2 Suns you say? I offer proof.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by derst1988

 

The object Muller was hypothesizing was Nemesis, which has a ton of evidence going against it. In fact, original proponent of the Nemesis hypothesis, John Matese, has abandoned the Nemesis hypothesis for the Tyche hypothesis.

this may be ignorance on my part due to lack of "real interest" but "same duck, different name."

reply to post by Under Water


Can you take a nice shot of the moon. That is a nice setup you have there.

Thanks for the photo.

reply to post by derst1988


Not at all. Nemesis was a red or brown dwarf 50,000 AUs out that was used to explain mass extinctions occurring at a seemingly constant rate. Tyche on the other hand is a planet at most four times the size of Jupiter 25,000 AUs out and has no real effect on the inner solar system.

reply to post by Under Water


All of this "Two Suns" talk finally got under your skin huh? Just simply cannot handle the idea, or the possibility that something may exist outside of your perception of the world.

Well, if the Two Suns, thingy isn't true, why are scientists preparing us for it?
www.huffingtonpost.com...

But, I'm sure YOUR PROOF is so much more solid than say....um, NASA? Grow up sputnik, there are shifts happening all around you, and if you can't evolve to it, then bury your head under the sand like everyone else does. But posting your counter information makes you look desperate and ignorant.

Oh, and the reason your "photography" equipment can't pick it up is for the same reasons that comets, and other celestial events can only be seen from certain geographic locations. Just because you aren't in that geographic location doesn't negate the fact that it is happening. Let me ask you, if an event happens in Russia, and you can't film it here, does that mean that the event simply "doesn't exist?"

Use your head youngster...Boy, critical thought is such a rarity anymore.

Originally posted by Versa
Very nicely debunked here

edit on 6/3/11 by Versa because: (no reason given)

Wait, how does that video debunk Nibiru

reply to post by Qcuailon


Wow, you didn't come across as arrogant and impolite at all there, well done. The article in your link is about Betelgeuse, which could go supernova tomorrow, or in a million years. It has absolutely nothing to do with Nibiru, which is what some people are claiming the 'second sun' is.

reply to post by oxbow


Duh...

I am aware of this.

However, the article, just like the OP, talks about TWO SUNS...Not Nibiru or anything else. TWO SUNS. There it is...

And it said that it was "unsure" of time frames, meaning, it could happen today, or in a million years. And what makes you think that Betelgeuse isn't the scientists way of saying, "Yep, there might be this thing coming around that others are calling "Nibiru," but, the true science behind it is a star getting ready to go supernovae.

Either way...2 suns. End of story.

reply to post by RANDOMguess


To be honest, I have no proof of this but when when I did look up at the sky 2 days ago ... I seen something next to the sun. Hardly as it hurt my eyes but I really did, Noone needs to believe at all. It's not what I'm asking for but yeah I did see something but now I can't and I'm 100% positive as I rushed to get my family.

That's all I can add.

Originally posted by Qcuailon
reply to post by Under Water

 

All of this "Two Suns" talk finally got under your skin huh? Just simply cannot handle the idea, or the possibility that something may exist outside of your perception of the world.

Well, if the Two Suns, thingy isn't true, why are scientists preparing us for it?
www.huffingtonpost.com...

But, I'm sure YOUR PROOF is so much more solid than say....um, NASA? Grow up sputnik, there are shifts happening all around you, and if you can't evolve to it, then bury your head under the sand like everyone else does. But posting your counter information makes you look desperate and ignorant.

Oh, and the reason your "photography" equipment can't pick it up is for the same reasons that comets, and other celestial events can only be seen from certain geographic locations. Just because you aren't in that geographic location doesn't negate the fact that it is happening. Let me ask you, if an event happens in Russia, and you can't film it here, does that mean that the event simply "doesn't exist?"

Use your head youngster...

edit on 7-3-2011 by Qcuailon because: to add...

Sigh.....

Nasa preparing us for a second sun? Utter lies. They never once said there will be a second sun. There is a big difference between an actual object in our solar system, and the light traveling from many many light years away, They use the term second sun in the sense that there will be a bright spot in the sky. All these nibiru people are using the term second sun in the sense there is an actual object within our solar system. Very very different things, and the fact you ignore this difference to further your own bias shows you are being more ignorant than you accuse the OP of being.

Trying to look outside of your own perception is great... but just making things up, or deliberately misinterpreting things is just the opposite side of the "bury your head in the sand" coin. You just ignore logic and reason to believe what you want to believe. Same thing as someone that ignores new ideas that have merit, simply because it challenges their views.

As it stands right now there is absolutely no proof of a new planet or brown dwarf floating around the sun. None. And until there is, you have every right to believe it's there, but you have no right to insult others for not believing in something that lacks any evidence.

Anyway.....

To the OP: I'd also like you thank you for this contribution. While it does make sense that geographic location plays a part in who can or can't see this object IF it's there, its still nice to add more photos to the evidence bin.

