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Twelve Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously

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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 05:50 AM
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Whenever anyone questions the belief in UFO's I always make sure I raise cases such as these. Quite often it shocks people who have little knowledge of these issues just how serious the Government has taken the issue of UFO's, and they start to question why they have never heard about them before.

I'm sure a lot of you will know of these cases quite well, but this is for those who don't or those who wish to know more.

Since belief in UFOs is a near-professional suicide in most respected circles, what would it mean if we discovered that, within the classified world, people have taken it seriously for years?

It just so happens that they have. They do.


1. The 1947 Twining Memo


For good reason, this is one of the most important UFO documents we have. On September 23, 1947, right at the beginning of the “modern” UFO era, General Nathan Twining, Head of the U.S. Air Material Command (AMC), wrote a classified letter to Air Force General George Schulgen regarding the “flying discs.” He said the objects were “real and not visionary or fictitious.” They may possibly be natural phenomena, he wrote, such as meteors. But:

“the reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted ... lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically, or remotely.”



2. 1949 FBI Memo


In my own opinion, this three-page document is just as extraordinary as the Twining Memo. On January 31, 1949, the FBI issued a memo on UFOs, entitled “Protection of Vital Installations.” The classified document was sent to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, the Army’s G-2, the Office of Naval Intelligence, and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. It mentions a meeting among these groups concerning UFOs.

Here is a key statement of the document:

“Army intelligence has recently said that “the matter of ‘Unidentified Aircraft’ or ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,’ otherwise known as ‘Flying Discs,’ ‘Flying Saucers,’ and ‘Balls of Fire,’ is considered top secret by intelligence officers of both the Army and the Air Forces.”



3. 1951 USAF Intelligence Report


This report describes a rather up-close and personal UFO encounter on July 9, 1951, by the pilot of an F-51 fighter plane from Lawson Air Force Base in Georgia. The pilot, a combat veteran from World War Two, provided quite a bit of detail, which was recorded in the report.

“Object described as flat on top and bottom and appearing from a front view to have rounded edges and slightly beveled. From view as object dived from top of plane was completely round and spinning in clockwise direction.... Object did not appear to be aluminum. Only 1 object observed. Solar white. No vapor trails or exhaust or visible system of propulsion. Described as traveling [at] tremendous speed....Pilot states object was 300 to 400 feet from plane and appeared to be 10 to 15 feet in diameter....Pilot states he felt disturbance in the air described as ‘bump’ when object passed under plane....Pilot is considered by associates to be highly reliable, of mature judgement and a creditable observer.”



4. The Chadwell Memo of December 2, 1952


1952 was an important year in the history of the UFO. Across the United States, the number of sightings skyrocketed, and several of these were well-documented encounters by military personnel. At the end of July, the Air Force held a press conference explaining that, although some of these reports remained unexplained, there was no evidence they were alien craft. Within the classified world, matters were not so serene.

H. Marshall Chadwell was the CIA’s Director of Scientific Intelligence, and very much interested in this problem. In this memo, addressed to the CIA Director, General Walter Bedell Smith, Chadwell wrote:

“At this time, the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention.... Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and travelling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”



5. 1954 Maxwell AFB Emergency Report


Throughout the 1950s, the air space violations kept on coming. This report (headed “Emergency”) originated from the flight service center at Maxwell Air Force Base, and was sent to the Commander of Air Defense Command (ADC) in Colorado.

The report describes the entry into airspace of a “strange stationary object variable in brilliance” which moved rapidly, then returned to its original position. The base sent a helicopter to investigate. The pilot’s assessment: “definitely not a star.” Many people watched this object from the tower, and a civilian tower radioed that it also had it in sight. The object became dimmer, showed a slight red glow, and disappeared.



6. Intrusion at Minot Air Force Base, 1966


A large UFO wave took place across the U.S. during the mid-1960s. This caused a good deal of publicity, congressional interest, and the eventual study of UFOs by the University of Colorado in the hopes of settling the matter once and for all. Although the Colorado Committee was supposed to have full access to classified UFO reports, in practice it received very little to go on, and instead conducted a number of ad hoc investigations of sightings as they became known.

