Nail from the time of Christ's crucifixion found in a dig

When dealing with societies like the warrior monks of the knights Templar you have to look at the small things like names, the etymology of the names, symbols and so on... They are chosen very carefully by these people because they act as signposts and markers to point where these items or knowledge is hidden for their initiates.. Its a code therefore.. Even the name of the Island itself is interesting... The Island in english Hebrew would be spelt "Eliyahu" which is the name of Elijah the prophet which literally means "YAH is God".. The forts name Saint Jose is the Spanish/Portugese spelling of Joseph or Yosef in Hebrew which means "Shall be added" or "A Son shall be added"... All of those things are significant when dealing with those societies.. So dont forget those things in the digging..

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Nobody knows what happened to John.. All we have is anecdotal evidence that he may have ended up in Turkey somewhere.. Or Patmos.. But I think that the Patmos... What we DO know is that most of the Apostles were martyred.. Why should Yahannon be any different?? Maybe he was crucified along with the rest?

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Eliyahu spent time in a cave... The fort was carved into the rocks much like a cave... Hmmmmm

At the beginning of the summer of 1968 a team of archaeologists under the direction of V. Tzaferis discovered four cave-tombs at Giv'at ha-Mivtar (Ras el-Masaref), which is just north of Jerusalem near Mount Scopus and immediately west of the road to Nablus. The date of the tombs, revealed by the pottery in situ, ranged from the late second century B.C. until A.D. 70. These family tombs with branching chambers, which had been hewn out of soft limestone, belong to the Jewish cemetery of Jesus' time that extends from Mount Scopus in the east to the Sanhedriya tombs in the north west.


Within the caves were found fifteen limestone ossuaries which contained the bones of thirty-five individuals. These skeletons reveal under the examination of specialists a startling tale of the turbulence and agony that confronted the Jews during the century in which Jesus lived. Nine of the thirty-five individuals had met violent death. Three children, ranging in ages from eight months to eight years, died from starvation. A child of almost four expired after much suffering from an arrow wound that penetrated the left of his skull (the occipital bone). A young man of about seventeen years burned to death cruelly bound upon a rack, as inferred by the grey and white alternate lines on his left fibula. A slightly older female also died from conflagration. An old women of nearly sixty probably collapsed from the crushing blow of a weapon like a mace; her atlas, axis vertebrae and occipital bone were shattered. A woman in her early thirties died in childbirth, she still retained a fetus in her pelvis. Finally, and most importantly for this note, a man between twenty-four and twenty-eight years of age was crucified.


The name of the man was incised on his ossuary in letters 2 cm high: Jehohanan. He was crucified probably between A.D. 7, the time of the census revolt, and 66, the beginning of the war against Rome.... According to Dr. N. Haas of the Department of Anatomy, Hebrew University--Hadassah Medical School, Jehohanan experienced three traumatic episodes. The cleft palate on the right side and the associated asymmetries of his face likely resulted from the deterioration of his mother's diet during the first few weeks of pregnancy. The disproportion of his cerebral cranium (pladiocephaly) were caused by difficulties during birth. All the marks of violence on the skeleton resulted directly or indirectly from crucifixion.

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Jesus and Jehohanan: An Archaeological Note on Cruxifixion

Originally posted by Jesus and Jehohanan: An Archaeological Note on Cruxifixion1
When dealing with societies like the warrior monks of the knights Templar you have to look at the small things like names, the etymology of the names, symbols and so on... They are chosen very carefully by these people because they act as signposts and markers to point where these items or knowledge is hidden for their initiates.. Its a code therefore.. Even the name of the Island itself is interesting... The Island in english Hebrew would be spelt "Eliyahu" which is the name of Elijah the prophet which literally means "YAH is God".. The forts name Saint Jose is the Spanish/Portugese spelling of Joseph or Yosef in Hebrew which means "Shall be added" or "A Son shall be added"... All of those things are significant when dealing with those societies.. So dont forget those things in the digging..

OH MY, the information you are providing, is so interesting, we can learn so much from your knowledge of the subject, I appreciate your input.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
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Eliyahu spent time in a cave... The fort was carved into the rocks much like a cave... Hmmmmm

Yes, hmmmmm.

