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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by franspeakfree
G'day franspeakfree
Thank you for your thoughtful, well constructed comments.
I shall ponder that for a while.....
Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not
Very true. But I can make educated guesses on activities based on my own experience, and my experiences inside other peoples places. But I see your point though. These educated guesses are not a replacement for actual experience or knowledge.
The answer to most of us is NO. Behind our four walls we exist where only a selected amount of individuals are privvy to what we do.
That is a lot of imagining Fran.
Now imagine a street,......
Now imagine a mall........
Imagine a radius of 10 miles
Now imagine this amount of security in every building in each compound.....
I don't remember claiming I know everything that was going on in the world, so why would I need to tell you that.
So please tell me why would YOU know all of whats going on around the world?
I don't know that. My belief regarding ET's is based on the related materials I have encountered related to that. My belief is not based on what I do not know concerning what goes on behind doors and walls I am not privy too.
why would YOU know if there was ET on this planet?
So Fran, I guess the real point would be to tell me what is known relating to ET's! Not what I don't know is going on behind walls. Walls that you also are ignorant about, regarding the activities that occur behind them.
why would you know if there were hangers that house secretly retrieved craft? Why would YOU know about all of this? you don't even know what your neighbour is doing next door?
I agree, but pointing out that there are areas that we are not privy to is not an angle. Speculation is what it is. Remember when we had to do all that imagining earlier. Well, we would also have to imagine that there is ET related material involved because we are not privy to those areas to know.
The question about whether or not UFO'S/ET exists should be looked at by all angles,
Another question might also be, "who benefits from creating a myth that ET exist? We need all the angles.
there are three factors that dominate life as we know it MONEY / GREED / POWER, the question is who benefits from knowing?
We have to imagine that there is a benefit because we cannot actually know what the ET benefits are given we only imagine that they are being hidden behind the walls you mention.
what could someone possibly gain from going to all this trouble, to keep such a secret a secret.
But what if they actually have nothing to hide? What if you are mistaken in believing they are hiding something?
Whilst we continue to discuss if ET is real these people who own the area, who own the compounds, who own the buildings who employ the guards, they continue to keep us in the dark/uninformed and allow us to bicker amongst ourselves.
I disagree. We need to concentrate on the best quality evidence available, all the time.
IMO we need to stop these arguments and look at this subject in a bigger light, instead of compartmentalizing everything we must embrace this topic as a whole, as IMO every little topic leads to one universal concept.
The subject is not beyond us. The subject has not changed because the quality and validity of information has not, IMHO.
This subject is beyond all of us, which is the reason we repeat ourselves over and over again, if you search old threads, threads that are 5 years old, you will see the same style threads, the same approach, something needs to change.
I agree.
Whilst we are on this level, talking about whether ET exists or not we are losing sight of lifes true meaning.
This thing is much bigger than we can ever comprehend.
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by franspeakfree
and i guess the corollary is that people should use far more critical thinking when examining claims of alledged insiders / whistle bloets who claim near onmicience and indepth knowledge of multiple far reaching alleged conspiracies .
Originally posted by Cybernet
reply to post by franspeakfree
I thought you had a clear mind and believed in aliens.
Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
I am curious as to whether you are speculating when you write, "Going to great lengths to cover themselves every step of the way. By great lengths I mean much bigger than the analogy above. Such as elite guards who are made up of orphans, people with no family no friends, only in the institution they work in. People who would not think twice and give their life freely in order to make sure the secret remains secret."
...or do you write from experience? If so I would be interested to hear more.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by franspeakfree
It's a well thought out post...clearly took some time and effort.
Reading between the lines...the argument can be summed up as 'we can't KNOW they aren't here so therefore they COULD be.'
It doesn't get us any closer to the facts, but highlights the curiosity a lot of us feel. We'd all like to know what there is to know. Where the alleged debris from crashes is stored. Who knows what and why it's secret. I especially want to know why there's so much muddying of the waters. Even the possibility that UFOs aren't ET and are something else entirely...we want to know.
Originally posted by Ridhya
Hm not to derail your thread but that is the same reasoning I used when I changed from atheist to agnostic.
Aliens may or may not exist but so many people just take the word of 'insiders' who are, you know inside and former air force pilots who could easily be still on payroll to say the things they do...
Unless you see an alien your self you do NOT know they exist based on testimony, and even if you saw one is it an alien? Think of the 'invasion' in The Watchmen!!