"Honest Abe" Lincoln 101 - What would he do right now?

Don't you wish old Honest Abe was around? Linclon was the first U.S. President to be assassinated. The intent of the Government has changed and not necessarily for the better since Lincoln's terms in office...Lincoln thought outside his own box, and he thought for the people. The changing of history subjects in our textbooks is wrong, and it allows for different messages to be sent to the children of this world by those in power...We should not forget what has been done and sacrificed for us to have the Freedom we love.

Abraham Lincoln 101-

Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States and the son of a Kentucky frontiersman. His mother dying at age 10, Linclon started out in life struggling and eager for knowledge of the world. Employed by the Government for over 30 years, Abe was best known for holding office during the Civil War and for The Emancipation Proclamation. He worked as a clerk, and then joined the military before becoming Postmaster of New Salem from 1833-1836. Linclon was a great man, a hard worker and he knew the system better than most.

Below are links that contains images of the original The Emancipation Proclamation document and the history of the Civil War.

American Civil War

The Emancipation Proclamation

Lincoln studied law and was admitted to the bar before becoming a U.S. Representative. After two years as a U.S. Rep, Linclon in 54' was elected to the state legislature, in which he then resigned and ran for the U.S. Senate. Abraham Linclon was then elected as President of the United States, and served in that position up until his death.

Abraham Lincoln - (Here is the Whitehouse.gov link for Lincoln)
- Birth: February 12, 1809
- Death: April 15, 1865
- Term of Office: March 4, 1861 - March 3, 1865
- Elected for 2 terms.
- Assassinated at the start of the second term.

And here are some great quotes from Lincoln. He shows that we need to always question what is wrong and stand up for our rights. He always hinted at the fact that we were being deceived but that it wouldn't work if we fought for ourselves.

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men."

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."

*Below is the quote that many think got him assassinated*

"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace, and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies, all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes."

"It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you can't fool all of the people all the time."

"This he stated most movingly in dedicating the military cemetery at Gettysburg: "That we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

-Abraham Lincoln

Here is young Lincoln.


Here is Lincoln's Fancy Top hat.


Lincoln towards the end of his years.


The reason I made this thread was to show how Lincoln thought. His ideals were what built this country and what I still feel are immensely important. Honest Abe was a true inspiration and he shows what Human Beings are truly capable of. Who says one man can't change the world? I wonder what Lincoln would do right now if he had any say in this age we are living in?

whitehouse.gov
American History - About.com
Lincoln Wiki



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If Ole " Honest Abe " were around America today , I think one of his numerous Critics would shoot him again ...........Sigh .

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
If Ole " Honest Abe " were around America today , I think one of his numerous Critics would shoot him again ...........Sigh .

That's actually a sad but true point
Maybe he would lead the revolt and kick some $*% though

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He truely was one of our Greatest Presidents when it came to bringing a Divided Nation together for the common good of all . We need more Leaders like him Desperately today , don't we ?

Abe Lincolns continuation of national policies at the time did not help the situation. The Emancipation Proclamation did not set any slaves free because they were in effect in a different country. Then he put several southern states under martial law.

He was assassinated because he did not uphold the American ideal.

Mr. Lincoln was a very smart and loyal man. He basically predicted when the people should stand up to the tyrannical government bodies and corporations. It is very sad that most his work will fall on deft ears. If people were to read his writings and incorporate them to the world around them, they will immediately realize what is happening.

It will take a little critical thinking to see that corporations and corrupt government officials are slowly eating away at the constitution.

Thanks for the great read!

Lincoln sure did have a lot on his plate to deal with didnt he?
If he were around today, and actually understood what was going on I believe his depression he suffered from would consume him for quite some time.
Once he gained clarity and assembled some speeches, and spoke to the masses he would be labeled an enemy combatant and home grown terrorist and made fun of and then ruined by the media.

Lincoln was one of the worst, if not the worst president in our nations history


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What would he do right now?

Let us then turn this government back into the channel in which the framers of the Constitution originally placed it. --July 10, 1858 Speech at Chicago

The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise -- with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disentrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. --December 1, 1862 Message to Congress

Source

Lincoln was an absolute tyrant and a despot. Amongst his more despicable actions was suspending the writ of Habeas Corpus the right to trial and the burden on the state to present a body of evidence against the defendant before sentencing.

He also issued a warrant for the arrest of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court after he tried to curb Lincoln’s excesses of power. The Arrest was narrowly diverted by the Union Army General tasked with effecting it who negotiated a submission of the court to Lincoln so the Chief Justice could remain free.

He illegally declared Congress back in session by presidential decree usurping the power of the speaker of the house and the President of the Senate who are the only lawful figures who can constitutionally call a congress into session.

He created the Greenback Dollar the forerunner of the De Facto Instrument of Debt Currency that has enslaved the world to debt and the use of money attached to nothing of real value.

