UPS902 Contrail Science plane theory debunked

UPS902 Contrail Science plane theory debunked

first of all, let's post what Contrail Science
says that the LA Missile video is UPS902.

contrailscience.com...

Ok, u got that ??? OK

In that sequence of events they use
in their simulation to show the location
of the object they use a fake set of photos.
Those photos are scrutinized below.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bf7710c0c2c6.jpg[/atsimg]

and here is the image they used as the background image.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c63906b845ca.jpg[/atsimg]

Please note that the only reason why the gov would want
to fake this is to lure us away from the missile theory.

US Air808 has been debunked

now UPS902 has been debunked

anybody got any other flights they want
us to compare to the LA Missile video???

I'd like to give a big shout out to my cohort
backinblack for his assistance in this debunk.
thanks black

now if u want the real scoop
please see the real thread here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by boondock-saint
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bf7710c0c2c6.jpg[/atsimg]

Disregarding what it is, I have to admit that whoever just posted that information, is completely wrong. If the building, and the cloud were at the same height as the contrail, then we would clearly be seeing what the object is. Sorry, but you havent done anything to disprove the official theory even in the slightest. The science is unbelievably flawed

Thats a pretty weak attempt at debunking. You havent proven anything, just made some accusation which do not look likely.

Oh and you know why the contrail cloud moved, its because of wind and the fact that the world is spinning.

Your gonna have to do better than that.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Thank you Boon...May I also point out to our viewers at home that the long, low whispy cloud to the left of the contrail moves fast to the left with the contrail, while all other normal clouds move slowly to the right...

Lazy pohotoshopping And a dead set giveaway........

S&F.....Dont mess with ATS...........

Is someone gonna call Contrailscience and tell them they've been had????

That link to the "real" thread is a joke as well. Its just speculation, wild unfounded accusations and child like fantasy. The diagram on the first page says it all.

Originally posted by Pryde87
That link to the "real" thread is a joke as well. Its just speculation, wild unfounded accusations and child like fantasy. The diagram on the first page says it all.

yep
it says the UPS902
is bull [snip]

Originally posted by Pryde87
That link to the "real" thread is a joke as well. Its just speculation, wild unfounded accusations and child like fantasy. The diagram on the first page says it all.

Speaking of "Wild Accusations" are you going to prove this thread is wrong or just make "Wild Accusations?"

And may I also point out...for the 3rd time, bleh...Rick's images were edited in Photoshop CS5...please see this post for more information. And why, may I ask, is it fantastical thinking to suspect something that obviously isn't a plane, isn't a plane...geez...

reply to post by backinblack


What is there to disprove?? Hes not given us any sort of scientific input. Just a badly phrased diagram and his opinion

reply to post by OzWeatherman


OZ, your post is a bit confusing but being a weather man maybe you can explain something for me..
In all them pics the clouds move very slowly, except for the long sunlit one down the bottom...

Is there any logical reason for that one cloud moving so fast to the left while all the others (which appear closer) if anything are moving slowly to the right..

Is there some wierd weather pattern to explain that motion??

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Thank you Boon...May I also point out to our viewers at home that the long, low whispy cloud to the left of the contrail moves fast to the left with the contrail, while all other normal clouds move slowly to the right...

Thanks for proving that you nothing about the upper air conditions. You do realise that the wind conditions at 30,000ft, can be in excess of 200knots right? While the surface conditions will be lower

In fact lets take a look at the data from the weather balloons launched that day

1012.0 3 17.4 11.4 68 8.43 325 7 289.6 313.6 291.0
1000.0 107 15.2 11.4 78 8.53 315 7 288.4 312.5 289.8
992.0 175 14.2 11.4 83 8.60 301 8 288.0 312.3 289.5
972.0 347 12.6 11.1 91 8.60 266 11 288.1 312.4 289.6
925.0 767 18.2 6.2 45 6.47 180 17 297.9 317.2 299.1
922.0 795 18.4 4.4 40 5.72 180 18 298.4 315.6 299.4
909.3 914 18.2 0.9 31 4.50 180 23 299.4 313.1 300.2

5th column is wind direction, and sixth column is wind speed. Second column is the height in metres

