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Originally posted by rjmelter
So Again why does it matter if it is in the Constitution? A large percent of the people do not want DNA.. obviously, but I also feel it is neccessary... ther should be a compromise somewhere... like a complete scan in the database but once scanned the information is delted unless a match occurs... something like that.
If they are proven innocent should they delete the sample from the database?? NOPE. Why? Because people that get "assaulted" by the courts hold grudges and may commit a crime afterwards to get back at "the man" (the government).
You should know that if someone is found innocent thet local government will be forced to pay you (and they always do) for false imprisonment and for causing psychological harm.
Id be willing to bet you that ya wouldn't do it. Because its easier to sit behind a monitor and prove how intellectual you are, rather than it is to actually step outside and try to make a real difference.
I hate dirty cops such as the ones in your article. But the ones in this Article are not dirty cops. The woman was asking to be shot, they followed their standard procedures. LEO's do not stand by and do nothing while 2 guns are being pointed at them.
That one thing wrong with ATS'rs they are all talk and dont take action.
Out of all the conversations and threads I've seen on ATS, some of us could have made a real difference in this world... but we spend our lives doing petty jobs and talking amongst ourselves, never taking real action. If thats you and it makes you happy keep doing it. But I'm not going to waste my time saying that you are arguing over technicalities (which are probably legitimate because some of the words I use are not always the correct ones to use). BUT YOU ARE playing word games. Aruging over techincal terms. You should try to be a lawyer, so you could make the big money too. Make a real difference hunh
Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by rjmelter
I've had plenty of people suggest that I should be a lawyer due to my tenacity.
Please quote where I have said anything about making a real difference in this thread.
As far as talking to my mayor, not gonna happen as he is the biggest part of the problem here. He is a staunch advocate of taking people's rights and freedoms away. As is shown by our gun laws and our excessive surveillance of citizens.
I've asked you twice now to back up your claims that people that are falsely arrested make lots of money off of it. Since you haven't, I can only believe that your claims are unfounded.
If they are proven innocent should they delete the sample from the database?? NOPE. Why? Because people that get "assaulted" by the courts hold grudges and may commit a crime afterwards to get back at "the man" (the government).
-- WHAT I SAID--
Oh I see innocent law abiding people will suddenly turn into criminals because they were falsely arrested That is just nonsense. "The man" I think someone's been watching too many movies from the 70's.
--WHAT YOU SAID--
And I never said you said you were going to make difference in this world, it doesnt fit your personality profile
AND for the article i forgot to link to......
"That is simply conjecture on your part. You do not know this to be a fact."
Evidence?
"It's been very effective," Daley said, picking up a gun from the dozens displayed on a nearby table. "If I put this up your butt, you'll find out how effective it is. Let me put a round up your, you know."
Mayor Richard Daley today rejected the idea that the Supreme Court is likely to overturn the city's gun ban, but said that he will be ready to act quickly to put in place restrictions on gun ownership if it does.
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley (D) is showing contempt for his own country’s and state’s institutions, by seeking a foreign entity to enforce his anti-gun agenda against the American people.
Even London – widely considered the world’s most closely watched city with an estimated 500,000 cameras – doesn’t incorporate private cameras in its system as Chicago does.
If this is how you deal with facts, instead of actually using logic and reading articles posted...
While interning I was privledged to be told about some situations where people in the jail in that county did get paid for abuses, and the county already takes funds from tax dollars in each yearly tax to pay for such situations... but it didnt get in the papers for political reasons... thus is why I am not sending these links that you request
personally i dont know why you think your so special to deserve the privledges of my time
how could you believe anything on ATS then??
BUT I did just back up one of my claims with facts... but given your needy nature, do you want documents to back up conversations that werent recorded or documented??
At what point did I say that they would SUDDENLY turn into criminals because they were falsely arrested. I said they MAY, and may mean there is the possibility that they wont... you twisted it to say that I was saying something that I was not.
you try to discredit me in every way
at what point have you had anything positive to say about any of my posts?
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by bubbabuddha
I can't see in there the part where they mention that taking DNA samples from arrested people is not allowed..
In case I missed it, could you elaborate?
Originally posted by SWCCFAN
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by bubbabuddha
I can't see in there the part where they mention that taking DNA samples from arrested people is not allowed..
In case I missed it, could you elaborate?
From the Constitution Bill of Rights:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons" Your DNA is In Your Person.
They cannot take it if you haven't commited a crime. But they Do it anyway.
Back in 1913 on December 24 the Constitution finally died.
December 25 1913 There should have been blood spilled in the streets of DC.
Amerikans wake up! There is Tyranny. What did Jefferson say about Tyrants?
The tree needs to be watered be for it dies!