I want to leave The United States of America, I've had it.

reply to post by D0MiNAT0R 1OOO

I see ya'll got those chemtrails in your skies over there you can see it in the picture you posted of the airstrike bunker.

I'm thinking positively that i'll win the megamillions drawing tonight. Then I'll move to somewhere in South America. Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, wherever I can get good seafood and is dog friendly.

reply to post by leaualorin

The girls look nice, but I think I'll pass on Romania. Vampires can be worse than cockroaches.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

reply to post by crawgator406

Yes its Possible..., i'm often not shure what to make out of it. Is it a Chemtrail or a Contrail???
But over our City is also a lot of Air-Traffic all day long

A sheep by any other name is still a sheep. Is this really what we have degenerated to arguing over which sheeple is better? How bout not being a sheep period, no matter where you live?

There is idolization everywhere you go the shows Americans are addicted to arent even American originals. American Idol= Pop Idol. Its just rebranded European shows. For cryin out loud America is just a rebranded Europe. You like futbol, we like football. Your telling me your futbol stars arent paid insane amounts of money? Try redirecting your grief to the global agenda instead of the nationalist one.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


I've thought about it quite a bit myself.

Here is a resource I've found that provides some interesting information about places to live large outside of the US. You can sign up for the newsletter. Worth a look

www.escapefromamerica.com...

The next three minutes and twenty seconds could change your life...

reply to post by dragonsmusic




Well, Im sold.


What time does the bus leave?

Originally posted by BlackOps719
reply to post by dragonsmusic

 

Well, Im sold.


What time does the bus leave?

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the original poster has never been outside of the USA for an extended period of time, or lived in a single other country for 6 months.

I suspect that you are looking at the rest of the world through 'rose-tinted spectacles' and so anywhere else seems more alluring.

I have traveled extensively in Europe and Mexico, and lived in the Middle East for a while, but moved back to the and am happiest here. You might be different, but I'd recommend traveling first, and "sampling" life in various environments before stating point blank that Americans are the most savage sheep on the planet.

Here are some things I missed about the US (specifically Texas).

1. Outside of the urban areas, the US still has truly massive wilderness areas. My experience of outdoor Europe was that it was much more "managed," and more like a US state park that is a tourist attraction.

2. Game laws. I love to hunt and fish. Hunting in many foreign countries is plain impossible unless you are part of the ruling elite. I have heard that this is changing as states seek American tourist investment. So my experience is definitely dated. That said, what other country (besides Canada!) has 40 million deer?

3. Cost of living. Food and housing in the US (west of the Mississippi) is about a third of what it is on the East coast or in Europe. You can buy a 3 bedroom with a large yard in a nice neighborhood in the outside of california for less that 250,000. In Texas, more like 150,000. My friends from the UK are always shocked at how even modest earners live in a "castle" in the US. Gasoline there is 9 bucks a gallon as well. I know a lot of Americans (and the OP) believe that the US 'has blood on its hands' because of manipulating the oil market. You ought to seriously read up on Europe's blood soaked record in the middle east---they are the main customers of Iraqi and Libyan oil---not the US! We have oklahoma....

4. Less Bureaucracy. Especially in Latin America, you need permission to buy a house, or even to rent an apartment! I don't know about now, but in Germany you had to "register with the police" when you moved into a neighborhood. What's up with that?

5. Dependable infrastructure. Go for a drive in Honduras in a sedan. Or heck, just Mexico. I hope you brought your own manhole covers. Streets change names every few blocks, or several streets have the same name(!) Roads may be marked but not graded or paved. And people don't pull over to park---they stop in the middle of the street and wait for police if there has been a wreck! I could write a whole thread on this topic. Suffice it to say that if you've never traveled outside of North America and Western Europe, you are in store for a real shock. Perhaps literally, since in China the utility poles are often strung with what we consider to be ....extension cord! Ever seen a fusebox for a home made out of wood and canvas? That's standard in developing countries. Oh, and get used to not drinking any water you didn't personally boil first.

6. Lack of corruption and violence. I have never been asked to pay a bribe in the US, or needed to offer one. I HAVE done that in the ME and Latin America. To get my passport back from a cop, to cross a bridge, to visit a museum that was "closed to rich americans," etc. And violence. Someone mentioned South Africa; but you need to know that Capetown was the murder capital of the world for several years, and may still be. Remember how difficult it was for the government of Aruba to investigate a murder? Did I mention that in a lot of the world, you are guilty until proven innocent. Or that you have to pay for your own food in most foreign jails. If no one on the outside buys food, guess what happens to you. Go on, guess.

