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U.S. Prepares To Use Toxic Gases To "Neutralize" Iraqis

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posted on Mar, 3 2003 @ 04:57 PM

WASHINGTON, March 2 ( & News Agencies) While the United States kept hawkish calls to disarm Iraq of its allegedly banned weapons, it prepared to use the toxic riot-control agents CS gas and pepper spray against the Iraqi people in a looming and seemingly inevitable military aggression against their country.

The U.S. Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, has asked President George W. Bush to authorize their use and the latter, who has often spoken of "smoking out" the enemy, is understood to have agreed, a leading British paper reported on Sunday, March 2.

"Internal Pentagon documents also show that the U.S. is developing a range of calmative gases, also banned for battlefield use," said The Independent.

"Calmative" gases are similar to the one that killed 120 hostages in the Moscow theatre siege last year, could also be employed.

Rear Admiral Stephen Baker, a Navy commander in the last Gulf War who is now senior adviser to the Center for Defense Information in Washington, told the paper that U.S. special forces had knock-out gases that can "neutralize" people. He added: "I would think that if they get a chance to use them, they will."

The Pentagon said last week that the decision to use riot control agents "is made by the commander in the field".

Rumsfeld became the first senior figure on either side of the impending conflict to announce his wish to use chemical agents in a little-noticed comment to the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee on February 5, the same day as Colin Powell's presentation of intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to the UN, added the paper.

The Defense Secretary attacked the "straitjacket" imposed by bans in international treaties on using the weapons in warfare.

He specified that they could be used "where there are enemy troops in a cave [and] you know there are women and children in there with them". General Richard Myers, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke of using them against human shields.

Double Standards

The revelations leave the Bush administration open to charges of double standards at a time when it is making Iraq's suspected arsenal of chemical and biological weapons the casus belli, said The Independent.

"This all adds to the confusion over how the war will be conducted. If the argument with Saddam Hussein is over disarming him of weapons of mass destruction, it is perverse of the U.S. to push the boundaries of international chemical warfare conventions in order to subdue him," Charles Kennedy, leader of the Liberal Democrats, said.

But Leading experts and Whitehall officials fear that using even pepper spray and CS gas would destroy the credibility of the Chemical Weapons Convention, provoke Iraqi chemical retaliation and set a disastrous legal precedent, the paper said.

Professor Julian Perry Robinson, one of the world's foremost authorities on the convention, said: "Legally speaking, Iraq would be totally justified in releasing chemical weapons over the UK if the alliance uses them in Baghdad.

"When the war is over and these things have been used they will have been legitimized as a tool of war, and the principle of toxic weapons being banned will have gone. The difference between these weapons and nerve gas is simply one of structural chemistry."

Britain Opposed

The U.S. plans to use these gases was met by wide opposition, even by its ever staunchest ally Britain.

Although, according to The Independent, both CS gas and pepper spray are available for use by UK police forces, it is British policy not to allow troops to take part in operations where riot control agents are employed, read the press report.

The British Ministry of Defense has warned the U.S. that it will not allow British troops to be involved in operations where riot control agents are used, or to transport them to the battlefield, but Britain is even more concerned about the calmatives, added the paper.

Britain would be in a particularly sensitive position if the U.S. used the weapons as it drafted the convention and is still seen internationally as its most important guardian.

The Foreign Office said: "All states parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention have undertaken not to use any toxic chemical or its precursor, including riot-control agents. This applies in any armed conflict."

A special working group of the Federation of American Scientists concluded last month that using even the mildest of these weapons to incapacitate people would kill 9 percent of them. It added: "Chemical incapacitating weapons are as likely as bullets to cause death."

The use of chemical weapons by U.S. forces was explicitly banned by President Gerald Ford in 1975 after CS gas had been repeatedly used in Vietnam to smoke out enemy soldiers and then kill them as they ran away

posted on Mar, 3 2003 @ 06:11 PM
Oh, come now. I'd hardly consider CS or CN gas on the same level with nerve agent or anthrax. As a matter of fact, I used to look forward to the yearly trips to the gas chamber for my dose of CS gas. Does the sinuses wonders!

posted on Mar, 3 2003 @ 10:36 PM
...It also made the eyes water enough to clear out any particles that might've been irritating them...

...However, you should also be aware that the gas they used in military training was *diluted* compared to the gas that would've been used on an actual battlefield...I haven't been in one of those "training" gas chambers for over a decade, but I still remember them telling us *that* much.

[Edited on 4-3-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

posted on Mar, 3 2003 @ 10:43 PM
Also, don't forget the wonder gas that the Russians used in Moscow with the hostages...

posted on Mar, 4 2003 @ 01:38 PM
Ok so following the train of the thought mentioned above, when faced with the situation the secretary mentioned, don't use a temporary disabling tool. Blow them all up correct? Wouldn't want to offend the Chemical Weapons Convention and the "international community" by trying to kill only those necessary right? This is just as stupid as those who whine about using tear gas in a riot. "It's cruel!"

You heard the man, Fire at will.

posted on Mar, 4 2003 @ 01:46 PM
Here's another version, pretty much the same info. Just thought I'd post it anyway.

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posted on Mar, 4 2003 @ 06:49 PM
I had training with the actual stuff, as well as the candles. The candles were a total joke. My hangovers were worse than the candles.
The cannisters we'd pop and use were the real McCoy, on the other hand. They were pretty stout, no doubt. If they weren't, though, what good would they be?

Dragon Rider, the stuff the Russians used was akin to an amatuer attempting to put a patient to sleep. The concept might be a good idea, and it might work in a James Bond movie, but in actuality all people don't take the same dosage. Still, it'd be neat if it could work. That way we could anesthetize an entire army, arrest or kill the moronic leader and still not have any children or wives mourn the loss of the man in their lives.

posted on Mar, 4 2003 @ 07:26 PM
The Russains used a narcotic calle Phentonol. It was an overdose of this which killed so many people. CS gas is a completely different prospect.
It's so easy to mislead people who don't bother reading the facts. Whoever wrote this article obviously doesn't know what they're talking about.

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