According to the official report:

“When the team was about ten miles from the landing site, static disrupted radio contact with them. Five to eight minutes later, the glow diminished, and the UFO took off. Another UFO was visually sighted and confirmed by radar. The one that was first sighted passed beneath the second. Radar also confirmed this. The first made for altitude toward the north, and the second seemed to disappear with the glow of red.”



7. Malmstrom AFB 1967


Early in the morning on the March 16, 1967 at Malmstrom AFB in Montana, occurred one of the most extraordinary events in the history of military-UFO encounters. Under a clear and dark Montana sky, an airman with the Oscar Flight Launch Control Center (LCC) saw a star-like object zigzagging high above him. Soon, a larger and closer light also appeared, and acted in similar fashion. The airman called his NCO, and the two men watched the lights streak through the sky, maneuvering in impossible ways. The NCO phoned his commander, Lieutenant Robert Salas, who was below ground in the launch control center. “Great,” Salas said. “You just keep watching them and let me know if they get any closer.”



8. Wurtsmith Air Force Base, 1975


During October and November of 1975, another extraordinary series of air space violations took place, this time across the length of the U.S. northern border, involving several military bases from Montana to Maine. Air space incursions also took place through much of 1976. All are unexplained to this day in any conventional sense.

On the evening of October 31, 1975 at Wurtsmith AFB in Michigan, an airman saw what appeared to be running lights of a low flying craft, possibly a helicopter, near the southern perimeter of the base, heading westerly. One light pointed down; two red lights were near the back. The object was either silent or very quiet.



9. The Amazing Encounter over Tehran in 1976


On the night of September 18, 1976, the Iranian Air Force was involved in one of the most dramatic UFO events in modern history. Not only was the case itself extraordinary, but so was the documentation: namely, a four-page U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report.

The strangeness began after 10:30 p.m. on September 18, when the control tower at Mehrabad Airport received calls about an unknown object hovering at 1,000 feet in the northern section of Teheran. The tower supervisor observed the object with binoculars, describing it as rectangular or cylindrical. In his words, “the two ends were pulsating with a whitish blue color. Around the mid-section was this small red light that kept going in a circle.... I was amazed.”



10. The 1981 Halt Memo


The Rendlesham Forest incident remains among the most important UFO cases ever. It involved a landing of an unknown craft near two Air Bases in Britain, was witnessed by many U.S. military personnel, and is supported by military documentation. In addition, the area held a large stock of nuclear weapons, a fact that was denied by authorities for years, then admitted to be true. The case remains controversial, however, because proponents have not agreed on certain key details, and other critics have claimed it has wholly prosaic explanations. Moreover, confusion has plagued the case in matters so simple as the exact dates when it occurred.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 05:50 AM
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11. U.S. Coast Guard Encounter with a UFO, 1988


On the evening of March 4, 1988 near Eastland, Ohio, not far from the Pennsylvania border, Sheila Baker and her children were driving home along the shore of Lake Erie. At 6:30 p.m., their attention was drawn to a large, bright object apparently hovering over the lake. It seemed almost like a blimp. Bright lights appeared at each end of it, and the whole thing was rocking end to end like a seesaw. The brighter of the two lights was strobing. Once home, she persuaded her husband, Henry, to accompany her and the children to the beach.

There, standing on the shore of Lake Erie, they all saw the object. It was gun-metal grey and positively enormous – Henry later said it was “larger than a football held at arm’s length.” It made no sound that they could hear. Somehow, however, it caused the lake ice to rumble and crack, perhaps by application of heat. The object then began to circle slowly over part of the lake, coming nearly overhead at just 1/4 mile altitude.



12. UFOs Over Belgium, 1989-1990


From late 1989 to the spring of 1990, hundreds of reports of lighted objects, often described as large triangular-shaped craft, were recorded in Belgium. The most spectacular sighting took place on the night of March 30, 1990. Thousands of witnesses saw one or more low-flying triangular UFOs with bright lights flashing in the center. The Belgian Air Force sent two F-16s to intercept the UFOs, which were tracked by several NATO radar stations; the jet pilots also tracked the objects on radar, and even see them at times.


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Make sure you read the full article, it's a decent one.




posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by LiveForever8
Since belief in UFOs is a near-professional suicide in most respected circles, what would it mean if we discovered that, within the classified world, people have taken it seriously for years?

It just so happens that they have. They do.



