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Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by freedish
But do you think these employees 'enjoy' feeling up disgusting people all day? ........um doubtful
Since they seem to pick and choose people to frisk, can they not just chose NOT to feel up a 4 year old or an old man and break his colostomy sac?... Do they really think those two are a real threat while others are just waved through? Most cases many people are just waved on through and they spot pick victims.
So why are they targeting little kids and old men and women. Why do they make a woman remove a breast prosthesis in public view so that even a news team caught it and made it national news?
I guess the old man had nitro in that colostomy bag, the woman had C4 in the prosthesis and the 4 year old kids leg brace were disguised gun parts.
The terrorist have won... we are afraid of our own shadows.
And I am willing to bet we are pointing our finger at the wrong group when we say 'terrorist'
I've heard this several times now in this thread, and I'm at a loss as to the relevance of whether they "like" doing it or not. Exactly why does that matter? They are DOING it. Is that not quite enough?
Then bring the fire on. The sooner it comes to a head and reaches resolution, the better. So, yeah, one way or the other it can solve the problem. If they'd rather fight than stop the violation, then I'm sure Americans can accommodate that.
A variant of the "I was just following orders, Your Honor" defense. It's not sufficient, especially in light of the fact that they can STOP following illegal orders at any point in time.
Yes. I did. Not this precise situation, but it still wasn't right, so I walked.
To NOT take the actions attributed to the restaurant falls under the heading of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy". make no mistake about it, violating rights by government personnel, especially on this widespread of a basis, places them FIRMLY in the enemy camp. You've heard the oath - "...defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC". You know, if the US were invaded by anyone, even aliens, tomorrow, I wouldn't be taking THEM a plate of brownies and blankets either, and this is no different. When folks start trampling your rights, they are no longer friends.
Originally posted by freedish
And our troops are killing & illegaly searching innocents in Afghanistan, should we refuse to serve them food too? (Some of those troops DO enjoy killing innocents.)
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by freedish
And our troops are killing & illegaly searching innocents in Afghanistan, should we refuse to serve them food too? (Some of those troops DO enjoy killing innocents.)
So we should treat those ones as Heros protecting our safety?
Originally posted by freedish
And our troops are killing & illegaly searching innocents in Afghanistan, should we refuse to serve them food too? (Some of those troops DO enjoy killing innocents.)
Then bring the fire on. The sooner it comes to a head and reaches resolution, the better. So, yeah, one way or the other it can solve the problem. If they'd rather fight than stop the violation, then I'm sure Americans can accommodate that.
Well I guess that's your opinion. I don't think anything good will come from these types of dissension.
A variant of the "I was just following orders, Your Honor" defense. It's not sufficient, especially in light of the fact that they can STOP following illegal orders at any point in time.
So a giant majority of the country is following illegal orders...hmm including cops and troops, government officials and some doctors...well I guess you're right then it isn't a government problem. Since people are ultimately the source of these violations of our rights then maybe it's a people problem?
I said: "Sure they could quit their jobs, but would you?"
Yes. I did. Not this precise situation, but it still wasn't right, so I walked.
Looks like your manager or whoever is part of the problem i mentioned above.
To NOT take the actions attributed to the restaurant falls under the heading of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy". make no mistake about it, violating rights by government personnel, especially on this widespread of a basis, places them FIRMLY in the enemy camp. You've heard the oath - "...defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC". You know, if the US were invaded by anyone, even aliens, tomorrow, I wouldn't be taking THEM a plate of brownies and blankets either, and this is no different. When folks start trampling your rights, they are no longer friends.
Oh is that right? So then I guess every restaurant in America that isn't doing this should be charged under high treason and declared an enemy of the state...because they are also "giving aid and comfort to the enemy". Maybe we should just go ahead and bomb the TSA agency too.
Do you realize how ridiculous your logic is?
IF your going to be a dissenter, do it intelligently. Blind hatred is ignorance. Deny it.
It may assist you to gain some familiarity with what's actually going on in Afghanistan before attempting to draw that invalid comparison.
There were people who thought like that during the Revolutionary war, too. They were called "Tories". Had we listened to them, you would still be paying a hefty tax to the Queen on every cup of tea you drink, and begging Her Majesty's leave to do so.
How did the TSA suddenly morph into "a giant majority of the country"?
Problem solved.
Argumentum ad Absurtium. You accuse ME of having flaws in my logic?
See above.
Nice. Use a catch-phrase if you have no logical argument. What "blind hatred" are you accusing me of?
Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by nenothtu
It may assist you to gain some familiarity with what's actually going on in Afghanistan before attempting to draw that invalid comparison.
Look up wikileaks war diaries...that's all I gotta say about that.
There were people who thought like that during the Revolutionary war, too. They were called "Tories". Had we listened to them, you would still be paying a hefty tax to the Queen on every cup of tea you drink, and begging Her Majesty's leave to do so.
So what? We traded one tyrant for an even bigger one. And I rather enjoy the English accent.
How did the TSA suddenly morph into "a giant majority of the country"?
I exaggerated a bit....but did you read the rest of the paragraph...?
Argumentum ad Absurtium. You accuse ME of having flaws in my logic?
just goin by your own logic buddy.
You said: "to NOT take the actions attributed to the restaurant falls under the heading of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"
so by your own logic any restaurant that doesn't take similar actions of this one is "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"...
Nice. Use a catch-phrase if you have no logical argument. What "blind hatred" are you accusing me of?
