The FBI is soliciting nude pics of child porn and it is legal for them to do so????

the article speaks for itself and it makes me sick. I am concerned that they actually use pics and make a magazine of child porn pics and circulate them. Regardless, they are fueling the people and goading people into these actions and further proves my point that it is morally wrong to continue to circulate illegal pictures regardless if you are an officer trying to do a job. I do not condone any of these practices the FBI uses nor the original Photographers. It just seems like If they removed the FBI illegal porn sites there wouldn't be any out there because they are the ones doing all the illegal activities.
I can't find the source at this moment but I found a statistic from the FBI statistical database that 96% of all child porn on the internet is posted by the FBI and is aimed at entraptment and not arresting the people that actually post the pics. I burns my !@# to see that our gov't is willfully retraumatizing our children instead of going after the real root of the problem, The producers, oh wait we can't prosecute them because they have immunity because they are the FBI!!!! findarticles.com...
I am sure they may mean well and hope they do but they could use other ways instead of plastering an already victimized child on the internet again and again.

reply to post by agentblue


There was a time in America where the gov't was expected to abide by its own laws. That is clearly no longer the case. What are you going to do about it?

Originally posted by budaruskie
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There was a time in America where the gov't was expected to abide by its own laws. That is clearly no longer the case. What are you going to do about it?

I am gonna try my !@# off to get Ron paul elected! I believe he can steer us back to gov't accountability.I realize that the president does not have the great magical powers people think a POTUS has but he has more influence than a lot of other people do.

So let me get this straight, you are defending child pornographers and think that this kind of behavior is ok? Is this your point? Do you not think that kiddie porn peddlers shouldn't be found out and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

So, what's the problem here?

No one is forced to obtain these materials, if someone is seeking it and they follow the bread crumbs to the FBI and get busted... Should we have sympathy for them?

If you really want to be outraged over what the FBI can do... You could be completely innocent and have them plant illegal stuff on your computer, just to get you! .. if they want to.

That kind power and corruption can come down on ANYONE for ANY reason.

No sympathy here for the real freaks seeking child porn... But those who have been targeted and set up by the feds should get a little.

The line between guilt and innocence is entirely under their control.

The FBI ... Like the rest of the world is full of good and bad, just and corrupt.. But few entities have as much power and tools to use as they do... Too often the bad and corrupt use everything they can when and where it suits them to.

It's too bad that they can't be trusted, a shame actually.

reply to post by whatukno


Apparently you didn't understand my point. My point is that child porn is wrong and do not condone the actions in the slightest bit. What I am against and suggesting is the reusing of these pics on another website regardless of who is doing it. If they repost them then the FBI are the publishers. I should say that two wrongs don't make a right and by them re engaging the the pics on the internet is further endangering the childs safety and forcing them to more extreme forms of public scrutiny by allowing it back on the web for others to view.

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But the only people who WANT to view this material are people who are into kiddie porn. Don't you think that these people need to be found out for who they are and taken out of society?

Oh but I see, because the government is actually doing something about these sickos it must be wrong.

Do you expect them to fight crime by not doing anything?

There are people that have to trawl through websites and watch child pornogrpahy as a job to try and catch child molesters...this is really no different. There was a BBC documentary made a few years ago about this and the people who do this for a living were interviewed about it.

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please stop trying to spin this. I am against all child porn and I am looking out for the kids. It is not a matter of wanting to catch the bad people because i do, but it is a matter of reposting nude kids on the net regardless of who it is. Do catch my drift yet? I am not debating entraptment but I am debating the use of the illegal porn published and republished by the FBI.
Another way to look at it is what if the FBI was making and confiscating drugs and was selling it to people(THEY ALREADY DO and has been documented) and they aren't actually helping anybody except potentially getting other people hooked and arresting a small amount of people they sold to because most addicts tend to share and leave the newly hooked people out there to buy more from them. It will turn into a vicious cycle unless they stop the supply to the public.

My daughter was playing on a computer dress up game for brat dolls and a popup came on the screen and she clicked and it was a FBI child porn site that was linked. I was fu&kin pissed that they would link to a kids website and the FBI confirmed the pop up was their link when I reported it! I felt like they were the ones who were trying to poison my kids on a secure kid friendly site.

Originally posted by agentblue
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Apparently you didn't understand my point. My point is that child porn is wrong and do not condone the actions in the slightest bit. What I am against and suggesting is the reusing of these pics on another website regardless of who is doing it. If they repost them then the FBI are the publishers. I should say that two wrongs don't make a right and by them re engaging the the pics on the internet is further endangering the childs safety and forcing them to more extreme forms of public scrutiny by allowing it back on the web for others to view.

I personally understood your point perfectly and agree 100% with you.