Believing in UFO's isn't optional, anybody who doesn't believe there are UFOs is ignorant. There are UFOs.

But the U stands for "Unidentified" which means we don't know what they heck they are. So to assume that we know what they are when we don't know what they are is equally ignorant as denying they exist.

Those are some pretty good cases though cases like the Halt memo would be better if he didn't say "There it is again" at 5 second intervals on his famous recording, which correspond exactly with the lighthouse frequency. The beeps are at 5 second intervals:






posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 06:38 AM
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It would be irresponsible for the government not to be interested in UFOs. Consider the atmosphere of the world that dominated the latter half of the 20th century; the government had more prosaic reasons to be interested in UFOs than aliens.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 06:56 AM
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Very interesting stuff, thanks for posting this. I'm really interested in those black triangle UFOs... the video and all. I've seen a few things in the sky I could not explain but never anything that met the description of the black triangles.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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dude pretty much every goverment has had case files on ufo's

here is just some of them. you can look up usa's on your own, its easier to get info on

Ivestagations

Us
• Project Blue Book, previously Project Sign and Project Grudge, conducted by the United States Air Force from 1947 until 1969
• The secret U.S. Army/Air Force Project Twinkle investigation into green fireballs (1948–1951)
• Ghost rockets investigations by the Swedish, U.K., U.S., and Greek militaries (1946–1947)
• The secret CIA Office of Scientific Investigation (OS/I) study (1952–53)
• The secret CIA Robertson Panel (1953)
• The secret USAF Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14 by the Battelle Memorial Institute (1951–1954)
• The Brookings Report (1960), commissioned by NASA
• The public Condon Committee (1966–1968)
• The private, internal RAND Corporation study (1968)
• The private Sturrock Panel (1998)

Canada
In Canada, the Department of National Defence has dealt with reports, sightings and investigations of UFOs across Canada. In addition to conducting investigations into crop circles in Duhamel, Alberta, it still considers "unsolved" the Falcon Lake incident in Manitoba and the Shag Harbour incident in Nova Scotia.
Early Canadian studies included Project Magnet (1950–1954) and Project Second Story (1952–1954), supported by the Defence Research Board. These studies were headed by Canadian Department of Transport radio engineer Wilbert B. Smith, who later publicly supported extraterrestrial origins.

French
On March 2007, the French Centre National d'Études Spatiales (CNES) published an archive of UFO sightings and other phenomena online.
French studies include GEPAN/SEPRA/GEIPAN (1977–), within the French space agency CNES, the longest ongoing government-sponsored investigation. About 14% of some 6000 cases studied remained unexplained. The official opinion of GEPAN/SEPRA/GEIPAN has been neutral or negative, but the three heads of the studies have gone on record in stating that UFOs were real physical flying machines beyond our knowledge or that the best explanation for the most inexplicable cases was an extraterrestrial one.
The French COMETA panel (1996–1999) was a private study undertaken mostly by aerospace scientists and engineers affiliated with CNES and high-level French Air Force military intelligence analysts, with ultimate distribution of their study intended for high government officials. The COMETA panel likewise concluded the best explanation for the inexplicable cases was the extraterrestrial hypothesis and went further in accusing the United States government of a massive cover-up.

