It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Lord Krishn ascended to His Divine abode at the end of dwaparyug and immediately kaliyug started in 3102 BC. Krishn lived for over 125 years. He descended on the earth planet in 3228 BC. The Pandavas, after winning the Mahabharat war, ruled for 36 years and 8 months. Accordingly, the date of Mahabharat war comes to 3139 BC..
Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
Have you ever calculated or thought about how long a mayan long count would be with 360 days instead of 365?
Originally posted by Equinox99
Yes but how did they know we were on a large planet, and they were gazing at planets?...
How were they able to tell that what they were looking at were in fact round planets?
The Sumerians foretold the planets pretty accurately. How are they able to see Mercury?
Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
I believe the egyptians had the ability to tell latitude and longitude...
...by measuring the shadows of the sun from different points on the earth at the same time, they were able to figure out that the earth was round.
One of the odd things about the Maya long count is that it was started by the Maya, presumable from earlier information (Toltec/Olmec?), in the middle. They back dated the calendar to start somewhere at the end of the 4th millennium BC (around 3114 BC IIRC). I have speculated that this might be due to the arrival of Venus at that back dated time and the reason for the delay in the calendar start time is because of the destruction of the civilizations that recorded these events. The Olmec, Toltec and Maya civilizations have all come and gone mysteriously long before the arrival of the Spanish conquistadors.
The book pivots on "fingerprints" of these civilizations, evidence of which Hancock finds in the descriptions of Godmen like Osiris, Thoth, Quetzalcoatl, and Viracocha. These creation myths predate history, and Hancock suggests that in 10,450 BC, a major pole shift took place, before which Antarctica was further from the South Pole than it is today, and after which it was moved to its present location. This civilization was supposedly centered around Antarctica, and later survivors initiated the Olmec, Aztec, Maya, and Egyptian cultures.
The book was influenced by Rand and Rose Flem-Ath's When the Sky Fell: in Search of Atlantis (1995/2009)in which they expand the evidence for Charles Hapgood's earth crust displacement and propose Antarctica as the site of Atlantis.
Puma Punku, truly startles the imagination. It seems to be the remains of a great wharf (for Lake Titicaca long ago lapped upon the shores of Tiahuanaco) and a massive, four-part, now collapsed building. One of the construction blocks from which the pier was fashioned weighs an estimated 440 tons (equal to nearly 600 full-size cars) and several other blocks laying about are between 100 and 150 tons. The quarry for these giant blocks was on the western shore of Titicaca, some ten miles away. There is no known technology in all the ancient world that could have transported stones of such massive weight and size. The Andean people of 500 AD, with their simple reed boats, could certainly not have moved them. Even today, with all the modern advances in engineering and mathematics, we could not fashion such a structure.
Originally posted by Solasis
Actually, there's no mystery as to why the Mayans disappeared. In fact, they didn't disappear.
Their civilization just lost its power. There are still Mayan descendants in southern Mexico and Central America.
Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
Yes i have heard that they inherited from the Olmecs. I have thought that maybe they did back date the calendar, but i don't think so.
...It is possible that the calendar was created around 400bc like they believe...
The reason i don't think it is back dated because it goes back 26,000 years with 5 epochs. We are in the last epoch, the 5th sun.
Have you read "Fingerprints of the Gods"?
I really wonder if a civilization was in Antarctica around 13,000 years ago.
Originally posted by Devino
Apparently that's not what the Aztecs have claimed. They learned about the Maya culture from the abandon cities that were left, the same goes for the Maya with the Toltec people. The Maya learned about them from the ruins that were left behind, in other words no direct physical contact.
I can imagine that there are decedents found here and there
but keep in mind what these ancient American civilizations consisted of. The Meso-American people had built numerous cities with several million people each at differing times. Some of these civilizations predated 3000 BC.
How does a highly developed city of over a million people suddenly disappear without any record of where they all went.
Perhaps once or twice in history might be somehow explained as a fluke but several times in several different locations...? Don't forget the North American Clovis, Anasazi and other native American peoples.
As for the Clovis they disappeared but left traces behind yet that is a totally different discussion that is also very interesting.
There is evidence that the Clovis Indians were originally from Belgium some 13,000-14,000 years ago. This evidence turns science on its head again.
Originally posted by Devino
The Maya calendar was supposedly created in around the 6th century BC (?)
There is an inferior conjunction with Earth, Venus and Mercury every 40 years or so and Mars is added in opposition every 400 years or so. These alignments are not perfect, according to my celestial program, but close enough to really get me worked up over it.
Chapter 19 is about the city of Teotihuacan which is said to have a ceremonial area that represents our solar system. What I read was nearly unbelievable, the markers in this area indicate 9 planets with two additional markers between the Sun and the planet Mercury and another marker outside the orbit of Pluto. I doubt there is any confirmation for this theory and I began to have an overload of information feeling. This is all overwhelming so I am not sure how much more reading I am up for right now.
The Antarctic Treaty was signed in 1959 by twelve countries; to date, forty-six countries have signed the treaty. The treaty prohibits military activities and mineral mining, supports scientific research, and protects the continent's ecozone.
