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Originally posted by Annee
Here is another interesting take on the Male Contraceptive (should this have its own thread?)
Male Contraceptive Pill Mooted Again, Still a Dreadful Idea
About once every six months there is a breakthrough on the male contraceptive pill. Everyone gets excited for about five minutes, then realizes it's an appalling notion. Here's a reminder why.
gawker.com...
The Supreme Court has determined that the due process clause implies that governments cannot pass legislation that intrudes too deeply into the personal life of its citizens. There are limits to the ability of states to control personal behavior.
An estimated 526501 vasectomies were performed in the United States in 2002
Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by Annee
yes i have a huge ego thats my problem,,,,, again is any one up for even a half hearted intlegent discussion that isnt just a blame game or are we gonna let each ohters respetive sides keep demeaning us all? and im quite happily awake thank you very much you can keep attacking me all you want ill just say here repeating the same old song LETS DISCUSS IF ITS CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT.
Would you quit taking everything so damn personal.
What is you're problem? Does the world revolve around you?
Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by Aeons
Do you know what the word "Vasectomy" means?
An estimated 526501 vasectomies were performed in the United States in 2002
www.cdc.gov...
Plus, Words Never Die.
Nor do their Definitions.
-Edrick
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Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by Aeons
Expecting men to "exercise self-control" in that sense is the equivalent to asking women not to get moody when they are menstruating. It is unnatural. Men are biologically (not psychologically as is the common myth) programmed to desire sex and they need it more than women to ensure their physical and mental health is balanced. You wouldn't understand this because you are a woman who is only concerned with the issues facing women
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Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by Aeons
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Yeah.... Nice and all.
Your entire post basically said that men do not want to excersize reproductive self control.
The word Vasectomy defeated your entire argument.
Your Defense is somewhat meaningless.
-Edrick
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edit on 21-9-2010 by Edrick because: SPELLING!
AWESOME.
Yes, well, we wouldn't want FACTS for anything to clog up your rhetoric. Carry on then.
Men, even men on here, have almost all taken extreme disregard for personal safety and fertility control. Some will deny it - and most of you know they are lying, and if you are honest with yourself you have done so in your lifetime.
Men don't WANT to control their fertility. Even when they say it, even when the campaign on it....their basic primitive desires, their very genetics, over rules them.
Then in the most amusing example of projection, these men then blame the fact that their genes fool them by claiming WOMEN have fooled them. This is so much more personally satisfying than admitting lack of personal self control.
During Menstruation, when the Uterus sheds it's lining... the Egg that was released from the fallopian tubes leaves the body, unfertilized. Now.... these usually leave in the Urine Stream.... and into the Toilet, and is then Flushed. If we could somehow construct a complicated Human Egg catching device behind the water trap... we could theoretically TAKE the "Discarded" Egg, and it then becomes OUR Egg. (Or we could Grab Pads and Tampons out of the trashcan) If we then used complex laboratory equipment to fertilize that egg, and incubate it in another woman (Yes, people *women* actually sell 9 months of their Uterus for barren couples to have a child... so it WILL work) Then, we could send the woman a Bill for the total cost of raising HER child. Because it DOES have HALF of her DNA...
You know why it isn't here? Because on a very primitive level men don't want it. Even birth control that is around and aimed at men is actually using advertizing which appeals to their desire to procreate. The names and advertizing of men's reproductive control devices clearly demonstrates this. Men, even men on here, have almost all taken extreme disregard for personal safety and fertility control. Some will deny it - and most of you know they are lying, and if you are honest with yourself you have done so in your lifetime. Men don't WANT to control their fertility. Even when they say it, even when the campaign on it....their basic primitive desires, their very genetics, over rules them. Then in the most amusing example of projection, these men then blame the fact that their genes fool them by claiming WOMEN have fooled them. This is so much more personally satisfying than admitting lack of personal self control.
Dubay cannot prevail under any of these equal protection theories. First, strict scrutiny does not apply because the Michigan Paternity Act does not affect any of Dubay’s fundamental rights. In N.E. v. Hedges, we found that the right to privacy, articulated in the Supreme Court’s substantive due process jurisprudence, does not encompass a right to decide not to become a parent after conception and birth. 391 F.3d 832, 835 (6th Cir. 2004). See also Rivera v. Minnich, 483 U.S. 574, 580 (1987) (finding that a “putative father has no legitimate right and certainly no liberty interest in avoiding financial obligations to his natural child that are validly imposed by state law”). In doing so, we explicitly rejected the argument, which Dubay raises in his brief, that “fairness” dictates that men should receive a right to disclaim fatherhood in exchange for a woman’s right to abortion.3 Hedges, 391 F.3d at 835. Our discussion clarified that it is not a fundamental right of any parent, male or female, to sever his or her financial responsibilities to the child after the child is born. See id. Thus, to the extent that Dubay claims that Michigan is not affording him equal protection of the law by denying men, but not women, “the right to initiate consensual sexual activity while choosing to not be a parent,” see Pl. Br. at 11, his argument must fail.
However, undeterred by this lack of legal authority, and failing to cite the specific statutes that he challenges, Dubay further argues that “under Michigan’s safe haven and abandonment laws, a mother can also unilaterally drop off a newborn at the hospital, police department, or clinic without any legal or financial recourse whatsoever, something not afforded men. It is also easier for a woman to place a child for adoption, and again avoid being forced into unwanted parenthood.” Pl. Br. at 26. As with his challenge to the Paternity Act, this argument lacks legal foundation.