British
The UK conducted various investigations into UFO sightings and related stories. The contents of some of these investigations have since been released to the public.
Eight file collections on UFO sightings, dating from 1978 to 1987, were first released on May 14, 2008, to the UK National Archives by the Ministry of Defence. Although kept secret from the public for many years, most of the files have low levels of classification and none is classified Top Secret. 200 files are set to be made public by 2012. The files are correspondence from the public sent to government officials, such as the MoD and Margaret Thatcher. The MoD released the files under the Freedom of Information Act due to requests from researchers. These files include, but are not limited to, UFOs over Liverpool and the Waterloo Bridge in London.
On October 20, 2008 more UFO files were released. One case released detailed that in 1991 an Alitalia passenger aircraft was approaching Heathrow Airport when the pilots saw what they described as a "cruise missile" flew extremely close to the cockpit. The pilots believed that a collision was imminent. UFO expert David Clarke says that this is one of the most convincing cases for a UFO he has come across.
British investigations include the UK's Flying Saucer Working Party. Its final report, published in 1951, remained secret for over 50 years. The Working Party concluded that all UFO sightings could be explained as misidentifications of ordinary objects or phenomena, optical illusions, psychological delusions or hoaxes. The report stated: ‘We accordingly recommend very strongly that no further investigation of reported mysterious aerial phenomena be undertaken, unless and until some material evidence becomes available’.
A secret study of UFOs undertaken for the UK’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) between 1996 and 2000 and was publicly released in 2006. The report is titled "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Defence Region" and was code-named Project Condign. The report confirmed earlier findings that the main causes of UFO sightings are misidentification of man-made and natural objects. The report noted: "No artefacts of unknown or unexplained origin have been reported or handed to the UK authorities, despite thousands of UAP reports. There are no SIGINT, ELINT or radiation measurements and little useful video or still IMINT." It concluded: "There is no evidence that any UAP, seen in the UKADR [UK Air Defence Region], are incursions by air-objects of any intelligent (extraterrestrial or foreign) origin, or that they represent any hostile intent."
In contrast, Nick Pope, who headed the MoD UFO desk from 1991 to 1994, states that while about 80 % of the cases he investigated were misidentifications of known objects and phenomena (while 15 % of sightings had insufficient information), about 5 % "seemed to defy any conventional explanation." These included cases with multiple and/or highly trained witnesses such as pilots or military personnel, corroboration from radar or video/photography, and involved apparent structured craft with speeds and maneuverability beyond that of human origin. Stopping short of an extraterrestrial explanation (though not discounting it), Pope believes the UFO phenomenon is quite real and raises serious defense, national security, and air safety issues. Pope describes many of the perplexing cases, such as the Rendlesham Forest incident, and the politics surrounding UFOs in his book Open Skies, Closed Minds.

Uruguayan
The Uruguayan Air Force has had an ongoing UFO investigations since 1989 and analyzed 2100 cases, of which they consider only 40 (about 2%) definitely lacking any conventional explanation. All files have recently been declassified. The unexplained cases include military jet interceptions, abductions, cattle mutilations, and physical landing trace evidence



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:04 AM
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I didn't even know there was a country named Uruguayan until I started investigating.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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I understand what you are saying but it has to be said that whenever anybody mentions UFO's the vast majority of people instantly think - ALIENS! That's is, unfortunately, the stigma attached to them.

But yes, a UFO would obviously be of interest to governments and military. Anything unidentified that is breaching airspace should be investigated. But what these cases can highlight is how unusual some of these UFO's behave, so unusual in fact, that they defy what conventional aircraft can do.

Thanks for adding that sound clip too. Wasn't the lighthouse theory debunked? I thought it was proven to be an impossibility that it could have been the lighthouse?



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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Uruguay is a country that has 'Uruguayan' Air Force.



Interesting thread, thanks LF8. I recently went to a lecture by Robert Hastings at school here, and the documents he presented were pretty mind-blowing.

They(TPTB) have definitely been keeping a keen eye to the skies, and a locked door to the public.

The cold war seems to make a lot more sense with the layer of UFO's added to the mix, at least to me.




posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Great post!

S and F for finding all these documents.

Must have taken a while, so kudos and thanks!




posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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Thanks for collating these interesting reports, LiveForever8.

I look forward to watching some interesting discussion unfold in your thread.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by LiveForever8
Thanks for adding that sound clip too. Wasn't the lighthouse theory debunked? I thought it was proven to be an impossibility that it could have been the lighthouse?


You're welcome.

Well there's a lot of information about the Rendlesham incident, there were multiple objects sighted over multiple nights, so I'm not claiming the lighthouse accounts for all of them.

But speaking only of the specific light that Col Halt is referring to in that audio recording appearing at 5 second intervals just like the lighthouse, I'd have to say that's fairly strong evidence he was likely looking at light from the lighthouse. I did hear Halt respond to the allegation he may have seen lights from the lighthouse and he never actually denied it, but rather he said that he wasn't running his recorder constantly but he was stopping and starting it. While that may be true, in the clip I posted I don't hear the stopping and starting, it sounds continuous to me.

Some of the other lights described by some other people probably couldn't have been the lighthouse and the lighthouse wouldn't explain some radar signatures also. So the lighthouse doesn't explain everything. But since Halt wrote the memo and that audio recording is the best evidence we have of Halt's personal sighting, I don't think it helps the case. There would have to be other explanations for the other lights and radar returns, besides the lighthouse I think.