Your hatred of the TSA has no direction, plan, or logic. -Any- savage act done against this group is deemed good by you, regardless of it's impact. Seems blind to me.
Think about your protests, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you just trying to piss off regular government workers? If so then this restaurant should hire you!
Or are you actually trying to change the corrupt system. I agree it has to start somewhere, but refusing to serve food to TSA agents is just a bad start imo.
Here's an idea: you and some friends march down to the TSA headquarters and strip to your boxers and march around the building blocking all entrances.
So my point still stands, then.
Question: how are our troops illegally searching innocents? Why do you stress innocents here, as if that's ALL, or even the majority, of what the troops are doing? You've heard the terms "war", "insurgency", "insurgent" and "Taliban" mentioned, haven't you?
What is the comparison, logically, between what the TSA does, with NO ONE shooting at them, and what the troops do, with SOMEONE shooting at them?
There were people who thought like that during the Revolutionary war, too. They were called "Tories". Had we listened to them, you would still be paying a hefty tax to the Queen on every cup of tea you drink, and begging Her Majesty's leave to do so.
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Head east, turn left when you get to Spain. Then everyone is happy. See ya!
Yes. Found no substance therein, only argumentum ad Absurdum.
Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by nenothtu
So my point still stands, then.
um.....no?
in case you forgot, these were your words:
Question: how are our troops illegally searching innocents? Why do you stress innocents here, as if that's ALL, or even the majority, of what the troops are doing? You've heard the terms "war", "insurgency", "insurgent" and "Taliban" mentioned, haven't you?
What is the comparison, logically, between what the TSA does, with NO ONE shooting at them, and what the troops do, with SOMEONE shooting at them?
The problem here is that you actually think everyone in afghanistan is 'Taliban' or an 'insurgent'
If you did some research we could end this retarded discussion. I used to be ignorant like you until I stopped being spoon fed by the media.
Again, look up wikileaks war diaries or "Restrepo' (restrepothemovie.com...) and you'll see how many kids and women and innocent, non-violent people have been killed and searched.
Originally posted by freedish
And our troops are killing & illegaly searching innocents in Afghanistan, should we refuse to serve them food too? (Some of those troops DO enjoy killing innocents.)
There were people who thought like that during the Revolutionary war, too. They were called "Tories". Had we listened to them, you would still be paying a hefty tax to the Queen on every cup of tea you drink, and begging Her Majesty's leave to do so.
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Head east, turn left when you get to Spain. Then everyone is happy. See ya!
What an ignorant response.
And what good has come of the revolutionary war?
Are we really better off then England?
Aren't we still paying taxes for tea? Not only that but state tax, fed tax, property tax, med tax, ss tax... And do you know how many people had to die so we could have this 'freedom'?
You're an idiot, lets just agree to disagree. K, bye.
I note there that you make no allowance for any possibilities other than "innocents". Not "how many", the contention you make is that ALL are "innocent".
Good move trying to shift the discussion form your uncomfortable inability to explain why SEARCHES over there are "illegal" (per your exact statement, and what I questioned), to "killings" now. Inadequate, but a nice try all the same.
Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by nenothtu
Let me point out that we are getting extremely off topic, and most of this could easily be resolved if you typed in google "wikileaks Afghan War Diary"
I did not say that they are ONLY killing innocents...rather innocents ARE being killed. It's a FACT. Dur.
Originally posted by freedish
And our troops are killing & illegaly searching innocents in Afghanistan, should we refuse to serve them food too? (Some of those troops DO enjoy killing innocents.)
i'm not shifting anything except my brain trying to figure out where you're coming up with these odd conclusions?
Wasn't avoiding anything...I answered the question by stating that not everyone in afghanistan is a freaking taliban enemy man...I guess you can't wrap your head around that?
There are numerous illegal searches on citizens who are 'suspected' Taliban. Soldiers make mistakes....people who are INNOCENT are searched even if they are NOT part of the extremist jihad. They are regularly searched. and Guess what that's exactly what TSA Does to us! Uh oh, someone is right
Us searching the homes of afghan citizens would be like if KKK attacked Nigeria and Nigeria decided to invade America and search your home because they suspected you of being in the KKK.
How is some afghan farmer with a pitchfork gonna argue with a rifle wielding soldier?
If a US soldier wants to search their land they can and will.
And again this whole freaking argument would be resolved if you just took my damn advice and looked up wiki war diaries. Anytime there is a search, a killing, shots fired, ANYTHING that happens is recorded by the officers and put into a database. Guess what? The information IS ON WIKILEAKS. But you choose not to look there
LOL. So fine, stay ignorant, its your choice man, but I'm done arguing with you b/c you are frustrating the daylights outa me.
BTW I highly doubt you've been to Afghanistan.
"Ignorant". Personal attack again. Nice. Got anything germane to the discussion at hand?
lmao you were the one who insulted me when you said
Head east, turn left when you get to Spain. Then everyone is happy. See ya!
oh and this
You apparently aren't encumbered with any such sentiment.
...hypocritical much?
Depend on your viewpoint, I reckon. From my perspective, that's a grand YES. From yours, apparently, not so much so.
I bet you'd change your mind if you fought in that war and saw your brothers and father die. At that point a little tea tax aint so bad....and were still paying taxes....so was it worth all those deaths?
I give no money to any foreign crowns
Guess how much crap we buy from China?
And oil too.
Oh the ignorance....
Lol except I've answered every one of them.........so......................