7. Less racism and xenophobia. I know, I know, Americans are the most horrible racists---TV says so. But I've never seen anyone beaten and hospitalized here because they spoke with an accent. Happens all the time elsewhere. I refrain from ranking other countries, because such a sweeping generalization would be pointless. Suffice it to say that if you are Anglo, you will never be accepted in Mexico. I mean that you will never be able to legally become a Mexican citizen, and will not be allowed to own property---you'll have to pay an attorney to own it for you. If you spend time in France on business, prepare for verbal abuse if you speak with what they consider an american accent. They wont care how much you hate your homeland; you'll always be an American in their eyes, regardless of how long ago you burnt your passport.

And that's just for starters

Again, why don't you take a couple of vacations, instead of risking your life and future on a decision where you don't know many of the ramifcations.

I had made plans to retire in Brazil and all that was needed was $50,000 but THE BULLY USA forced these countries to up this to a ridiculous increase SO ONLY THE RICH CAN RELOCATE and this happened just over the last two or three years because in the history of the USA this is the first time MORE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THAN COMING TO AMERICA.
Brazil went from $50,000us to almost $100,000us with the usa currency exchange and the dollar decreasing.
Costa Rica went from $20,000 to $200,000 seems fair no?
The USA is trying to bully the other countries so Americans can't leave (hum sound familiar with another country in the 30's and 40's)
In Costa Rica there are farms and communities that work together and live off the land and told the USA F off i don't want or need your enslaving country and in fact live a whole lot happier than the Human Resources in the USA.
I use to be married and lived in Panama and this increased dramatically also and i use to feed my wife's family of 5 people for $10 and you could actually drink the water from the tap and fruits just growing on the trees with the biggest danger of coconuts falling on your head.
Also when you buy a house you don't pay taxes until after the 30yr mortgage is paid off but hey the USA is the best because they keep you burdened with mortgage payment and taxes.
Nor did we have to pay for water or garbage or have POLICE EVER HARASS PEOPLE FOR HANGING OUT OR ANY BULLYING OR BRUTALITY WHATSOEVER. I can go on but i don't want to make the USA look even worse or make Panama out to be paradise but there's something called "LA VIDA PURA" which means the pure or good life and how much does this cost in the good ole US of C (corporations)
SWEAR ON MY FATHER'S GRAVE ON THE FOLLOWING.
I got bit by something in Panama while jogging and not sure but i got very very sick and had a red line going from my ankle to my groin and realized something was very wrong so my wife took me to her doctor (i had no insurance) and he told me if i waited one more day i would be dead so he gave me shots and i had to get medicine and get a shot in the butt for the next two weeks everyday. TOTAL COST FOR ALL THIS $45 in 2005.
Hum how much you think it would cost me in the USA with no insurance (that's even i could get medical attention with no insurance let alone go and get right in and be taken care of) and so it appears that the USA is not the best money can buy for medical care. If this happened in the USA i would be bankrupt and in debt for the best if not rest of my life but ALL YOU BLIND USA HUMAN RESOURCES KEEP THINKING THIS IS THE BEST COUNTRY TO LIVE IN AND WHILE YOU'RE IN SLAVERY GETTING VACCINES AND A MEDICINE CABINET FULL OF DRUGS THAT KEEP YOU IN DEBT there are others that have no money but have a lot better life than most here. They have less but are happier and get more out of life.
So why you in the USA die at 50, 60 or hopped up on drugs and life support so the AMA can get as much from you before their Human Resource is dead i will be living in a much worse country than the good ole US of C and being very miserable.

reply to post by angrydog


there are ships in every country. but look for who you can affect who ,may believe you first. I have a religious family and a fanatic father .I thought that I could never change his mind. but with more work it is changing a bit and I hope it would change more.

don't give up.

foreign people would hardly believe you but there are options for roaming to another country :

1.a country with more job and enlightenment opportunity ( they are mostly like America )
2.a country with less ships ( job opportunities are less

reply to post by dr_strangecraft


you are wrong about asking permission to buy property overseas
Please live in the country before you say what they are about
I have traveled extensively and lived overseas and sorry but YOU ARE WRONG!!!
I lived in Brazil and can buy property any where or any time i choose and also lived in Panama and the same.
I can go there today and buy whatever and i'm not a resident of the country so pls do not add to the disinfo on here!!
I also traveled to Europe and in Denmark and Sweden they have less but a lot better quality of life?
Costa Rica is 100 times better than the USA for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and quality of life and it is not the 50's, 60's and 70's in the USA anymore and if you haven't noticed it use to be great in the USA but to say it is the best place i suggest you travel with me to Brazil or Costa Rica or Panama and I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU SO I CAN INDEED BACK THIS UP.
Sure you can have a good life and a good time in the USA if you got the money but let me show you how to live among (not above) the people and live and be happy on $100 a week, try doing that here.
LIKE THEY SAY IN BRAZIL "AT LEAST OUR KIDS CAN GO TO SCHOOL WITHOUT BEING GUNNED DOWN CAN THE USA SAY THIS AND HOW MANY TIMES IN THE USA HAS THERE BEEN A SCHOOL SHOOTING VS IN SOUTH AMERICA??"
JUST BECAUSE THE USA IS BETTER AT HUSHING UP THEIR MURDERS, PROBLEMS, POVERTY, CORRUPTION, EVIL WAYS AND HIDING THIS FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN'T MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST.
IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE OVERSEAS TRULY BELIEVE THERE IS NO POVERTY OR HOMELESS IN THE MOST POWERFUL AND RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND THEY ALL THINK EVERY AMERICAN HAS A BIG HOUSE AND NICE CARS AND IN NEED OF NOTHING.
BTW EVERY WHERE I TRAVEL I EDUCATE THE PEOPLE OVERSEAS TO THE TRUE AMERICA AND HOW OUR VOTING REALLY WORKS.
THE US OF C CAN NO LONGER HIDE THE TRUTH AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS COUNTRY IS THEE MOST CORRUPT AND MOST DANGEROUS AND IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE WORLD.