Yes some people do automatically associate "alien" with UFO, but I think it's an unfortunate misinterpretation that should be clarified within UFOlogy and for the general public.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by LiveForever8
Thanks for adding that sound clip too. Wasn't the lighthouse theory debunked? I thought it was proven to be an impossibility that it could have been the lighthouse?


Yes some people do automatically associate "alien" with UFO, but I think it's an unfortunate misinterpretation that should be clarified within UFOlogy and for the general public.


G'day Arbitrageur

That's such an important point.

Years ago I saw a UFO.

It was a very bright light that appeared to be flying & I could not identify it.

The trajectory & speed at which it appeared to be flying would have been extremely difficult & unusual for any conventional aircraft that I know of. It's also hard to explain a "light source" for the object.

That is to say, it was a UFO.

However, it's just a massive leap to conclude it was an alien spacecraft.....that simply can't be said.

But if I say to someone "Hey I saw a UFO", the response is "yeah right...don't call me, I'll call you".

It would be advantageous if the term "UFO" was not almost 100% interchangeable with the term "alien spacecraft".

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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Ha! I had a black triangle fly right over our yard. First I saw lights on the horizon -- my sister saw them first -- different colored balls doing odd formations. I stood there ruling out all possibilities. My sister got bored and went in. Then I see the lights are attached to a craft that is slowly approaching over the neighbor's woods, heading straight towards the north end of our yard. It goes over the hill and then over the tree -- so I could triangulate its size and height -- it was an equilateral triangle -- perfectly equilateral -- no fuselage, no tail -- nothing. Making a humming noise, going super slow, and then it flew right over the garage and continued on across the valley.

Now I told my mom who ran the legal newspaper for the area. One of her workers showed me a three ring binder of a mass sighting in 1978 of the same thing -- only there were also cattle mutilations causing a rancher to move and a lady had missing time when the craft flew over head. Under hypnosis she said she had been abducted into the craft. The journalist told me that we live in a "military test flight corridor."

That was my first impression -- it was military -- and I knew nothing about the black triangles before my sighting. It wasn't until I read rense.com of the EXACT same sighting experience that I realized I had corroboration. So then I read Curt Sutherly's book which has quite a bit on the black triangles.

Richard Dolan told me he thinks the black triangles are military. But if you listen to his latest lectures he says that he thinks the earlier triangles were alien. But I point out that Nick Redfern has record of a black triangle at a military base of the U.S. in the U.K. in the late 1940s. And there is even a military record of a military craft refueling a black triangle in the air, as Dolan documents.

So I think this stuff is from Tesla technology that the Nazis developed and the U.S. took over -- we brought 1400 Nazi scientists over to the U.S. -- so it was as big as the Manhattan projection but for propulsion and mind control.

Oh the final ringer is Tim Ventura's research based on verifying the Nazi's antigravity propulsion using mercury plasma resonated using Tesla technology. I recently asked Richard Dolan if he had read Ventura's research and if so to comment on it -- because I could find no reference to it by Dolan. Ventura is part of the antigravity scene and not directly in the UFO scene so I think Dolan must have neglected Ventura's research.

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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:10 PM
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This happened back when I was around 13. It was about midnight and my bed was next to the window because I enjoy looking at the sky while I'm trying to sleep, I saw something that looked like a saucer surrounded in smoke zipping across the sky very quickly before it ascended out of view. I'm not claiming it to be an alien craft, but it was definitely a U.F.O.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by drew hempel
Ha! I had a black triangle fly right over our yard. First I saw lights on the horizon -- my sister saw them first -- different colored balls doing odd formations. I stood there ruling out all possibilities. My sister got bored and went in. Then I see the lights are attached to a craft that is slowly approaching over the neighbor's woods, heading straight towards the north end of our yard. It goes over the hill and then over the tree -- so I could triangulate its size and height -- it was an equilateral triangle -- perfectly equilateral -- no fuselage, no tail -- nothing. Making a humming noise, going super slow, and then it flew right over the garage and continued on across the valley.

