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Originally posted by Thermo Klein
I am a researcher and Psychologist. I can tell you all about denial, misrepresentation, how expectation can alter perception, and how eyewitnesses often get facts entirely wrong. This thread is not about those things, it's about an intact wall - can you explain why there's an intact wall where allegedly a giant airplane crashed?
What I really find ironic is how with the WTC, made of a steel mesh, when the planes hit those and created a plane shaped hole, the truthers jump up and down talking about how it must have been fake because the plane's wings "couldn't" have gone straight through. Then, when you show them a building made of reinforced masonry getting hit, those same types of truthers come over and say that the plane "should" have gone straight through and made a plane shaped hole.
I don't get it!
Originally posted by Thermo Klein
reply to post by hooper
c'mon Hoop, you remember... it's the animation where the wings fold back on entry then unfold once inside to knock out all the support columns. It's an amazing piece of work that the OSers can use because they can use it as "proof" for some things, but call it "only an animation" if someone challenges it - with the Purdue piece you guys can have your cake and eat it too!
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Varemia
What I really find ironic is how with the WTC, made of a steel mesh, when the planes hit those and created a plane shaped hole, the truthers jump up and down talking about how it must have been fake because the plane's wings "couldn't" have gone straight through. Then, when you show them a building made of reinforced masonry getting hit, those same types of truthers come over and say that the plane "should" have gone straight through and made a plane shaped hole.
I don't get it!
I think you are confusing the issue..
What truthers say is if the wings/tail did go through then where's the hole ?
If the wings/tail didn't go through then where's the debris ?
Not to mention the fires from all the fuel in the wings...
There was shredded debris all over the place. Just because someone doesn't want to believe it's real doesn't make it disappear. You can't just go "it was planted" and then move on saying "where's the debris?" That's really contradictory.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by 911files
Legge and Stutt made that silly paper claiming accuracy that was impossible..
I don't hold them as anything...
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Varemia
There was shredded debris all over the place. Just because someone doesn't want to believe it's real doesn't make it disappear. You can't just go "it was planted" and then move on saying "where's the debris?" That's really contradictory.
I saw little debris from a 124' wide aircraft..
With no foreknowledge, I highly doubt anyone would look at the pics of the Pentagon and say it was an airliner that hit..
And who the heck are you to make such a ridiculous claim? I can find your peer-reviewed paper where? The presumption that you somehow know better than degreed professional programmer and a guy with a Ph. D. I've never heard such arrogance (except from kids posting on internet forums).
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by 911files
And who the heck are you to make such a ridiculous claim? I can find your peer-reviewed paper where? The presumption that you somehow know better than degreed professional programmer and a guy with a Ph. D. I've never heard such arrogance (except from kids posting on internet forums).
Whatever you say mate..
But show me the sources, radar etc, that gave them the accuracy they required to fit their preset agenda..
Heck, no one seems to argue that the INS was 3000' out at the departure gate.
Hey, ask them. All I know is that their math is correct and my study of ARSR and 4 ASR sites data certainly agrees with their results.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by 911files
Hey, ask them. All I know is that their math is correct and my study of ARSR and 4 ASR sites data certainly agrees with their results.
It's well known that the data may be off by thousands of feet..
No one denies that..
So how did these guys use that data to supposedly confirm an exact flight path accurate to within less than a hundred feet??
They had to do that to take into account the light poles..
BTW, their paper fully agrees they started with a set outcome and worked backwards..
What kind of researcher does that??
They even state they had to make certain assumptions to fit that outcome..
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by 911files
Even pilots on here say it can be off by miles while inflight..
Radar updates are also not that accurate..
As many said, they don't need to be considering flight paths are 8 miles wide..
(Might be wrong on the 8, but it's wide )
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by 911files
Even pilots on here say it can be off by miles while inflight..
Radar updates are also not that accurate..
As many said, they don't need to be considering flight paths are 8 miles wide..
(Might be wrong on the 8, but it's wide )
The route was fine until Legg and Stutt decoded those last 4 seconds and showed the aircraft was at 4' on the radar altimeter. Then the pffft cult decided the altitude was too high. No one with a clue, has ever argued about the accuracy of the path except you and CIT. Good company you keep there.....
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Reheat
The route was fine until Legg and Stutt decoded those last 4 seconds and showed the aircraft was at 4' on the radar altimeter. Then the pffft cult decided the altitude was too high. No one with a clue, has ever argued about the accuracy of the path except you and CIT. Good company you keep there.....
No problems mate..
Now just show me the radar system that updated the FDR data to that accuracy...
We know the plane had no GPS to do it without outside input...