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Unfortunately, it would seem that there are indeed very #ty lawyers out there. Lawyers can be a help, or they can be perhaps the biggest hindrance ever.
You could of course always sue them in negligence, but I imagine that at this point in time you are probably quite sick of legal proceedings.
Best of luck fighting whatever taxes the State is levying upon you (presumably, incorrectly or unjustly). Did the lawyers you hired let you have a free consult/give you a short rundown of their previous trial history (which you could corroborate)? As I said, there are alot of very mediocre lawyers out there who will represent themselves as very competent and efficient professionals. Caveat emptor.
Alas though, if the State has you by the balls, there is little that the lawyer can do but mitigate the loss. The law can be unflinchingly and unrepentantly harsh
I personally think that a better approach to taking back our liberties would be to start a mass campaign informing everyone their rights as a juror. More specifically jury nullification.
Originally posted by thegoods724
Your story is an interesting one, sounds to me like you are trying to figure out a way to get out of some ticket, by saying the system is faulted. If that was feasable then everyone would do it. I think your pretty screwed either way. Every courthouse knows the reason they collect tickets is to pay their pockets and if they allow you to use some excuse to get out of it well they get less money. Good Luck though the system is bull and my question is why are traffic tickets so expensive when the public would totally decrease the cost of a ticket, since it has little to no effect on the speeding in the nation.
Originally posted by Rastus3663
reply to post by Josephus23
That's not what I was taught when I got my paralegal degree.
ATTORNEYS - LAWYERS - COUNSELORS - ESQUIRES
___________________________________________________________
Ye Wretched Hordes
Though Ye may have begun with high ideals and lofty
intentions, it is for naught.
Ye have traded your American souls for the title for English
Noblemen.
Ye have forsaken the country that gave you birth for doing the
bidding for a power-foreign against your neighbors and kin.
Honor, Virtue, and Purpose were left behind when Ye enjoined
the conspiratorial monopoly, the BAR Association, wherein,
Ye daily reap the benefits by criminal syndicalism.
Though Ye may have once been as a fresh fruit upon the tree, the
system for which Ye adhere is putrid vat for villainy.
The venal slime and treachery for the BAR Association courses
through your veins, Ye Wretched Hordes for the
LAWYERING CRAFT!
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Teckniec
How will it get one in deep #?
Section 27 clearly states the any law not in accordance with the bill of rights of the state is void.
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Originally posted by finemanm
I know I am late to the conversation, and forgive me if this was already said.
This is the reason why lay people should not represent themselves, they are clueless and through around words they don't understand. I'm a lawyer, if I'm sick I go to a doctor, if my car breaks I go to a mechanic, and for taxes, I go to an accountant. Leave law to the professionals.
Common law: based on stare decicis, or prior decisional law of the courts.
Statutory law: base on legislation.
These two types of law are intertwine. For example: sixth amendment to US Constitution says you have right to speedy trial in a criminal case. Well what on earth does that mean, a week, a month, a year, a decade?
States pass legislation that define what "speedy trial" means. In New York, it means 6 months for a felony. Does that mean if you are arrested on January 1st your case must be brought to trial by June 1st? Not necessarily. There are a number of excusable reasons why the government does not need to be ready for trial. The tests that apply to these excuses are evaluated by the courts looking to see what other courts have done in similar circumstances.
Thus, you has common law and statutory law intertwine.
More examples. Under NY personal injury law, unless you have a serious injury in a car accident, you cannot sue, you must rely on no-fault compensation. That is a statute. The courts use common law, i.e. Prior decisions by other courts, often higher courts to help determine if the injury you are claiming is legally a serious injury to allow your suit.
Corporations are people as far as courts are concerned. They can sue, be sued, and even be prosecuted criminally.
So, if you have a case, hire a lawyer.
Originally posted by greenovni
Unfortunately, it would seem that there are indeed very #ty lawyers out there. Lawyers can be a help, or they can be perhaps the biggest hindrance ever.
You could of course always sue them in negligence, but I imagine that at this point in time you are probably quite sick of legal proceedings.
Best of luck fighting whatever taxes the State is levying upon you (presumably, incorrectly or unjustly). Did the lawyers you hired let you have a free consult/give you a short rundown of their previous trial history (which you could corroborate)? As I said, there are alot of very mediocre lawyers out there who will represent themselves as very competent and efficient professionals. Caveat emptor.
Alas though, if the State has you by the balls, there is little that the lawyer can do but mitigate the loss. The law can be unflinchingly and unrepentantly harsh
As already stated, this is not a tax case. It is a child support case for a child that is not biologically mine, from a 1 night stand when I was 16 and the "lady" in question was 29.
I am sick and tired of legal proceedings but the fight must continue...