The most important photo you posted, in my opinion, is not the ones showing nothing but the sun. The most important one you posted is the one with the lens flare. The little white round object to the left and above the sun looks EXACTLY like all of the nibiru pics people are posting, with the exception of the ones showing a nibiru that matches the perceived size of the sun.

It doesn't seem all of these people thinking lens flares are planets have ever seen pictures before... From the time I was a child, to right now, I cannot even count how many pictures showing the sun I have seen, or even taken myself, that show a lens flare that looks identical to what people are now claiming are planets.

As I said in other second sun (lens flare threads) if that is a second sun, it's been there my whole life so obviously it's not doing anything to the solar system!

reply to post by Qcuailon

But, I'm sure YOUR PROOF is so much more solid than say....um, NASA? Grow up sputnik, there are shifts happening all around you, and if you can't evolve to it, then bury your head under the sand like everyone else does. But posting your counter information makes you look desperate and ignorant.

NASA monitors the Sun 24/7 and has never reported seeing it suddenly double. Look for yourself. As has been pointed out, your link has nothing to do with a "double sun." Why must you use such condescending and insulting language?

Oh, and the reason your "photography" equipment can't pick it up is for the same reasons that comets, and other celestial events can only be seen from certain geographic locations. Just because you aren't in that geographic location doesn't negate the fact that it is happening. Let me ask you, if an event happens in Russia, and you can't film it here, does that mean that the event simply "doesn't exist?"

Celestial events can be seen over wide geographical areas. If the Sun suddenly doubled, everyone on the day side of Earth would be able to see it. If an event happened in Russia and many people reported it, it would be reasonable to assume that it happened. If an impossible event is alleged to have happened in Russia, and only one person claimed to have seem it, there would be serious grounds to suspect a hoax.

Use your head youngster...

He is using his head. Why must you take that tone again?

reply to post by James1982


No, you're just lying to yourself. How does that feel by the way? To actually look yourself in the mirror and lie just so your world doesn't cave in against itself?

So, you can try your deflection and skeptic techniques against someone who will actually bow down to lesser intelligence. I have studied this longer than you've been to school and think that I have quite the sound study techniques.

My information comes from reliable sources, yours comes from opinion and conjecture.

So, just as the science article states, "There could be two suns to view in the future..."

That, by the way, is according to "scientists" and not armchair, self-made specialists who spend their time arguing on ATS without the slightest clue of what they are arguing, or why.

BYE...

Originally posted by David291
reply to post by RANDOMguess

 

To be honest, I have no proof of this but when when I did look up at the sky 2 days ago ... I seen something next to the sun. Hardly as it hurt my eyes

but I really did, Noone needs to believe at all. It's not what I'm asking for but yeah I did see something but now I can't

and I'm 100% positive as I rushed to get my family.

That's all I can add.

I think you misunderstood me buddy, I was asking Versa why he thinks the video he posted debunks Nibiru. I would accept the answer from you also, if you know it?

reply to post by DJW001


My link has NOTHING to do with a double sun huh? LOL... Would you like to see it again?

I am absolutely ASTOUNDED how people can read this and then say, your article has NOTHING to do with two suns. In fact, I am over here laughing my butt off at the sheer amount of denial in some folks.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Read it, and then...read it again. That way you can clearly see that the scientist refers to this phenomenon as "Two SUNS."

Whew...

First of all, I'm not a he, I'm a she. I'm a 34 year old woman. I'm a mother and a wife. I'm a professional photographer with over $30k worth of photographic equipment at my disposal.

The reason I started this thread was because for days now I have been following these 2 sun threads with great excitement, only to be let down when i see (with my professional eye) common lens flare being mistaken for an object in the sky (second sun, planet, nibiru, etc.) As I've said earlier, i wasn't looking to disprove anything. I wanted to see something amazing, and i did everything I could on my end to find out the truth for myself, and i'm just sharing my results with the rest of you. I realize this is a website and we don't all personally know each other and can't just take everything anyone says as fact, and that's fine. My thread should has said evidence instead of proof like someone pointed out earlier.... but this was my first thread and it just didn't occur to me at the time.

And for the person who said "nice photo of the moon", seriously, I've given you the exif data, and a list of all equipment used, go replicate it for yourself. It's the sun. I've stopped down my exposure as dark as possible to remove all flare. When i shoot the moon, there is no mistake it's the moon.

Now, if there is something in the sky that can only be viewable in russia, or whatever, then why are videos surfacing from all over the world? I can't tell you what's not in russia's skies, but I can tell you what's not in louisiana's skies.

How about this, instead of relying on video's from people you don't know, go to your local camera shop and rent the equipment i've posted. Use the settings I've posted. And take a shot of the sky from your location. We can all compare the results here. ATS has members from all around the globe. If we really wanted to, we could find out if something is really there.

