Thousands of soldiers to be trained to run prisons as the Government prepares for strikes

I would like to believe that throughout the course of the strike no settlement could be reached and the government could simply keep the prisons under military rule. This will not happen of course because I think the reality is as many have pointed out that this is SOP and probably the most logical choice.

I would like to point out though that if I were part of a faction wishing to stage military coup this would be a good place to begin. Key leaders rile the unions to the point that any agreement would take quite a long while to resolve. Do this among many essential public services and keep it up until you have loyal military running the nation's infrastructure. Once you have achieved this you are essentially in control. Not only do you out gun everyone else but you also now run all essential services. The military men would continue to serve out of either a sense of doing the right thing (Helping against the Communist Unions) or out of a legitimate fear that if they didn't their families health and well being would be in jeopardy.

Again probably not going to happen but a great plan!

reply to post by budski


tho going by where the country could be heading, and the potential of recreating the oil crisis/strikes of the 70s (perhaps not to the same level, but the specter is there) I am sure the military would provide much needed support to keep the nation going while we resolve the issue of the nation being run for numerous years by tosspots

Originally posted by Jinglelord
I would like to believe that throughout the course of the strike no settlement could be reached and the government could simply keep the prisons under military rule. This will not happen of course because I think the reality is as many have pointed out that this is SOP and probably the most logical choice.

I would like to point out though that if I were part of a faction wishing to stage military coup this would be a good place to begin. Key leaders rile the unions to the point that any agreement would take quite a long while to resolve. Do this among many essential public services and keep it up until you have loyal military running the nation's infrastructure. Once you have achieved this you are essentially in control. Not only do you out gun everyone else but you also now run all essential services. The military men would continue to serve out of either a sense of doing the right thing (Helping against the Communist Unions) or out of a legitimate fear that if they didn't their families health and well being would be in jeopardy.

Again probably not going to happen but a great plan!

Apart from the fact that if military leaders had anything to do with anything, they would immediately make us a military state, in all but name.

That hasn't worked out very well for any country that has ever tried it.

Interesting...you would be suprised to find out where, and how many prisons we run internationally with soldiers as well as paid military contractors. We have many in the M.E....even some in Mexico and Central America. I know this because I have family who does it. It is supposed to be a "behind the curtain" kind of ordeal so they make it seem. I dont know, I dont really care either. Interesting that it could be on our soil now.

In America, there is a law, called Posse Commitatus (sic) This rules federal troops cannot be doing this kind of stuff here.
Only state troops could be used for this purpose as they are "reserves" or part time civilian soldiers under state control.
Should FEDERAL troops be used in this capacity, there would be a huge backlash.
In britain where the peoples rights and fredoms are for the most part already abrogated, their army can and will do the job.
I pity the troops though......
And i wonder how many pedophiles would suddenly just die of natural causes.....soldiers is dads too ya know!
Then again what would they do if the soldiers were on strike too?????
Now that would be a real pickle for TPTB>

I hope and pray that the unions, including the prison staff, will all down tools and walk out on a national strike due to the horrific way this corrupt government is treating us but I fear it wont happen... Us brits are simly too polite and compliant to dare stand up against our government. We are the "mustn't grumble" generation who will let our government walk all over us rather than take to the streets and rebel. And even if we did bring the government down who are you going to replace it with? Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron... they all represent different parties yet the policies remain the same. Do you really think Ed Milliband is the answer?

We need a full blown bloody revolution in this country and a new way of doing politics were our representitives can't get away with openly lying to us. Until then it doesn't matter who you vote in. We will all be systematically bent over and buggered by our government until every last penny falls out of our pockets into their coffers.
How on earth did we let this happen to us!? We were once a nation of lions yet now we are little more than slaves who meekly comply no matter how the government treat us.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I can assure you if they are running the jails there is going to be a good deal of lock down times and head counts conducted...just like the military shouldn't be policing nor should they be jail guards..understood that there is no choice but i don't recommend termination even though in their contract they are not allowed to strike but holding their paychecks for the days missed should be fairly effective...I know when you are taken off of payroll you don't accrue sick time/vaccation time for that month and your seniority time obviously stops which translates into extra time before your normal retirement...it would be a huge mistake for them to strike..they are hired to do a serious job and they like the police, fire and emt's need to stay above the fray...public safety comes first regarding this and solidarity should take a back seat with respect to supporting union brothers...be different if they were working for a newspaper company or a coke or pepsi company..strike away...

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


It happened because we got greedy and we cater to either one side or the other...don't you think things would change a bit if everyone denounced their party affiliation? Everyone register independent...you don't think they would crap their pants...this is everyones fault and we are all to blame...we are like kids in the candy store we just don't know when enough is enough

Originally posted by TheAnuraOne
DD, I more often than not like your threads/replies. They're different just like I am.

Seriously though, do you really believe this crap?

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I'm not sure if its a Pavlovian response, but every time I see dimensional detectives threads and the neo picture my hand automatically flags and stars, its as if my body knows before my mind its going to be a good thread.

I'm not seeing it that way. Government Unions (because of Jimmy Carter) dont have the same collective bargening power that other unions have....They cant strike for instance. The postal workers cant strike. The unions of government only settle personel issues...I think we will start seeing the posture of Ronald Reagen with the Air Traffic controlers..."strike and your fired.".....for good or for bad, thats the way I see it...Is America going to all of the sudden get a back bone? I dont think so....Is the American Dream just a dream...more and more Americans are "waking up" to that very fact....my story is a "rags to riches to rags" story....I am the American Home Builder 0.0000 job protection

reply to post by stirling


Sadly stirling, the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act that bush signed in 2007 can, upon the presidents discretion, suspend the posse commitatus act.

SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.
(a) Use of the Armed Forces Authorized-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 333 of title 10, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
`Sec. 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law
`(a) Use of Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies-
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to–
`(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that–
`(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
`(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
`(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
`(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that–
`(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
`(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
`(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
`(b) Notice to Congress- The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.’.
(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE- Section 334 of such title is amended by inserting `or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws’ after `insurgents’.

So pretty much whatever the president deems an uprising or insurrection, he can employ any troops he desires.

What is maddening is the fact that 10000+ people march on the capitol about union disputes in Wisconsin but things like this go unnoticed and unopposed by the masses.

Silver

reply to post by S1LV3R4D0


and to add that Exectutive Orders can CAN not WILL circumvent Constitution...lets hope not,but jeezoo if Americans do get a backbone "Dont Tread on Me" look out...Some of the Jews in the time of WW2 took a picknic basket and escaped to Austria? so as not to draw attention to them selves. Will it come to covert ways to avoid the masses and being linked to movements....any deeper they will move my post to "those people"

Originally posted by stirling
In britain where the peoples rights and fredoms are for the most part already abrogated, their army can and will do the job.

This is completely ill-informed rubbish.

The army would do the job because they are the only logical choice to handle a situation such as covering for striking prison staff.

You already mentioned earlier that the state troopers would cover this in the USA. The UK is not a federal country, and consequently we don't have state police forces. The only realistic option for manning the prisons would be the police or army.

The police are short in numbers as it is, and they are needed on a daily basis, whereas the army and the TA ( those who aren't fighting in unjust wars at the behest of the Americans ) are always available for emergency short-term involvement without causing any major problems by missing a few days of their ordinary soldiering.

If you weren't a federal country, then you would also use the army for reasons such as this, unless you could spare several thousand feds. So please get down from your high-horse.