Free Energy Produced - Einstein Proven Wrong Again

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I second this notion. Claiming "independent validation" and then sourcing from BLP's website is not independent validation.

This is what never makes any sense about these so-called "independent validation" claims from free energy scammers. As if some legit lab will run some tests and go "yup, over-unity alright. Well, that's the laws of physics as we know them shattered. What's up next? Oh yeah, I need to do some safety testing for that toaster. Should be able to get it done before lunch".

It gets worse. Apparently BLP have secured another $11 million in funding from people who just cannot stop throwing their money away.

www.e-catworld.com...

Posted on the BLP website today is the following statement:

“On July 31, 2014, BlackLight Power closed on $11 M in private equity financing that was oversubscribed by $1 M.”

Has the entire human race gone mad?

a reply to: Rob48

blacklight CLAIM to have this aledged 11million investment

now lets see what excuses transpire

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: ignorant_ape

I have actually had some answers to my questions direct from Randell Mills.

Apparently the "solid fuel" is a slurry which is driven through the cell by rapidly rotating roller electrodes. These recycle, recharge and compress the fuel and feed it into the cell. Apparently there needs to be enough fuel to cover a 30-second recharge cycle, so this amounts to about 150 kg for the 10 MW cell.

If you refer to the specs, this solid fuel has a density of 5 g / cm³, this means that there has to be 1 litre of solid fuel slurry being pumped through the cell every second, equally divided into 2,000 "aliquots". And remember, if I might be forgiven for mixing my units, the actual "fuel cell" only has a volume of 1 cubic foot.

As for the heat issue, this is all dealt with by forced-water cooling which is built into the off-the-shelf PV cells. Apparently there are units in the field that deal with this sort of waste heat, so it's no problem at all.

For reference, this is a 53 kW concentrator photovoltaic system at 500-suns intensity:

Those numbers don't look right to me.

They are looking to build a 2000 hz system discharging at 1000 suns intensity, which is the max the concentrators can do at the moment.

A note on recent solar cell developments:

While Greentech Media has observed Demi Moore's law in c-Si progress, Sabnis asserts that M-J solar cells are more able to harness a Moore's law cost and performance progress. He notes that Solar Junction can get two kilowatts from one 4-inch wafer under concentration at 1000 suns and could produce 200 megawatts of power from its relatively small factory floor if fully populated with equipment.

Since we know Mills powder can produce the light at the required intensity, simple math says his device will work exactly as claimed.

Say Mills uses a stacked array with a surface area of 60 square feet. That gives 8640 square inches / 4 = 2160 * 2kw = 4.3 megawatts. About a quarter of what a small nuclear power plant could do.

Of course Mills system will cost a thousandth of what a nuclear plant would, and it can fit into the back of a car.

As for the 5g per cubic centimeter, that's not the actual amount of fuel that gets discharged at any one time.

Documents call for 200 mg x 2000 Hz of fuel flow for the 10 megawatt version across 10 cm diameter rollers, see page 60:

www.blacklightpower.com...

So they need to move 400 grams of fuel per second (24 kilograms per minute) or 12 kilograms for a 30 second cycle. However, this is still an overestimate because once the fuel is exploded it weighs less because it has no more water in it. I think a half kilogram slurry per second is easily within the realm of possibility.

a reply to: Rob48
Thanks for posting the announcement.

I don't believe in the mythical "hydrinos" that their technology was supposed to be based on, but I thought this was interesting from their link:

they have now have a technological solution using the Sun Cell system which uses photovoltaic conversion system

Companies do make photovoltaic cells without using hydrinos, so now I'm wondering what kind of photovoltaic cells they're talking about. Still, if an investor wants to invest in a photovoltaic cell maker, and there should be some good technologies to invest in coming up, I'd still advise staying away from any company talking about "hydrinos", like BLP.

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
Since we know Mills powder can produce the light at the required intensity,

We do not know that at all, that is a claim he makes that has not been properly tested...

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Rob48
Thanks for posting the announcement.

I don't believe in the mythical "hydrinos" that their technology was supposed to be based on, but I thought this was interesting from their link:

they have now have a technological solution using the Sun Cell system which uses photovoltaic conversion system

Companies do make photovoltaic cells without using hydrinos, so now I'm wondering what kind of photovoltaic cells they're talking about. Still, if an investor wants to invest in a photovoltaic cell maker, and there should be some good technologies to invest in coming up, I'd still advise staying away from any company talking about "hydrinos", like BLP.

Their fuel explodes at 50,000 suns intensity in the millisecond range with the same spectrum as sunlight.

The system works by continuously exploding fuel to drive a solar array.

This is a test version at 30 hz:


The final version will operate at 2000 hz. So imagine that operating at nearly 70 times that speed.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
Since we know Mills powder can produce the light at the required intensity,

We do not know that at all, that is a claim he makes that has not been properly tested...

You keep repeating this as if it's going to magically make all of the third party university lab tests disappear from existence.

I have a quick question about the videos...actually one of my kids had this question, and I'm kind of shocked that the simplicity of it didn't dawn on me earlier.

If the device is producing light at 50,000 times the intensity of the sun...how is it being recorded?

Even the highest end cameras struggle to record the less than 1 sun intensity we receive on good old terra firma...well, without special lenses, that, based on the appearance of those around the box, are not being used.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

It's meant to be "plasma" so why is it clearly scattering solid sparks like a cheap firework?

