling, and loneliness. It's just a sex act, no emotion. Many feeel dirty, miserable, and scared afterward. Many men visit prostitutes to do things to them that a wife or girlfriend would not put up with, nor should they. Is a whore worth all of this? Really?

All of this is speculative BS and much more prevalent when prostitution is illegal than when legal. I won't go point by point... no wait i think i will.

Trafficking rings are by nature illegal. If prostitution was legal it would REDUCE the demand for trafficking rings thus reducing trafficking rings. I'm sure most Johns would rather not risk jail time and hit the legal ones given a choice.

Women in bars, wives, girlfriends, all women get beaten and drugged. Why drug someone who is already going to do whatever you want?

Beaten? When legal beating a prostitute would be met with swift retribution from a security guard who would more likely than not be the size of VW Bug.

Feelings? So we should make laws based on feelings now? A: I think you're wrong and B: these feelings if they exist are a direct result of society looking down on the practice and nothing to do with reality.

Not all men visit sex workers just to do things their wives or girlfriends won't do. Some men like variety, some enjoy the adventure, some are single and shy, some are single and bad with women, and I think most men just want to experience hassle free sex.

A prostitute is worth all of this and more. I feel it should be societies most respected job. Outside of farming, construction or manual labor it is one of the only honest jobs a person a do.

Finally props to the good Captain and TDKRL I didn't mean to step on your feet by repeating you but I had to respond I hope you understand...

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Legalizing prostitution would do nothing to stop child prostitution. Drugs go hand and hand with prostitution. Remember that prostitutes have sex with many people, and not all of those people use condoms. Many customers pay the prostitute more money for sex without condoms. Not every STD is discovered and treated before someone is infected. Prostitution leads to trafficking rings. Legal or not, prostitutes are beaten and drugged. Prostitution breeds more prostitution. Visiting prostitutes will cause feelings of guilt, emptiness, unfulfilling, and loneliness. It's just a sex act, no emotion. Many feeel dirty, miserable, and scared afterward. Many men visit prostitutes to do things to them that a wife or girlfriend would not put up with, nor should they. Is a whore worth all of this? Really?

Can someone change the music? I feel like I am listening to a skipping CD...this is like at least the 4th time all these points have been brought up by different people and shot down. Until the veil of ignorance is lifted we are all doomed to live under oppression.

reply to post by TKDRL


Nothing is full safe. There WILL be STD's that are not caught and you are kidding yourself if you think there won't be. If you are human, you have feelings and emotions, unless you are a sociopath with no conscious. If you so believe that you can have sex with prostitutes and not be harmed emotionally or physically, congratulations, you have managed to lie to yourself. It will catch up with you. If you have a "boring" partner, maybe you should examine yourself. You are blaming your partner, not accepting your own responsibility, and putting yourself and partner at risk of physical and emotional mayhem. You can argue this all you want, friend, but you will lose the argument.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Legalizing prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It motivates men to buy women for sex beyond the permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Legalizing prostitution would not necessarily control the industry, but it will expand it! Men who never before would not buy a prostitute would see it as acceptable.When legal barriers disappear so do the social and ethical barriers to treating women as sexual commodities. It sends the message to youth that women are sexual commodities and that prostitution is harmless fun. And this creates a domino effect. Wives and girlfriends would then feel the need to compete with whores and provide sexual services that they would never have done before; hence, degrading themselves.

Is this what we want? Really?

reply to post by aero56


Blah blah, sometimes sex is sex. I have sex with female friends all the time, no strings attached, I am not some emotional wreck that you seem to think would happen... Not everyone has been indoctrinated to believe what you do, not everyone believes what you do. I have never had the problem of a boring sex partner, and it would be over pretty quick if I did. Everyone does not think like me, some people may choose to stay with a boring partner, and go see a prostitute. Or like some of my friends do, give me a call and get some great sex for free. Not everyone has such great friends, hell some people don't have any friends at all. Me, no, I will not stay in a relationship with someone that doesn't fullfill all my needs, and one of those needs is great sex. I have no problem if you don't know what you are doing, I am a good teacher, but if you are not putting any effort in, not gonna last long at all. Laying there silent like a dead log don't cut it for me.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Nothing is full safe. There WILL be STD's that are not caught and you are kidding yourself if you think there won't be.

That is for the responsible adult to decide, Not Mommy and Daddy Government. If someone doesn't take the responsibility for their own safety it is their own fault. Your argument makes it sound like you want Government to hold your hand through life. Myself? I make my own decisions and accept my own consequences.

If you are human, you have feelings and emotions, unless you are a sociopath with no conscious. If you so believe that you can have sex with prostitutes and not be harmed emotionally or physically, congratulations, you have managed to lie to yourself. It will catch up with you.

Emotions are a single persons to deal with. They are not caused by anyone else. They are learned responses to the way one personally sees life and actions within it. Again your argument is to have mom and dad hold your hand and protect you. It is not possible.

If you have a "boring" partner, maybe you should examine yourself. You are blaming your partner, not accepting your own responsibility, and putting yourself and partner at risk of physical and emotional mayhem.

Ones life is theirs and no one else's to decide what it is that they wish to experience here in physical life. Having a partner simply means that you have chosen to share experiences of the majority of that part of your life. Just like your argument about examining self applies, so does it apply to the partner. If they choose to be "boring" it is a life choice that they choose and have no right to limit another human being, for this is dictatorship.

You can argue this all you want, friend, but you will lose the argument.

How can one loose an argument based upon a fundamental right given by the creator? FREE WILL (the ability and responsibility to make your own decisions) Do you deny this right?

Legalizing prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It motivates men to buy women for sex beyond the permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Legalizing prostitution would not necessarily control the industry, but it will expand it! Men who never before would not buy a prostitute would see it as acceptable.When legal barriers disappear so do the social and ethical barriers to treating women as sexual commodities. It sends the message to youth that women are sexual commodities and that prostitution is harmless fun. And this creates a domino effect.

Lets look at the prohibition for just a moment. When they made alcohol illegal it drove the desire up and people died for it. When they re-legalized it people stopped dying over it even though people die because of it. This argument IMO is based upon what you have that is taken away not given which in this case would be true. What would be taken away is free will and I guarantee will cause people to die.

Wives and girlfriends would then feel the need to compete with whores and provide sexual services that they would never have done before; hence, degrading themselves.

Our very foundation in this country IS competition. Thus monopolies being illegal. Why is it right to have it in one place and not another? "Provide Services" implies that you think that because prostitution is legal ALL women must go into business and this is wrong. It is a choice . You can open a hot dog stand but you are not required to do so just because it is legal.

Is this what we want? Really?

For myself, Yes this is what maintains a fair and unregulated price structure.
Is prostitution right? maybe not. Is government regulation of my choices in my physical life right? A resounding NO.

reply to post by Agarta


I didn't say wives and girlfriends would "go into business". I said that "wives and girlfriends would feel a need to compete", compromising their sexual values to please their man; that is demeaning. And it sounds from you have said, that you would have no problem with that. No woman should be made to feel she has to compete with a whore to keep her boyfriend, husband, lover whatever. No man is worth that. And no prostitute is worth losing your home, your spouse, your family, your girlfriend. None. No prostitute is worth losing your self respect.

reply to post by aero56


LOL you think men are the only one who feel this way? Hahaha! It goes for both sexes.... There are plenty of women out there that are having a little fun on the side too you know... Not only women can be boring in bed.... I love how sexism always oozes into this topic. Women are less likely to need to pay for it, that is the only difference.