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by finemanm
The Federal government currently has a 97% guilty plea conviction rate. They have a 75% conviction rate for cases that actually go to trial. This means that if a person is charged with a federal crime in the United States and pleads guilty, they have a 25% chance of beating the rap, which is why lawyers work so hard at advising their clients to accept a plea bargain, because they are worthless 75% of the time in securing that person freedom. Those are not good averages.
Hire a lawyer after charged with a federal legislative criminalization act and be rest assured that lawyer will be advising you to accept a plea. What does this mean for you? This means you will be convicted of a crime, and even if you do not do any time, you will be drawn in to the "criminal justice" system where your rights will be pissed on and laughed at, while your lawyer expects to get paid for doing this for you.
Yep. If you like to be screwed, hire a professional...and by that I don't mean a lawyer. You have a better shot at satisfaction if you go the other route, even if it is a "crime".
Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by autowrench
Thanks for keeping the helm during my absence autowrench.
It is difficult being a one eyed person in the world of the blind, but it helps if there are two of us.
That being said, I want to get into something that will explain all of the contradictions that seem rife throughout this thread.
And to be honest with you, I am tired of providing links.
Obviously few have taken the time to read the link on Admiralty Law, because if they did, they they would have seen that that department of homeland security works under Admiralty Law, and has the power to OPENLY declare Admiralty Law as the law of the land during an emergency.
Well guess what folks, here is the kicker....
We have been living in a state of emergency since 1863. Meaning we have been living under martial law since 1863.
These states of emergency are temporary and must be renewed. I believe the last time that this was done was during the swine flu epidemic about 3 years ago by Obama, and nary a person noticed.
You see, much like the completely unconstitutional PATRIOT ACT, these states of emergency are only valid for so long because they essentially suspend the Constitution and must be re-enacted.
That is the entire point to the gold fringe around the flag. That signifies a MILITARY flag. This was made official in 1950 by Eisenhower. Do not fall for the BS game that the fringe is for decoration. The US flag has a very specific design and if it deviates in the slightest then it is not an "official" US flag.
Look up the history that accompanies the gold fringe and how it is used.
Research the number of countries (islands) in the British Commonwealth that use the gold fringe on their flags when dealing with official matters.
The congress has the power to create pretty much anything, but the Supreme Court is supposed to check this power, along with the President.
The Senate was originally supposed to be comprised of a group of those already voted upon by the locals. It would be someone who was already a congressmen from their respective state. The respective state's house would then vote their ONE Senator to represent the desires of the STATE in DC.
This made a Federal State Senator much more loyal to the interests of their STATE, because they were not FEDERAL employees. This was all changed with the completely bogus 17th Amendment.
Our system has slowly and thoroughly been perverted to such a degree that what has been stated concerning Congress' ability to create any type court of their desire, despite constitutionality, IS true to a certain degree.
BUT this is only true because we have been living under a state of emergency since 1863.
-This allows for virtually unchecked power by the executive branch.
-Virtual suspension of the constitution
-The creation of Kangaroo courts by congress and the military
-The president can create law simply by signing statements
-The INCOME TAX (it was originally sold to us as a war tax)
-The suspension of habeas corpus
-The suspension of posse commitatus
-The suspension of the 4th Amendment
-The implementation of the idea of "guilty until proven innocent"
We are Caesar's 13th Brigade in America. We are the military/industrial/prison/media complex of the future.edit on 3/10/2011 by Josephus23 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nh_ee
As we know all "Lawyers" must become members of the BAR in order to practice Law.
What DOES BAR stand for ?
BAR - British Accreditation Registry/Regency
And if you don't play by their rules then you are "Dis Barred".
So naturally of course most trained Attorneys will disagree with these concepts.
It's the Against their pledge of allegiance to the BAR and analogous to the curtain concealing the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz.
Our Legal system is based upon Maritime Law, aka The Uniform Commercial Code .
This is why all Federal Building and Corporations for that matter display a flag of sovereignty ....one for the United States and another for their own Corporation's laws.
Because this pertains to contractual law, you do as in any contractual agreement accept and agree to the terms.
This is why you sign for everything and/or agree in a court of law by acknowledging your presence by answering to your NAME.
This became clear to me when I had a traffic violation that I didn't want to be charged with and paid an Attorney to represent me.
He told me that the key was that I was to not utter a word, and that he would do ALL OF THE TALKING.
IN other words, not to answer the Judge when my name was called AND thereby transferring representation to my legal council instead.
As these Freemen are doing in not answering to their formal Names...and claiming representation they are not granting the court jurisdiction over them.
Without agreement, by both parties, as in any contract, the contract is not binding.
There IS something to this. But the PTB obviously do not want this secret revealed.
We are being railroaded here folks. Our system is merely a means for the Govt to borrow against our Tax payments funneling more and more money to the Banks. It's a huge ponzi scam.
Our prices in gas and food are going through the roof because of this huge ponzi scam making our Dollars worthless.
We Americans are fighters and I hope that we as a nation will ....
begin to wake up and smell the coffee !
Live Free or Die !