Answer: because it is burning metal and BLP are still peddling the same fraud they have been pushing since the 1990s.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Straight from the horse's mouth, they are using off-the-shelf concentrator PV cells. They include some manufacturers' brochures in their PDF sheet.

They also claim to be cramming almost 700 square feet of them into a box that would fit in my wardrobe. And dissipating more waste heat in an hour than my house consumes in a year.

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
You keep repeating this as if it's going to magically make all of the third party university lab tests disappear from existence.

Please link us to these independent "third party university lab tests"....

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist

As for the 5g per cubic centimeter, that's not the actual amount of fuel that gets discharged at any one time.

Documents call for 200 mg x 2000 Hz of fuel flow for the 10 megawatt version across 10 cm diameter rollers, see page 60:

www.blacklightpower.com...

So they need to move 400 grams of fuel per second (24 kilograms per minute) or 12 kilograms for a 30 second cycle. However, this is still an overestimate because once the fuel is exploded it weighs less because it has no more water in it. I think a half kilogram slurry per second is easily within the realm of possibility.

Check again. You don't understand the figures.

5g/cm^3 is the DENSITY of the fuel.

And 400g per second is the fuel flow for the prototype.

The claimed 10 MW specs call for a solid fuel flow of 5 KILOGRAMS per second, as I stated.

As for "weighing less because there is no water in it after the explosion", the amount of water consumed is supposedly only 9 MILLILITRES per second. So okay, 9 grams divided by 5000 grams, that's a reduction in mass of 0.18%. That makes all the difference!



They also claim that despite the plasma burning with the power of 50,000 suns, the operating temperature is less than 100°C.

Seriously this is such transparent hokum it is totally laughable.

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist


Their fuel explodes at 50,000 suns intensity in the millisecond range with the same spectrum as sunlight.

The system works by continuously exploding fuel to drive a solar array.

I didn't read the whole thread cus it's so old and i'm sure lots have changed.. but are you telling me..

This is all about a system that can use fule to produce a very intense light that will then feed solar arrays? In other words it's just a a way to create an artificial sun to power the solar arrays?

So.. where do we get this "fuel" from.. we buy it from the Blacklight company or does this machine actually produce it out of nothingness.. I know whats going out of the machine, I am asking what is going into the machine to make this reaction happen?

Is the consumer expected to purchase the fuel and machine (individual energy) or is this another type of power plant that will simply charge folks to use by switching from the electric company they are with now to the Blacklight power plant?

a reply to: JohnPhoenix

The "solid fuel" is actually claimed to be a catalyst so it isn't consumed. It's basically a metal powder that gets "charged up" with water. And the water is the only thing that gets consumed: 9 ml per second, or about 32 litres per hour for a 10 MW device.

They claim it can be endlessly recycled, but the videos they show pretty obviously depict metal being burnt in the presence of hydrogen, so that is to be taken with a big pinch of whatever chemical you like.


Look, all you really need to do is read this:

Cranbury, NJ, USA -- BlackLight Power Inc. announced Wednesday the successful testing of a new energy source. The company has successfully developed a prototype power system generating 50,000 watts of thermal power on demand.
The company is presently in discussion with various engineering and manufacturing firms to to prepare this 50 kW unit for commercial production.

Basically the same story — "it works and we are about to commercialise" — but that is from May 2008.

It's vapourware.

a reply to: Rob48


You're looking at the Fuel Mass Flow rate, which is not what you think it is:

www.grc.nasa.gov...

The Fuel Volume Flow rate is the amount of liquid (water, gas etc) that passes through an area per unit time. The volume flow rate formula is: Volume flow rate = flow area * flow velocity, which is posted as 1000 cubic centimeters per second.

I don't see moving 1000 cubic centimeters of fuel per second as being some kind of enormous obstacle that can't be overcome. Keep in mind that's for the 10 megawatt version. Even if they can only achieve 1 megawatt, that still completely changes the world. 10 megawatts is enough to power a city.

originally posted by: peck420
I have a quick question about the videos...actually one of my kids had this question, and I'm kind of shocked that the simplicity of it didn't dawn on me earlier.

If the device is producing light at 50,000 times the intensity of the sun...how is it being recorded?

Even the highest end cameras struggle to record the less than 1 sun intensity we receive on good old terra firma...well, without special lenses, that, based on the appearance of those around the box, are not being used.

They are only burning like a 100 micrograms of fuel at 30 hz in this test case. It's not going to produce the blinding light of a production reactor, which is where the 50,000 suns calculation comes from.

a reply to: Rob48
those are lathe motors in the box, attached to grinding wheels? a spot/tap welding rig in the background and a mechanics led lamp on top of the box with an extraction pipe inset and black smoke from the grinded metal, steel judging from the colour of the sparks.

originally posted by: suicideeddie
a reply to: Rob48
those are lathe motors in the box, attached to grinding wheels? a spot/tap welding rig in the background and a mechanics led lamp on top of the box with an extraction pipe inset and black smoke from the grinded metal, steel judging from the colour of the sparks.

They are testing on a commercial welder, but they aren't using grinding wheels. Here's a better view in a different test case:



You also get a better idea of just how bright those discharges are in this one.

Ok. So the principle is hydrogen = hydrino + photon( what is the process? )
Table top model = 10 Mw of cold light ( how so ? )
Independent lab tests = Check ( where are these reports ? )
Technology = Check ( but understandably patent app refused )
Time Frame = Flexible or perpetual

Now what all of the above adds up?

Anyone?