The list goes on and on and on.

Lincoln was a dictator and proof positive that the victors get to rewrite history for their own posterity.

I sure wouldn’t want Lincoln around in these perilous times and as the man who killed the Constitutional Union in favor of a Military Dictatorship he is one of the people most chiefly responsible for the mess we are in today.

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned between 15,000 and 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.

First Income Tax Revenue Act of 1861

Of course he could have kept the standing agreement not to try and resupply Ft Sumter that was in effect and avoided the whole ACW.


Sounds like George Bush to me, no thanks

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Is your point to say that he might as well be running things still?

In many ways he is running things still. The De Facto War Time Military and Corporate Dictatorship and Military Industrial Complex he created are still in effect. The Southern United States are still carved up into military government districts. Our currency is attached to nothing of value and surprise, surprise April 15th the anniversary of his death just happens to be Tax Day! That illegal Federal Income Tax the founders never wanted Washington and the Government to have to power to levy.

The Text Book constitutional government of the United States of America was systematically destroyed by him and purposefully so in favor of the Corporate favoring U.S. Codes that have rendered the constitution little more than a museum piece.

Lincoln was with out a doubt the murderer of the United States of America.

Today instead we have the United States, Inc., honest Abe? I don't know who has done more arm to us Lincoln or the propagandists who could refer to him in such a nonsensical way.

Lincoln was a tyrant, a despot and dictator and I can only hope that the nation will survive long enough to see him accurately described in the history books for what he was.

No wonder we are doomed to repeat history over and over again, hardly anyone knows or remembers what it was!

Here's a different view of the history about Abraham Lincoln I myself was not aware of until recently. For those who disagree with this view,please consider that with all the lies we have been fed for so long,is it any surprise?

I'm not telling anybody what to think,but remember,there are two sides to every story!

I offer these two exerpts....

As Barack Obama prepared for his arrival in Washington, he embraced the same historical imagery that he used to kick off his presidential campaign: the spirit of Abraham Lincoln.

Obama was traveling to the capital by retracing the final stages of the train trip Lincoln made to assume the presidency, beginning the fanfare for an inaugural celebration in which the Great Emancipator will be an unmistakable presence. With an official theme for the festivities taken from the Gettysburg Address, Obama will appear at the martyred president's memorial for a televised concert, take the oath of office on a Bible used by Lincoln and even attend an inaugural luncheon that will feature favorite Lincoln foods.

From www.truthout.org...



Then there's this!(Should we imagine Obama wants to continue following in Lincoln's footsteps?)
The last paragraph is especially chilling!

History repeats itself because most folks fail to learn from it.

Most Americans fail to learn from U.S. history because what little history is taught in public schools is filled with half truths. But as my former pastor used to say, a half truth is a whole lie.

Most Americans, for example, don’t realize the last time this country was as divided as it is today, 11 Southern states decided they could no longer support a power-hungry federal government constantly usurping their Constitutional rights as sovereign states or the growing federal intrusion into the private lives of their citizens. Sound familiar?

The people of these states chose to voluntarily leave the union their forefathers had voluntarily joined. There were,however, serious consequences for exercising their Constitutional right to leave the old union.

What followed was four years of bloody, no-so-civil war that cost this country about one million lives, if you count the battlefield dead, those who died from sickness, disease and starvation, and the civilian casualties so little of which has ever been recorded by revisionist historians.

Mr. Lincoln’s War Against the Southern People did not bring about an end to slavery, despite what public school textbooks and Lincoln apologists tell us.
Fewer than 15 percent of Southerners owned any slaves, and yet these
professional liars have succeeded in propagating a 150-year lie that
Southerners were fighting to defend slavery, and that Abraham Lincoln, was the great emancipator, their martyred messiah.

The average American has no idea Lincoln was a consummate racist who voted not to allow African-Americans to settle in his state (Illinois) and strongly advocated deporting all blacks back Africa or to the Caribbean.

The man who eloquently spoke of malice toward none, fought a vicious,
undeclared war without the consent of Congress, sending an invading army into Southern states that waged war, not simply with Confederate soldiers and sailors but against innocent civilians.

On his orders, his demonic forces burned Southern cities, homes, businesses and even churches. To silence his opposition in the North, he jailed dissenters without charge, shut down newspapers critical of his despotic policies, rigged state and local elections, deported his most outspoken critic in Congress and even ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. In true Orwellian fashion, Lincoln felt the need to destroy the Constitution in order to save it....

www.educationnews.org...

With all the laws being put in place,like extending the Patriot Act,for instance,and the general fear people are starting to have of our government,...well,...???

Just something to think about!


(I just saw that while I was writing that ,others have expressed much the same thing!) Glad I'm not the only one who sees it!