Who am I kidding... my broke@ss aint going anywhere.

I'm stuck fighting the good fight with some of you guys.

See ya on the battlefield


America is about to go on a bumpy ride... It's kind of like a Roller Coaster... we keep slowly climbing and climbing, and then were gonna go straight down... I just hope we survive the roller coaster because the ride hasn't even started yet... 9/11 was just walking through the front gate, we haven't even gotten in our seats yet.


Maybe I can just find a way to get out of the city... that's probably the best i can hope for.

Europe isn't much better so don't bother thinking about coming here........although Australia seems good.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the original poster has never been outside of the USA for an extended period of time, or lived in a single other country for 6 months

been to Jamaica,

lived in Mexico for 2 months.

never been across the Ocean (either of them)... and now seems like a good time.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
I use to post here at ATS all the time... and then I realized there are so many good posters here that I just became a lurker. This is the greatest forum on the internet... there is no doubt about that.

Anyway, recently I got in a argument about 9/11 with a family member and suddenly it dawned on me... There is no hope for this country. Yes, people are waking up, but not the right people. I don't care if somebody like Charlie Sheen is awake... I need somebody like Michael Jordan to be awake.... somebody with some credibility.

The 9/11 truth movement lost... We failed.

And because we failed, I'm going to do what somebody suggested and leave this country, and when I leave, I don't want to come back, and I don't want to move somewhere close to this place like Canada or Mexico. I want to go to somewhere far like Germany or Australia... just get me out of this nation filled with sheep.

I don't want to pay taxes to fund this military, and I don't want any American corporation to make one more dollar from me so long as the official story of 9/11 is supported by the masses.

This county just flat out sucks... the other day I was watching the Oscars and I was literally sick to my stomach.
We are a nation that does nothing but worship idols. Look, i can go on and on and on... I'm sure this nothing new to ATS... I just need a place to vent right now.

Again... thank you ATS for letting me know that not everybody in this country is blind... but the truth is all we are doing is talking, we aren't doing any action... Well for me personally it's time for some action. Enough Talk already... and unless somebody can convince me otherwise, the only logical action to take right now is to pack my bags and leave this country for good.

thanks for reading.

edit on 1-3-2011 by Doomsday 2029 because: (no reason given)

At risk of opening myself up to all types of flaming, I did it. I left the country for western Europe 2 1/2 years ago because I saw what was happening. I pay LESS in income taxes, the cost of living is about equal. Housing is expensive, though. I get BETTER healthcare without mortgaging my house. I have not been discriminated against. Rather, I find that I get treated very welll because I am a novelty. Starting a new life is EXTREMELY hard, though. You have to have someone to help you or it is almost impossible to navigate the burocracy in a different country.

Why did I do this? My children. I did not want to have to worry about them being in the middle of a civil war that I truly feel is inevitable and will be very nasty if it does indeed happen. I miss the US dearly, but our lives are insane. We live to work, we are spoiled, we have no patience. Would the country survivie if Wal mart was not open 24 hours a day 7 days a week?

We hate the French because they are arrogant and opinionated - but are we as a people any different? We base our opinions of the rest of the world without really having a clue what we are basing them ON. Open your eyes, folks. We throw around the socialist comment for all other governments. If you look at our government of today with the eyes we had 30 years ago you would be screaming COMMUNIST.

Don't let door hit you in the ass on your way out.

It always amazes me, that people expect others to fight their fights for them.

If you don't like the country, you can leave, or you can make a stand.

If more people had the courage to make a stand, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

reply to post by xavi1000


Its worse than you think, even if they can recount the details, their level of awareness is simple beyond what you can even imagine. What makes matters worse, is that 9/10 times, those that do have increaced awareness turn to the side of selfishness and desire, and usually end up falling into a state of emotional primitivity. Its the reason why this world is ruled by sociopaths. If you give the average person the level of knowledge and awareness that you or I have, they will use it for thier own benefit, they won't go out and try to wake people up...