Child Pornography is disgusting and awful. The victims of this heinous act are getting their pictures and videos REPOSTED on the internet for all the perverts to see. As if it wasn't bad enough these disgusting perverts took advantage and traumatized these children, once the videos and pictures and taken down, they are put back up AGAIN by the FBI. That just seems wrong.

So it's OK to post Child Pornography as long as you are doing it to catch pedophiles? No, I don't think so. Because posting it is re-victimizing the child in the photos/videos all over again by spreading it.

Originally posted by whatukno
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But the only people who WANT to view this material are people who are into kiddie porn. Don't you think that these people need to be found out for who they are and taken out of society?

Oh but I see, because the government is actually doing something about these sickos it must be wrong.

Do you expect them to fight crime by not doing anything?

edit on 3/2/2011 by whatukno because: (no reason given)

I don't see why the FBI must be the one to post this stuff up in order to catch people. Why can't they just scour the internet looking for it, and then track down the people that are posting it in the FIRST place? I'd much rather have a producer/poster caught than a user/consumer. In a perfect world all involved should be locked up for life, but the ones actually producing this stuff are doing the real damage. That is where the focus and resources of the FBI should be going.

reply to post by James1982


Thank you James 1982 for seeing my point exactly as I intended it to be read.

Originally posted by whatukno
But the only people who WANT to view this material are people who are into kiddie porn. Don't you think that these people need to be found out for who they are and taken out of society?

No I don't think these people need to be taken out of society. Their brain chemistry is such that they are attracted to young children. So long as they are not directing this attraction toward real live children they are not hurting anyone.

I agree with outlawing child porn, but the producers and pushers should be the main targets of the FBI. However, it is bad policy to target yourself.

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed

Originally posted by whatukno


I don't disagree with outlawing child porn, but the producers and pushers should be the main targets of the FBI. However, it is bad policy to target yourself.

It took me a minute to decipher the first part but after i figured out exactly what you said, I found the last part quite ironic and funny assuming that you meant that it is bad policy to target yourself meaning the FBI

edit on 2-3-2011 by agentblue because: needed clarification

Originally posted by agentblue
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Thank you James 1982 for seeing my point exactly as I intended it to be read.

It seemed pretty straightforward to me! I read the OP, then the replies and asked myself "Did we read the same post?" Then I re-read the OP and still am wondering how those other people thought you were somehow defending Child Pornography watchers and producers.

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James1982 I was thinking and wondering how they thought I was defending any child porn producing or anything of that remote matter. Maybe they are just skimming and only reading what they want to hear????

Originally posted by agentblue
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James1982 I was thinking and wondering how they thought I was defending any child porn producing or anything of that remote matter. Maybe they are just skimming and only reading what they want to hear????

Honestly the only part I could REMOTELY see them misunderstanding is the following quote from the OP:

they are fueling the people and goading people into these actions

But someone would really have to be skimming pretty darn lightly to not understand the point of the post, in my opinion at least!

reply to post by James1982


ahhhhhh i see you point on what part could be misconstrued!

Nevermind this is obviously just one of those NAMBLA defending threads made by people who think that child porn is ok and that finding people who use child porn or investigating crimes in this country is somehow wrong. I think it's sick, I think that getting people who trade in child pornography off the streets is a good thing but obviously my attitude is the minority in this thread. Seems like the majority in this thread think that it's just fine for these sickos to be watching this stuff and trading this stuff and they don't think that law enforcement should do anything about it.

Originally posted by whatukno
Nevermind this is obviously just one of those NAMBLA defending threads made by people who think that child porn is ok and that finding people who use child porn or investigating crimes in this country is somehow wrong. I think it's sick, I think that getting people who trade in child pornography off the streets is a good thing but obviously my attitude is the minority in this thread. Seems like the majority in this thread think that it's just fine for these sickos to be watching this stuff and trading this stuff and they don't think that law enforcement should do anything about it.

WOW dude apparently you are lumping me in a group that I don't belong and if you want the people to go to jail for posting nude pics of kids then arrest your FBI agents that post this stuff too. It is an all or nothing battle with you apparently. You are too dense to understand the post is about retraumatizing the kids by reposting their nudity and vids on the internet by the FBI..... Geez stick with the point and we all want the original producers caught, get that through your head. I am losing patience with you and I feel bad that I am not more civil but again GEEZ. I don't mean any disrespect to you but you are trying to spin it into something it is not. Are you an FBI agent or something? because that would be the only people that I know of that would come up with an argument to defend their tactic, that it is ok to use kids as bait and not feel bad about it even though it retraumatizes them and places a defenseless child in harms way. YOU are !@#$%^& nuts

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How can you pretend to care about not traumatizing children when you don't want law enforcement to be able to go after the people involved in this traffic? You don't want them to investigate and collect evidence so therefore you obviously are ok with what these child porn peddlers and viewers do.