I need to think.

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It would not have taken much for the zealots to convince others that it was Christ's. Even without corroborating evidence. It took much less to convince them to invade the Holy land by the thousands slaughtering innocents as they went. The crusaders were murdering thieves looking to loot somebody else's country of treasure, not heroes.

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During that time every other person was called Yahannon.. It was and still is a very common name....

But you have peaked my interest.. I will take a drive down and do some digging myself, its not far from me so will have a look and talk to some folks.. All part of the puzzle..

But we DO know that Yahannon the beloved did not end his life in Jerusalem.. There is too much anecdotal and even scriptural eveidence to suggest that he was not present in Israel during the early church.. He is not even mentioned in Acts for instance... You would think he would be no?

Yahannon also was a fisherman.. He would have been a bigish guy and healthy.. That guy was not by the sound of it..

I would like to see the sword with the insignia inscribed upon it. Not saying that this is accurate, but according to this site, the Templars forbade ornamentation on their weapons. Does anyone more knowledgeable have more information on this?

Many of those asking questions are hoping that they possess a sword from the Middle Ages when the Templars fought in the crusades. They are soon disappointed when they are told that the ornate sword they now possess couldn't possibly be authentic as the Templar Rule forbade all ornamentation on weapons. Inevitably the sword they are inquiring about is a fraternal Knights Templar sword or "society sword" as they are called among collectors.

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But you have peaked my interest.. I will take a drive down and do some digging myself, its not far from me so will have a look and talk to some folks.. All part of the puzzle..

That is just to cool, looking forward to the information you find.

How often can someone actually go check it out?

WOW



Good luck

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Hi Gazestar,

I would like to see the sword with the insignia inscribed upon it.

I used to spend most my time on line researching this sort of thing, this is what disappoints me the lack of follow up, this is most likely all we will ever hear of this issue.

You could help me look for pictures of knight Templar swords,

Originally posted by Yissachar1
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Nobody knows what happened to John.. All we have is anecdotal evidence that he may have ended up in Turkey somewhere.. Or Patmos.. But I think that the Patmos... What we DO know is that most of the Apostles were martyred.. Why should Yahannon be any different?? Maybe he was crucified along with the rest?

True, we don't know for sure how he died.

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That is not necessarily true.. Sometimes they were decorated with symbols like that of the Order of the knight, year it was forged, or the sign of the smith....

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by zaiger
It is just a nail from the same time period of christ. This does not proove anything besides they had nails back then. Just like a nail found from the time of Geroge Washington does not proove that washington was crucified.

Yes I realize that, but interesting set of circumstances none the less.

Isn't it also just as interesting that red hats with white pompoms can be found with suspiciously growing numbers right around the time Santa Clause is purported to visit?

Coincidence? I think not.

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If you have nothing useful to add then go away..... This is what ATS was made for.. RESEARCH and INVESTIGATION.... Not for the stupid...
Maybe thats why this site has gone down in terms of intelligence lately.. Because of morons and trolls...

As the brits say; do one.... (That means go way)

Back on topic..

Well one Oar from Christopher Colombus's ship went for 600,000$ @ the Antique Roadshow...

Surely this will go for 600,000,000$!!

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WHY?

Please, don't troll.

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I'd love to help you look. I take this kind of stuff and run with it too. LOL

I did find a picture of a crucifixion nail that was also 'allegedly' from the same era that is 8 inches long which is twice the size of the nail found in the ornament box. However, even if the nail found in the ornament box is too small to be a crucifixion nail, could it be a relic from Solomon's Temple?

Crucifixion Nail




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See the thing is Jesus had a Huge following around then! think about it! there's gonna be a lot of his mates just Dieing (no pun intended ) to get there Hands on that Cross for keep sake, but they say if all the pieces of the true Cross from around the Planet was to be put in one Place! it would be enough to make several Crosses! Peace.

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Shouting troll does not do anything.



reply to post by ZombieOctopus


I see your point. The dead sea scrolls come from the time and area of christ yet they do not mention him. The "evidence" never seems to work both ways.