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Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
reply to post by Sestias
Welcome to Earth. It's called survival, and if you cannot survive on your own (be it completely by yourself, or by unifying yourself with civilization), then you can only hope that the cruel world takes you fast and without much pain. Evolution is the name of the game.
I'm not saying we need to let people starve. No one here is saying that. What we're saying is...people help those if they benefit themselves (either monetarily or emotionally). Society helps those who help themselves.
Originally posted by Darky5K
Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
I suggest you read Doc's previous posts. He used to be on the beach for TWO YEARS. He pulled himself up by the boot straps, like any decent human being (kudos Doc), and he didn't even bother using the welfare system (unlike many who love to live off the fruits of others).
The only person you should be disgusted with is you and the limo-liberals who STEAL from hard working folks like Doc, and give his earnings to people who...yes I'll say it....DON'T DESERVE IT!!!
Doc and Brainwrek, I tip my hat to you fellows. I can't stay in this thread without fuming.
Allow TPTB get what they want and eliminate all the 'useless eaters'?
Originally posted by Darky5K
You didn't even answer my question, you even cut it out of your post
Originally posted by koolerthanjesus
Perfect government solution. Close the schools and open the jails. There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system.
Originally posted by koolerthanjesus
Lower and middle income citizens are effectively denied freedom of choice in education because they are taxed to support the government schools and cannot afford to pay twice for the same service. Like any coercive monopoly without any real competition, the government schools therefore produce an inferior product at an exorbitant price. Time to give the private sector a shot.
Originally posted by koolerthanjesus
Perfect government solution. Close the schools and open the jails. There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system.
Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
While some may say, 'well what about singer mothers with 5 children to take care of?' To that I say...."If you're in a period of your life where you can't even work for yourself, then don't have kids! Having children is a conscious choice, and your childrens' suffering is your own fault and you should be ashamed at creating a life that will only know suffering!"
Originally posted by Kailassa
And what about mothers who are deserted, who are widows, or who have abusive husbands?
My husband turned mean when we learned out 2 sons were handicapped, so he kept trying to injure and even kill them. So I had to leave him, and became a single mother with 3 little kids. As 2 were handicapped I couldn't work, but that was no tragedy because I could get a single parent pension. Despite rumours of this pension being extravagantly generous, I could not afford heating, and had to burn collected rubbish for warmth.
We survived, I attended classes and gained qualifications I could use working from home, I started paying taxes, and all my three children, despite their handicaps and eligibility for pensions work and pay taxes too.
The total government support I got was ~$1,000,000.
Since then my children and I have paid about twice that in taxes, and they will be paying taxes for many years to come. It's a sound investment if you ask me.
Single parents like me are the ones you never hear about, but we are not uncommon.
By the way, the single parent pension was not invented as an act of charity. It was worked out that it was cheaper to pay a woman to stay home and look after her own children than to support them in an orphanage. So orphanages were closed and replaced with this pension.
Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
And therein lies the problem. The taxation in America is redundant, and a way for the elite to horde money from even the people who need it the most (such as yourself and your children). If you're family was not taxed, they would be able to live better, fuller lives as well as getting help from others who could then afford to help. Humanity is a ruthless barrage of selfishness, but there are also MANY compassionate people who would help.
Well, I have to agree here, overtaxation is about 50 percent of the problem, the other 50 percent is that people are not paid enough to survive off of, especially those in the lower wrungs of the business world, for example cashiers, food service personnel, and the like, what would you have them do? And before you answer with "well tehy can get better jobs than that, attend some shool, earn a degree, etc." think about who will take those positions then? High school students? They never last long primarily cause they would rather do something else than be employed, and are mostly undependable anyway...sooo what do you suggest? More illegals to do it for next to nothing? If there are no more government handouts, there wouldn't be any illegals, so then what do you think would happen to that corporation who sells you those Big macs you love so much? It would close down, that's what. The problem only compounds from every angle anybody takes...this issue is like beating a dead horse...or liek a dream where you're running and running, but not getting anywhere. Kiling off the poor people won't help, because a lot of corporations would be totally incapable of running anymore without those people.
Originally posted by ldyserenity
Well, I have to agree here, overtaxation is about 50 percent of the problem, the other 50 percent is that people are not paid enough to survive off of, especially those in the lower wrungs of the business world, for example cashiers, food service personnel, and the like, what would you have them do? And before you answer with "well tehy can get better jobs than that, attend some shool, earn a degree, etc." think about who will take those positions then? High school students? They never last long primarily cause they would rather do something else than be employed, and are mostly undependable anyway...sooo what do you suggest? More illegals to do it for next to nothing? If there are no more government handouts, there wouldn't be any illegals, so then what do you think would happen to that corporation who sells you those Big macs you love so much? It would close down, that's what. The problem only compounds from every angle anybody takes...this issue is like beating a dead horse...or liek a dream where you're running and running, but not getting anywhere. Kiling off the poor people won't help, because a lot of corporations would be totally incapable of running anymore without those people.
Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
Originally posted by ldyserenity
Well, I have to agree here, overtaxation is about 50 percent of the problem, the other 50 percent is that people are not paid enough to survive off of, especially those in the lower wrungs of the business world, for example cashiers, food service personnel, and the like, what would you have them do? And before you answer with "well tehy can get better jobs than that, attend some shool, earn a degree, etc." think about who will take those positions then? High school students? They never last long primarily cause they would rather do something else than be employed, and are mostly undependable anyway...sooo what do you suggest? More illegals to do it for next to nothing? If there are no more government handouts, there wouldn't be any illegals, so then what do you think would happen to that corporation who sells you those Big macs you love so much? It would close down, that's what. The problem only compounds from every angle anybody takes...this issue is like beating a dead horse...or liek a dream where you're running and running, but not getting anywhere. Kiling off the poor people won't help, because a lot of corporations would be totally incapable of running anymore without those people.
Taxation is also part of the reason why employees are paid so low. An employer pays typically 2 to 3 times the employees salary in taxes and training and over head. If taxes were lifted off of smaller businesses for example, the employer would then be freed to pay the employee 1/3 more money, and keep the other 1/3 for growing his business. It's a win/win. Of course there is no guarantee that would happen (though a smaller mom and pop shops would probably help out their employees more than a giant corp would), it would allow the potential for higher pay, since the government won't steal an employees wage through his/her employer as well.
Originally posted by koolerthanjesus
Perfect government solution. Close the schools and open the jails. There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system.