The African-Olmecs also had religious practices identical to that of West Africans according to "A History of the African-Olmecs," (published by 1stbooks Library, 2959 Vernal Pike, Bloomington, Indiana 47404 U.S.A ww.1stbooks.com ) Olmec religions included the use of shamen, the recognition of the Venus planet complex, the use of the ax as a prop in the worship of the Thunder God and the importance of children in their religion.
In the African religion of Shango, shamen are used. In fact, a statuette of an Oni or Priest-king of ancient Nigeria falls in line with the description of the Olmec Shamen given by early American archeologists in the Olmec region of Mexico.
In the Shango religion of Nigeria, Trinidad and Tobago, Cuba, Brazil and other parts of African-Americas, the very same religion as practiced by the Olmecs is still practiced. As for Africa, the Venus complex is studied by the Ono and Bambara, both accomplished seamen who usd to sail the once sea-covered Sahara and the Atlantic.
The Dogon of Mali specialize in the study of the Sirius star system and are experts in their accuracy and charting methods, without any telecopes. The use of the ax and its connection to the worship of the Thunder God was also connected to the Olmecs. Both the Olmecs of Mexico and West Africans practiced religions that included children playing a significant part.
There is overwhelming evidence in all areas that the first civilization in Mexico was influenced tremendously by Africans from West Africa and Nubia/Egypt. All cultural and racial connections show this importand and crucial fact.
There is also a connection with the early Black and Mongoloid dynasties of ancient Shia and Shang Dynasty China, whose prehhistoric origins is said to be Mesopotamia during the Ku#e dynasties and Ku#e Sudan.
The statue of an ancient Nigerian Oni or Priest-king dating back thousands of years shows him holding religious artefacts that have been found among Olmec priests who are holding identical artefacts in the very same manner.
Originally posted by Devino
Originally posted by Solasis
Actually, there's no mystery as to why the Mayans disappeared. In fact, they didn't disappear.
Apparently that's not what the Aztecs have claimed. They learned about the Maya culture from the abandon cities that were left, the same goes for the Maya with the Toltec people. The Maya learned about them from the ruins that were left behind, in other words no direct physical contact.
Their civilization just lost its power. There are still Mayan descendants in southern Mexico and Central America.
I can imagine that there are decedents found here and there but keep in mind what these ancient American civilizations consisted of. The Meso-American people had built numerous cities with several million people each at differing times.
Some of these civilizations predated 3000 BC. How does a highly developed city of over a million people suddenly disappear without any record of where they all went.
There is evidence that the Clovis Indians were originally from Belgium some 13,000-14,000 years ago. This evidence turns science on its head again.
Originally posted by Solasis
Actually, I'm pretty sure that none of the major cities predate 3000 BC. There are of course sites that predate 3000 BC, and there is, I believe, a surprising amount of architectural and cultural sophistication -- but nothing like what you're suggesting. I might be wrong on this point, though.
How does a highly developed city of over a million people suddenly disappear without any record of where they all went.
This one, though, I absolutely know is false. This is a myth. It's propogated by people like you who desperately want there to be a mystery. The fact is -- and I learned this in a college class about Meso-Americans, so that both raises and reduces its reliablility -- There is plenty of record of what happened. The Maya kept detailed historical records in a way that is very difficult to decode...
...archaeologists are STILL figuring out most of their stuff. The Maya civilizations had hit some economic hardships. I can't quite remember what caused them; it might have been a combination of ill-advised wars and environmental factors. But to rectify this, the kings tried to impress the gods... with an increase in war-fare to get sacrificial victims and a massive increase in monument building. The entire Mayan budget went into things that did not help them recover their economy at all.
As for the Clovis they disappeared but left traces behind yet that is a totally different discussion that is also very interesting.
Then it doesn't support your point at all.
Actually, the "pre-classic period" during which the Maya civilization "began" was from 2000 BC 'til 250 AD.
Do you happen to know if there's ever gonna be a time when all the planets have conjunctions -- preferably all Major?
Originally posted bt BeastMaster2012
I watched a documentary ( i watch a lot of documentaries) where they discussed this city [Teotihuacan].
...they had small pools of water at different levels that were probably used as some kind of earthquake sensor, but who knows if this was true.
I have not heard about the possibilties of belgiums coming to america. I need to look up DNA testing done on native americans.
As for Antarctica, i don't know if scientists are telling the truth about it. Weird things are happening there and i almost think that people are hiding the truth. I really think something is up down there.
I love to read more about the origin of the Toltec/Olmec people yet I think this research can quickly bifurcate into a search for Atlantis. Here is some information about Maya temples, Tula Toltec Archaeological Ruins.
So if the Mayans, like the Aztecs, were given the calendar from the olmecs, we need to look into the Olmecs.
If the olmecs were black, who was quetzacoatl?
Originally posted by Harte
No, the Maya and the Aztecs lived at the same time.
It's just that the Maya civilization had suffered a steep decline.
They were eventually overcome by Spanish Conquistadors, just like the Aztec.
As was said, they didn't disappear.