Scientist 'hid' flaws in key climate shift study

Since we are able to post the same thread in two different forums I am posting this one here.

The first person to post this story was seattletruth in the BAN forum. Here is a link to his story Link

A BRITISH climate scientist at the centre of a controversy over leaked emails is facing fresh claims that he sought to hide problems in temperature data on which his work was based.

An investigation of more than 2000 emails apparently hacked from the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit has found evidence that a series of measurements from Chinese weather stations was seriously flawed.

Climate scientist Phil Jones and a collaborator have been accused of scientific fraud for attempting to suppress data that could cast doubt on a key 1990 study on the effect of cities on warming.

Dr Jones withheld the information requested under British freedom of information laws. Subsequently a senior colleague told him he feared that Dr Jones' collaborator, Wei-chyung Wang of the University at Albany, had ''screwed up''.

The apparent attempts to cover up problems with temperature data from the Chinese weather stations provide the first link between the email scandal and the UN's embattled climate science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as a paper based on the measurements was used to bolster IPCC statements about rapid global warming in recent decades.

The IPCC has already been criticised for its use of information that had not been rigorously checked - in particular a false claim that all Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035.

Of 105 freedom of information requests to the University of East Anglia over the climatic research unit, which Dr Jones led until the end of December, only 10 had been released in full.
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In at least one of the emails they mention ways that they can use not to release information, and in one of the emails Jones himself jokes saying...:

....If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think Ill delete the file rather than send to anyone."

www.cbsnews.com...

Yet more evidence is being found that Jones, one of the scammers and main proponents of the AGW lie has been using many ways, even illegal ways to hide information, and they hae been giving fraudulent information just to keep AGW, which sorry to say the evidence shows has become n othing more than a religion based on lies, flawed assumptions and even fraud.

Jones is now being accused of withhelding information and that he sought to hide the problems in temperature data in which the AGW lie is based on.

Let's hope Jones, and the rest of the scammers are brought to justice for the offence they have perpetrated against the whole world, to push for their agendas based on lies, flawed assumptions and fraud.

Impossible. The global warming cadre here at ATS have explicitly stated that all the misinformation, fraud and lies come only from the deniers.

reply to post by watcher73


Naaa, there are scientists trying to come clean and push the blame and even claim "they did it for a good purpose"....

Some other members and I have posted what these people are saying, but like you are saying the AGW cadre of fanatics in the forums will try to twist this again in their favor as they continue to try to keep their religion alive...

The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.
‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.’

Dr Lal’s admission will only add to the mounting furore over the melting glaciers assertion, which the IPCC was last week forced to withdraw because it has no scientific foundation.

According to the IPCC’s statement of principles, its role is ‘to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis, scientific, technical and socio-economic information – IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy’.
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BTW, be certain that the AGW believers will try to use any way to silence anyone, and everyone, including using the tactics their masters have used, and keep using to try to silence anyone who dares to post research that refutes AGW....

Those AGW believers in the forums will try to get people like me banned from the forums so they can try to keep their religion alive...

Already one of them, melatonin, did that to me once, and they will try again.

[edit on 2-2-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Seems like there is something in the news every day regarding the global warming scam. Any one with comedy central should know the global warming episode of south park is on LOL

Here's something related...from wattsupwiththat.com

UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article.

"The United Nations’ expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world’s mountain tops on a student’s dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine."

the rest of the story

as I said in the other thread

no one with a brain can believe in any of the situations ... there are no proofs to either side, so

the best thing to do would be to research, the problem is that we are dealing with a conspiracy and its hard to detect who is the good and who is the bad group

but one thing I can say, follow the money, our world is all about money, so, if you think AL GORE politics arent a little weird - since a country that produces CO2 can buy credits from other countries that doesnt produce, causing it to NOT change anything relating to nature - ... well ... then u may want to eat more fish, doesnt fish make us all smarter?

reply to post by Faiol


You have got to be kidding... Are you willingly ignoring the fact that the AGW scammers were caught in their web of lies, and they even had to admit that they have used false information knowingly just to push for their globalist agenda, and you want to claim it is not possible to see who is good and who is bad?....

Let's put it this way...apart from the global taxes that the scammers, and the globalists want to put on CO2, which in case you dind't know you are living in a carbon based world, one where CO2 is needed by all lifeforms to exist, what these people want to do, among other things, is sequester atmospheric CO2, and that will cause the worse environmental impact that mankind has ever caused. It will cause for billions of people more to starve, as well as animals.

Research has shown that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 than at present are benefitial to all green biomass, including plants, trees, and harvests, and with increased atmospheric CO2 at 1,200-1,500 plants, trees, and harvests in general increase 60% in production. Atmospheric CO2 on Earth right now is at 380ppm.

It is also a known fact that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 cause plants, and trees to make better use of water, which means they need less water with higher levels of atmospheric CO2.

But you go ahead and keep claiming you don't know "who is bad, and who is good" in this regard.

Although there are many people who are supporting the AGW scam because they don't know anything about Climate Change, and many people still want to believe in the AGW lie even though it has finally been shown to be nothing more than a scam, those people are not bad, they are ignorant, and there are many who want to remain ignorant.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

This sort of information shuld be refreshed for those who are "once again" trying to revive the AGW scam/lie, and so people don't forget the facts involved the whole AGW scam/lie....