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Originally posted by GhostLancer
A CALL FOR CIVILITY.
ATS is here for a civil discussion of ideas. Generally, we are all here because we have OPEN MINDS, right? The *average* person doesn't even know about ATS. The *average* person is wined, dined and entertained by mainstream media in all it's colorful, alluring forms... right?
The fact that someone posts an idea on ATS and invites discussion, debate, clarification and ultimately *ILLUMINATION* should be celebrated. No one knows it all; it's impossible. The truly enlightened minds of our day KNOW this. There's simply too much out there for any ONE person to know; to think otherwise is, well, simply ignorant. Wise people KNOW this. And the fact that we're on ATS at all is evidence of some measure of wisdom, right?
Originally posted by mr10k
Mmm.
Still trolling and we're on page 17 with 150+ replies.
Originally posted by OldThinker
How can the earth be millions of years old and we can't find a tree over 10K yrs old?
I don't know how old the earth is...neither do you friend.
But can't you skeptics just admit this is puzzling to your worldview? I mean many of those that believe in a young earth put it around 10K years old...right in line with the age of this tree in Sweden...
World's Oldest Living Tree -- 9550 Years Old -- Discovered In Sweden
ScienceDaily (Apr. 16, 2008) — The world's oldest recorded tree is a 9,550 year old spruce in the Dalarna province of Sweden. The spruce tree has shown to be a tenacious survivor that has endured by growing between erect trees and smaller bushes in pace with the dramatic climate changes over time.
For many years the spruce tree has been regarded as a relative newcomer in the Swedish mountain region. "Our results have shown the complete opposite, that the spruce is one of the oldest known trees in the mountain range," says Leif Kullman, Professor of Physical Geography at Umeå University.
A fascinating discovery was made under the crown of a spruce in Fulu Mountain in Dalarna. Scientists found four "generations" of spruce remains in the form of cones and wood produced from the highest grounds.
The discovery showed trees of 375, 5,660, 9,000 and 9,550 years old and everything displayed clear signs that they have the same genetic makeup as the trees above them. Since spruce trees can multiply with root penetrating braches, they can produce exact copies, or clones.
The tree now growing above the finding place and the wood pieces dating 9,550 years have the same genetic material. The actual has been tested by carbon-14 dating at a laboratory in Miami, Florida, USA.
Previously, pine trees in North America have been cited as the oldest at 4,000 to 5,000 years old
Source: www.sciencedaily.com...
I want to highlight this line...
The discovery showed trees of 375, 5,660, 9,000 and 9,550 years old and everything displayed clear signs that they have the same genetic makeup as the trees above them.
Notice that the various-aged-trees had the "same genetic make-up" meaning that the basic substances that the each tree were extremely similiar..so why haven't we found older ones with the same make-up....could it be something as simple as the earth wasn't here then?
OT
Originally posted by Shadowfoot
reply to post by OldThinker
Are you trying to posit some judeo-christian world view with this? Well the basic nuts and bolts can be explained by for instance...THE ICE AGE there have been countless. Now hows about the fern? they have been proven to be around for more then a couple 100 million years.
Here's my question to you....what test did they use on the tree in Sweden?...radio carbon dating...ok well in at least as far as that method is valid AND since it is from the same parameters...Radio Carbon dating has found any number of biological life forms that date back 100's of millions of years....yes from right here on this ol earth.
Is it possible carbon dating is flawed?...sure but the inverse of your conjecture subjects itself to the same parameters.
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Because when the earth is rock, and lava and toxic gasses, trees cant grow.......
2nd line
So if this tree is here in one thousand years...would you reply/logic/worldview still fit?
When does your assertion "trees can't grow" start to become a reality?
Originally posted by defcon5
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
There is evidence of trees dating much further back then 10K years, but as any organism on earth, they have a lifespan. With the oldest living tree listed as being 6000 years old (Sunland Baobab). There is plenty of evidence of petrified trees dating back millions of years:
Petrified National Forest
The Petrified Forest is known for its fossils, especially fallen trees, that lived in the Late Triassic, about 225 million years ago.As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
edit on 11/23/2010 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by thedeadtruth
So because the oldest person alive is only about 115, and all our genetic material is almost identical, then I could claim ( using your logic ) that humans have only been around for about that long.
PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE JOKING ??? GOD HELP YOU IF YOU ARE NOT.
My young abb-worshiper...as you grow older you'll find you will become less-confident in your once-held beliefs...mark my words...
And no it is not a joke... it a a simple question...a question man
Put your 2 cents in, bookmark the page....save the old computer....and laugh at yourself in 30 yrs>>>