Now I told my mom who ran the legal newspaper for the area. One of her workers showed me a three ring binder of a mass sighting in 1978 of the same thing -- only there were also cattle mutilations causing a rancher to move and a lady had missing time when the craft flew over head. Under hypnosis she said she had been abducted into the craft. The journalist told me that we live in a "military test flight corridor."

That was my first impression -- it was military -- and I knew nothing about the black triangles before my sighting. It wasn't until I read rense.com of the EXACT same sighting experience that I realized I had corroboration. So then I read Curt Sutherly's book which has quite a bit on the black triangles.

Richard Dolan told me he thinks the black triangles are military. But if you listen to his latest lectures he says that he thinks the earlier triangles were alien. But I point out that Nick Redfern has record of a black triangle at a military base of the U.S. in the U.K. in the late 1940s. And there is even a military record of a military craft refueling a black triangle in the air, as Dolan documents.

So I think this stuff is from Tesla technology that the Nazis developed and the U.S. took over -- we brought 1400 Nazi scientists over to the U.S. -- so it was as big as the Manhattan projection but for propulsion and mind control.

Oh the final ringer is Tim Ventura's research based on verifying the Nazi's antigravity propulsion using mercury plasma resonated using Tesla technology. I recently asked Richard Dolan if he had read Ventura's research and if so to comment on it -- because I could find no reference to it by Dolan. Ventura is part of the antigravity scene and not directly in the UFO scene so I think Dolan must have neglected Ventura's research.

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And the reason you didn't rush inside to get your camera was? I mean, wouldn't that be the natural response? Just like with the big triangle over Phoenix, very few people ran to get their cameras so they could make a good recording of it. It's baffling why that would be so... unless people are just so much in shock that they plum forget about the invention of the camera.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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You guy's might find some of these interesting.

NSA.gov UFO Documents

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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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Well I don't have a camera and to be honest I literally thought "I'm not talking my eyes of this thing because I don't want 'missing time.'" Sure enough I then discovered that a lady in my area did have missing time and then under hypnosis said she had been abducted into the craft. Still on Nick Cook's "Alien History of Planet Earth" a rancher saw a "ufo" actually lift the cattle up -- it had UFO lights but then he saw the blades and it was a helicopter with fake ufo lights and the copter used a strap to lift and carry away the cattle. So this stuff is definitely military.

Besides by the time I found a camera it would have been gone as I didn't see the craft until it was headed right towards me and I didn't make out what it was until it was practically even with me -- and so it would have been gone by the time I got back outside -- even though it was low and slow. It was dark out anyway but because it was so close and had lights on the corners I could see the craft itself quite easily.

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posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Good post,

I am hoping that the continued study and reporting of every facet of the phenomenon will some day remove the cloud of ridicule that has been used since practically day one, to keep the public from taking it seriously as a whole..
The methods the governments have used to keep a "lid" on things has been very, very effective. Namely discrediting witnesses and ridiculing people. The times when some pilot or some other very professional witness reports a high quality sighting only to have it show up in the media as a misidentified sighting of venus or a baloon. The counterintelligence agents usually coming up with rediculous explanations, for example, crash test dummies and stuff like that, making the original witness look like a complete idiot and even losing their jobs because of it. Even when they never tried to say it had anything to do with aliens in the first place.
There have been highly regarded military officials themselves saying they believe some must be non human devices as shown in some released memos and such. But even with those, the stygma created by the past and present use of ridiculing and discrediting have never gone away, so, many people are afraid to report things or discuss them, especially when they are employed by government or police etc..
Maybe if these good quality reports and whistleblowing keep on happening long enough, things might change.. But every time I see a UFO report on the news there is a lot of joking and laughing by the news reporters, so I think it's just wishful thinking that it will ever go away, unless some very big events happen and somehow make it to the msm.



posted on Feb, 5 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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02/04/10 my brother and i seen a triangular ufo hovering as if it was (antigravity)waiting for something and as we got closer (it was low enough) it just seemed to take off going southwest. this was in "edited out" pa. maybe tobyhanna depot is testing one of their secret planes i don't know. the only thing i had on me was my cellphone and it was around midnight when i seen it so when i tried my cellphone for video or photos it was just black even though i look up and it seemed like i could reach out and touch it. it did have alot of blinking lights so thats why i'm saying its probably a secret aircraft their testing their antigravity technology, but it was really eerie and fascinating at the same time.



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