And one more thing, Qcuailon, rudeness is really unnecessary. Can't you just state your opinion without blatantly trying to offend people? If anyone here is acting like a child, you are. I didn't come here looking to put down anyone, and i didn't take on an attitude in any of my posts. I only came here to offer the community my skills.

reply to post by Qcuailon


Your article is poor Journalism at best and is best discarded.
It has nothing to do with two suns at all. Nothing of the sort is even possible. What they are talking about is two totally different things, one being a sun, the other the death of one, get a grip on reality dude.

yes but you see, OP. that only some places around the world can see the second sun, because my friend. dat der chemtrails is blocking ya view!.... now they cant get everwhere, p.s there is somthing out there, and no im not talking bout aliens, any one smart and not religious will tell you this

The fact that this site went crazy debunking the jerusalem UFO video, I just cant take this stuff seriously.

The multiple videos from china, russia, and here, are a lot more convincing than that picture.






And, another thing. I dont believe it is "so close to our sun." I was under the impression that it was quite far away, but HUGE , so at times, appears similar to the size of the sun. As time goes on it should be getting quite obvious.

Qcuailon, the link you posted is actually the same link i posted in another thread days ago. I'm fully aware that some believe if Betelgeuse goes super-nova it may appear that there are two suns in the sky temporarily. I'm looking forward to seeing this happen if it does.

However, if that's what happened here, we would all see it. It's not like i'm saying if there was a ufo in the sky in France, then everyone in USA should be able to see it too. I'm saying if there were something out there in space, a huge body of some sort, many people across the globe would see it and there would be no denying it. I just don't believe I've seen any real evidence in any of the videos and images posted so far. All i see is reflections and flare.

yes but you see, OP. that only some places around the world can see the second sun, because my friend. dat der chemtrails is blocking ya view!.... now they cant get everwhere, p.s there is somthing out there, and no im not talking bout aliens, any one smart and not religious will tell you this

First, and i mean no disrespect, was this reply intended to be a joke? Because it reads that way. In case it's not, i'll go ahead and answer....
We have no chemtrails here, or contrails, depending on your beliefs. It's a rare sight where i live. The skies were perfectly blue yesterday, not a cloud in sight. So I had a perfect view of the sun, and only saw the sun.
The fact that you say there is "something" out there.... well that may be, but that has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is specifically about the videos of "two suns" that have been posted all over youtube and ats lately. That is all.

The multiple videos from china, russia, and here, are a lot more convincing than your picture. And, another thing. I dont believe it is "so close to our sun." I was under the impression that it was quite far away, but HUGE

That's fine if that's what you want to believe, however, if it really is that huge, then shouldn't I be able to see it here in Louisiana if it can be viewed in china and Russia and everywhere else people are saying they see it? Now I'll be honest, the original china video is pretty neat. It's not a flare, it looks like a reflection of some kind. Or projection. But you have to admit, all the other video's popping up since are showing nothing more than flare's or sundogs.

reply to post by Qcuailon

My link has NOTHING to do with a double sun huh? LOL... Would you like to see it again?

I am absolutely ASTOUNDED how people can read this and then say, your article has NOTHING to do with two suns. In fact, I am over here laughing my butt off at the sheer amount of denial in some folks.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Read it, and then...read it again. That way you can clearly see that the scientist refers to this phenomenon as "Two SUNS."

Whew...

Yes, it has the expression "double sun" in the misleading headline and a still from "Star Wars." What does that have to do with the topic of this thread, which is an attempt to examine claims that are being made that our sun has a visible companion? Read it and read it again, it's about a potential supernova.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by yets777

 

Absolutely incorrect:

... a brown dwarf is only detectable in infrared ...

(and the fact that at least one person agreed, is disturbing...).

A "brown" dwarf is basically just a very, very big "gas giant" planet. A "failed star", in the sense that it did not have sufficient mass, gravity, and thus internal pressures to initiate a sustained fusion reaction.

However, except for being larger in diameter, and greater in mass...a "brown" dwarf is essentially the same as Jupiter!! Can we see Jupiter? Yes, of course. But, does Jupiter shine on its own?? NO, of course not.

Then, why can we see Jupiter?

Class? Anyone??

Yes, that's right....for the same reason we can see the Moon, and the other planets, that also have no light source of their own. The reflect the Sun's light. A "brown" dwarf, IF one were to be within our Solar System (there ISN'T, obviously, as anyone who understands astronomy, and orbital mechanics and gravity, will realize) ... even a "brown" dwarf would also reflect a great deal of sunlight, being in proximity to the Sun, and thus, be VERY visible.


Basic science education seems to be getting worse and worse.....


r u kidding me, wise is seaching in 4 different infraredbands this comes straight from nasa there site ill quote :
WISE is a NASA mission, launched in December 2009, which scanned the entire celestial sky at four infrared wavelengths about 1.5 times. It captured more than 2.7 million images of objects in space, ranging from faraway galaxies to asteroids and comets relatively close to Earth. Recently, WISE completed an extended mission, allowing it to finish a complete scan of the asteroid belt, and two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands. So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.
and reason it cant constantly be seen ive explained , sometimes it flares up since its close to the sun then people are able to take pictures and see it but not constant . i even believe there are 5 dimensional planets who cant be seen but are able to have huge effects on our worlds . i believe there are suns and stars who travel around in space taking 90 degree turns but hey thats my freedom of thought im not expecting u do 2

edit on 6 March 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)