Now lets take a look at the wind data from 25,000ft and up

308.0 9269 -36.9 -43.9 48 0.25 205 69 330.8 331.8 330.8
300.0 9450 -38.1 -46.1 43 0.20 205 72 331.6 332.4 331.6
295.0 9566 -39.3 -48.3 38 0.16 204 73 331.4 332.1 331.5
270.0 10167 -44.3 -54.3 32 0.09 199 79 332.7 333.1 332.7
251.0 10653 -47.7 -58.7 27 0.06 195 83 334.6 334.9 334.6
250.4 10668 -47.8 -58.8 27 0.05 195 82334.7 334.9 334.7
250.0 10680 -47.9 -58.9 27 0.05 195 83 334.7 335.0 334.7
241.0 10921 -49.7 -60.7 26 0.04 197 81 335.5 335.7 335.6

Notice the 60 knot difference in wind speeds? And the direction, being from the south, which is exactly coiincideds with the direction the trail is moving

Still want to tell us that the cloud should be moving at the same speed as the trail?

Maybe you should learn a little bit about basic met before making such unplausible claims



I bolded the wind speeds and direction so its easier to interpret

reply to post by WhizPhiz


Thats not what I am talking about. Its OK to suspect that its something other than a plane but then to go on a claim:

that its a rocket (fair enough)
that its chinese (no evidence, fantasy)
point out the rocket stages (no evidence, are you a rocket scientist now?)
claim that there were two rockets (no evidence)
identify missile fragments and explosions in a blurry photo (again this is pure fantasy)

To claim these things as fact, is FANTASY. You dont support what you say.
Lets just take the chinese aspect of it first. How on earth can you tell from the contrail that its chinese? Is it because the contrail looks chinesy? Seriously

reply to post by backinblack

Why do so many seemingly intelligent adults have to be reminded daily that clouds can and do move in different directions and different speeds? The atmosphere is not homogenous! Geez, don't you ever just go out and observe weather? You need to. What you describe is absolutely normal.

Originally posted by Pryde87
reply to post by backinblack

 

What is there to disprove?? Hes not given us any sort of scientific input. Just a badly phrased diagram and his opinion

Obviously you dont understand the information OR you don't want to...
I'll ask a simple question then....

Why is a low level cloud moving at the same speed and direction as a contrail at 39000' in 75 knt winds???
That is when ALL other clouds are almost still....
I know, there's a UFO in that cloud...lol

that its chinese (no evidence, fantasy)
point out the rocket stages (no evidence, are you a rocket scientist now?)
claim that there were two rockets (no evidence)
identify missile fragments and explosions in a blurry photo (again this is pure fantasy)

I never said any of those things friend...and I don't think that has been said in this thread either, maybe others...but all I see here is information challenging the official story.

reply to post by WhizPhiz


Yea the OP edited his post and removed the link to the other thread which he wanted to introduce. Its wasnt aimed at you, I was talking about the other thread which he claimed to be the "real" story. Thats the one I was talking about being fantasy

reply to post by backinblack


First of all, you dont know what level the cloud is.
You dont know what speed it is travelling.
You dont know the height of the contrail.
And you dont know the wind speeds present at the contrails height.
And lastly, you dont know the other clouds are still.

Its a photo, you cant take all that information from that photo and base a theory on it. You need to research it better.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Notice the 60 knot difference in wind speeds? And the direction, being from the south, which is exactly coiincideds with the direction the trail is moving

Still want to tell us that the cloud should be moving at the same speed as the trail?

Maybe you should learn a little bit about basic met before making such unplausible claims

but the cloud in the foreground
does not move.

What has happened is the photoshopper
has merged 1 image (foreground) which
does NOT have lots of wind with a theory
that DOES have lots of wind. And they do not
gel together. Having one set of clouds
move briskly and another set right next
to them not move at all. It was a bad
photoshop con job bro. There are fake.

reply to post by boondock-saint

You cannot tell the altitude of the cloud or the contrail. You don't have enough information. Believing you can by a picture or video is just flat-out impossible. The farther away a cloud is, the lower on the horizon. Conversely, the closer the cloud the higher it will appear. It works the same with planes and contrails. Planes look to be flying up on one horizon and down on the other, when they are in fact, maintaining their altitude over a curved earth in curved space.

The fact that all the "missile" PCT's keep ignoring these facts shows that you don't know enough of what you are talking about to have make any kind of logical argument.