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Lincoln is not who you were taught he was. He trashed the constitution and bill of rights and he was anything but honest. He is largely responsible for laying the foundation for the socialist/fascist democracy we have today and destroying the free republic. I suggest you get a copy of "The Real Lincoln" By Thomas DiLorenzo and read it.

Here is an article to get you started: www.lewrockwell.com...

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Lincoln was also the president who created our fiat currency. The Legal Tender Act allowed the government to print "greenbacks" not backed by an equivalent amount of physical gold or silver for the first time in the country's history. That was the only way he could continue to finance the Civil War effort, and we've been living in an inflation nation ever since.

It was Nixon who took us off the gold standard completely however. The US dollar is now backed by absolutely nothing but hot air. The only reason it has any value at all is because that's the only thing the government accepts as payment for taxes, so you have to use it whether you want to or not.

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Source: HISTORY OF MONEY: Abe Lincoln

We can see from this quote of the then chancellor of Germany that slavery was not the only cause for the American Civil War:

"The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world."

Otto von Bismark chancellor of Germany 1876

On the 12th of April 1861 this economic war began. Predictably Lincoln, needing money to finance his war effort, went with his secretary of the treasury to New York to apply for the necessary loans.
The money changers wishing the Union to fail offered loans at 24% to 36%.
Lincoln declined the offer.
An old friend of Lincoln's, Colonel Dick Taylor of Chicago, was put in charge of solving the problem of how to finance the war. His solution is recorded as this:

"Just get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes... and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also."

Colonel Dick Taylor

When Lincoln asked if the people of America would accept the notes Taylor said:

"The people or anyone else will not have any choice in the matter, if you make them full legal tender. They will have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution."

Lincoln agreed to try this solution and printed 450 million dollars worth of the new bills using green ink on the back to distinguish them from other notes.

"The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power."

Abraham Lincoln

From this we see that the solution worked so well Lincoln was seriously considering adopting this emergency measure as a permanent policy.
This would have been great for everyone except the money changers who quickly realized how dangerous this policy would be for them.
They wasted no time in expressing their view in the London Times. Oddly enough, while the article seems to have been designed to discourage this creative financial policy, in its put down we're clearly able to see the policies goodness:

"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

Hazard Circular - London Times 1865

From this extract its plan to see that it is the advantage provided by the adopting of this policy which poses a threat to those not using it.
1863, nearly there, Lincoln needed just a bit more money to win the war, and seeing him in this vulnerable state, and knowing that the president could not get the congressional authority to issue more greenbacks, the money changers proposed the passing of the National Bank Act.
The act went through.
From this point on the entire US money supply would be created out of debt by bankers buying US government bonds and issuing them from reserves for bank notes.
The greenbacks continued to be in circulation until 1994, their numbers were not increased but in fact decreased.

"In numerous years following the war, the Federal Government ran a heavy surplus. It could not (however) pay off its debt, retire its securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes. To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply."

John Kenneth Galbrath

That same year Lincoln had a pleasant surprise.
Turns out the Tsar of Russia, Alexander II, was well aware of the money changers scam. The Tsar was refusing to allow them to set up a central bank in Russia.
If Lincoln could limit the power of the money changers and win the war, the bankers would not be able to split America and hand it back to Britain and France as planned.
The Tsar knew that this handing back would come at a cost which would eventually need to be paid back by attacking Russia, it being clearly in the money changers sights. The Tsar declared that if France or Britain gave help to the South, Russia would consider this an act of war.
Britain and France would instead wait in vain to have the wealth of the colonies returned to them, and while they waited Lincoln won the civil war.
With an election coming up the next year, Lincoln himself would wait for renewed public support before reversing the National Bank Act he had been pressured into approving during the war.
Lincoln's opposition to the central banks financial control and a proposed return to the gold standard is well documented. He would certainly have killed off the national banks monopoly had he not been killed himself only 41 days after being re-elected.

"Lincoln's opposition to the central banks financial control and a proposed return to the gold standard is well documented. He would certainly have killed off the national banks monopoly had he not been killed himself only 41 days after being re-elected."

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Lincoln was one of the worst, if not the worst president in our nations history

 

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lol i swear, sometimes.

Thats a very vague statement with absolutely nothing to say "why", so i assume we just chalk this one up to 'trolling for stars'.

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Ah, caught my post.

I had rather stay out of this one.
I value my time of peace.

But I suppose you heard me well enough anyway.

Originally posted by Dogdish

"Lincoln's opposition to the central banks financial control and a proposed return to the gold standard is well documented. He would certainly have killed off the national banks monopoly had he not been killed himself only 41 days after being re-elected."

And we would be exactly in the same boat we are today with a socialist fascist democracy/oligarchy with a worthless currency backed by nothing watching our economy implode. All fiat currencies in history have failed the same way.