You want a revolution?

Why its going to be near impossible...

A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time.

People are happy with their way of life as it is now! The problem is that we have built a perfect little world inside our own and have forgotten how the real world works...

A select few people are aware that we are living a lie and want to do something about it, however the obstacle stopping them are themselves... (The human race as a whole.)




[edit on 20-1-2010 by Wolf ]

People are generally happy until they realize the truth that they aren't in charge of their lives as the originally thought themselves to be.

Soon you start to realizes that everything from your finances to your choices are predetermined to an extend - whether it be complete control or countless regulations sealing you into a proverbial box.

Once people start to realize that they aren't quite as free as they were promised, it grows in them. When they start to suffer because of wrongdoings of the government, they begin to get angry. The more that feeling grows, they more they lose in the subconscious right to gain true freedom, the easier it will be for them to lay everything on the line and fight for truth and justice.

There are many who are already on the edge, but mostly they lack a leader. People are afraid of one thing more than all others - they are afraid that they are alone. If they act alone, and no one joins them, then they will fail. This eats at anybody with dreams of a revolution.

So for now, they bide their time. They hide their emotions. Some days it is harder than other. Meanwhile, those who are still disillusioned by their false sense of security will tell them that peace and the voting system will bring about the change we seek. So we wait some more. We wait for the day that even the doubters have been proven wrong. Where the hope in the peaceful revolution they search for diminishes simply because the handlers refuse to listen and they no longer have reason to. We are obedient now... to their every whim.


It is only those who do see past the false reality, those who see hope even if it means their livelihoods - they will have a revolution... and in time more will follow. They always do.

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The problem is that we have built a perfect little world inside our own and have forgotten how the real world works...

The same consequent to the time wherein men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them withal. In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

I know how the real world works. Why the hell do you think I try to avoid it as much as possible.

People are generally happy until they realize the truth that they aren't in charge of their lives as the originally thought themselves to be.

You get used to it, which is about all you can do. Just getting down to brass tacks of social psychology, most of your decisions and opinions are not even your own, but are subconsciously molded and influenced by the environment and atmosphere you're currently in. See: Stanford Prison Experiment.

Problem is... humans are social creatures. Even the most insular isolates among us need some kind of social interaction, be it other humans, pets, simulated via TV/PC, volleyballs with a face drawn on them... whatever. This is why solitary is considered one of the worst institutional forms of punishment. To say nothing of feral children deprived of social interaction during their formative years. And of course, like most social/pack animals - we naturally create leadership and social hierarchies to define and order our groups. That is what is most natural... instinctual even, though the form and function may differ. To suggest that we are all nations unto our own, untethered to the will of others - yet live together in peace... THAT... that is what is unnatural.

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The modern lifestyle you live has lead you to these thoughts and decisions...

This is what I am getting at, for people to truly understand, we need to forget everything we have learnt and created and start again...

A revolution will require organization, planning, the will to be cruel and to endure suffering. I'm sure there are alot of folks who look forward to the cruelty aspect. But how many are willing to make sacrifices?

As you cry about a non-happening revolution its already and has been going on all around you yet you fail to see that and it only tells me one thing.

People are working their asses off to awaken people everywhere and its working just because you don't see everyone going crazy on the news blowing sh** up in the streets does not mean there is no revolution.

Slap yourself in the face a couple of times and see if you awake after that if not you may have no hope.

Later Tater

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[edit on 20-1-2010 by OpTiMuS_PrImE]

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"Modern" Man, our species, has been around for about 150,000 to 200,000 years or more. There is no difference between the emergence of those first humans, the Cro-Magnon who drove Neanderthal out of Europe, and you or I. All three are considered AMH - Anatomically Modern Humans. Even though some specimens such as the Skhul remains from about 120~80kya do display some archaic features, the cranial cavity has remained virtually identical. Especially when compared to Neanderthal - which by all accounts had larger and more robust brains than we have.

Neanderthal Cranial Growth vs. Human Cranial Growth

Reconstructions of a Neanderthal neonate from Mezmaiskaya Cave (Russia) and of two Neanderthal infant skeletons from Dederiyeh Cave (Syria) now provide new comparative insights: Neanderthal brain size at birth was similar to that in recent Homo sapiens and most likely subject to similar obstetric constraints. Neanderthal brain growth rates during early infancy were higher, however. This pattern of growth resulted in larger adult brain sizes but not in earlier completion of brain growth.

Further comparisons between Neanderthal and Human fossil sites show that both of us had early markers of behavioral modernity which are universal to all known human cultures, not to mention correlates in primate behavior. Only further distinguished by evidence of abstract thought and inflection sometime in the upper paleolithic. Even before Cro-Magnon spread into Neanderthal territory in Europe, both groups had art, music, burials, crafted bone tools, etc. In fact, they probably taught US how to make fire. Not the other way around. There's even evidence to suggest the taming of fire came long before AMH - because the effects cooking would have had in explaining why our (and our recent ancestors) anatomy is the way it is. This could well be the origins of the male-female societal roles, as males would offer protection during the longer wait time between the kill and the meal. That the male hunted in early Homo(Genus) social groups is not a given, since evidence in Chimpanzee social groups indicate that it is the females who will sharpen simple spears and kill bush babies for food while the males defend territory.

So yeah, if you want to wipe the slate clean and forget everything humanity has learned - enjoy your nasty, poor, brutish, and short existence. This is what you have to look forward to.



Or, if you're not convinced, you could just look into failed nation states, disaster areas commonly associated with a breakdown of infrastructure, or look into the case of feral children whom spent their formative years absent or with minimal contact from human interaction.

Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
People are working their asses off to awaken people everywhere and its working just because you don't see everyone going crazy on the news blowing sh** up in the streets does not mean there is no revolution.

Good point there.

Revolutions are a funny thing. Someone said of revolutions (paraphrase here) that “revolutions occur when the expectations of average people do not meet their reality”. That’s just a round–about way of saying that people will revolt when they feel they are being cheated.

What a societies definition of being ‘cheated’ is can widely vary. For ancient Israelites it might be being forced to pay homage to a foreign god. For 18th century Frenchmen it might be not having a full loaf of bread every day. For modern Americans – who knows. It could be no longer being able to maintain a second car or big-screen tv. The point is that nobody has ever been able to ascertain the precise moment in which a society will say “ENOUGH!!!” and start to revolt.

The other point is that revolution is now a subject of open debate. That, in and of itself, is ominous. Who among us (that can remember) can recall serious and casual talk of revolution in the 70’s or 80’s? When was the last time when it was seriously considered? 1860? 1776?

I for one can attest that I have never seen – in my life – a time when so many average people muttered about needing a revolution. That means there is at least the philosophical potential for revolt. That is the first step. For if people do not think about a thing it cannot happen. But if they set their minds upon it, it may.

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Ugh...

Maybe I am just wasting my time here!

Goodbye...

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lol...Wolf you are not wasting your time, most just don't get it. I know where you are coming from. It's a tough world right now. One day soon we will be heard. I want a revolution too. It's called throwing aside the past and stepping boldly into the future with a knowledge that we will create a better world. One that values life, and still allows for the pleasure of self.

I am curious, where have all you that are demanding "revolution" been?

Maybe you need to study your history more. There has been a change in the U.S. taking place since the late sixties.



Remember all those student radical protesters holding rallies on campuses all around the country demanding change?Who do you think they were listening to?

The ones that wanted to "fundamentally change the way our government works" and to enact laws that would benefit those who were of color or disenfranchised.

They got smart and realized to effect change you have to work within the system.They stayed in school,became educators,doctors,and lawyers even some became business majors, but they all had a goal,to effect change.

They were even more sly.To not become one of the capitalist tools they took positions with in the government.

They became professors in state universities and public schools so they could spread their word to influential young people.All these jobs are paid by the people.

The lawyers became Public defenders or district attorneys or found their way in to the Justice Department.All paid for by the people.

Their goal was to run for public office at any level or be put in position such as a judge.

To effect change.

Doctors and nurses took positions with in public hospitals or clinics or any other publicly funded medical organization.

Some went in to journalism or entertainment field.They knew they could influence the populace with their music,writings,commentary or movies.

They knew over time they would slowly but surely whittle away at the foundation of the country and re-invent it in their idea.

And they have.

Obama was "awarded" the peace prize because he is the son of the radical "New World" socialist movement.He was reared by socialists educated by socialists and became the leader of the free world to "fundamentally change the way our government works".

It took the socialist student radicals 40 years to achieve their goal.

It does not make me wonder at how bad this present administration is.

They are,everyone to a person a product of "Affirmative Action" a socialist program.

My friend the revolution is over if you live in the states.

They have legislated us to death, took away so many freedoms,all designed to control our ability to think logically or morally.

This country the land of the free has the highest number of prisoners incarcerated per population.

Revolution?

It is over.They won the socialists and their agenda after 40 years of strife they control the educational system the legislature, the media,the judicial system.

WE lost.Because know one would listen when people with common sense complained.

Here I will leave you with a little music.

A little ditty written after this revolutionary said he had read the communist manifesto.

Sing along if you want to.





[edit on 17-2-2010 by Oneolddude]

Nobody wants revolution just sometimes its necessary, and there will be a breaking point eventually where we will not be able to tolerate what we ourselves played a huge role in making

Sure, we've all been there. Sometimes, you gotta be radical. But extremists in general are impotent people because they believe dogma and ideology are more important than getting things done. This disease inflicts even the most intelligent of thinkers. The Unabomber was an exceptionally intelligent individual, but chose to blow up a few random targets and then go to prison for life, instead of at least setting a biochemical industry on fire. He was a thinker, not an activist. But despite the fact that extremists always pride themselves on being activists, they rarely achieve anything of substantial value, besides scaring the same public they hope to persuade.

Lets just all join hands and play a game. The game is called Dream up a world with no suffering or violence. Can you guys do it. If you can that would be a revolution.

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It is quite simply because of what you state that revolution is unpreventable. You may not understand this but I have seen it. There is something within the American populous that is different then the rest of the world. Sure, they come off as lazy and unintelligent but Americans are by far the most PROUD people I've come to know throughout my studied of history.

It is because of that pride that they will never allow a full disarmament or conversion from out core beliefs. Even now when the surface is only beginning to be scratched, people have awoken. Patriots train and prepare for the day they know is coming, when the powers will take one step too far. Before they know it the majority will no longer be in their favor, sleeping under their spell, but they will be marching towards them, weapons raised and demanding the restoration of our country.

The socialist revolutionaries of ages past were swayed just as any man should be by the promises of socialism and Communism in general. They are utopias - equality for all. In theory, socialism is the greatest system of government on Earth, however it fails to account for one thing that has lead it astray so many times it has been implemented in the past: human nature.

If humans weren't already so immorally corrupt with greed and arrogance, Communism would have been great. However, there were nations of the world that have tried that test and they have failed. The more people you have, the more people will disagree with socialist ideals. The more people that disagree with the ideals, the harder the hammer has to be brought down upon them to keep them in line. The harder the hammer is brought down the more the plot and connive to break free. Thus, socialism will never be plausible.

While I'm sure those revolutionaries had the good in their heart, the reaction of socialism against the Republic was only caused by the corruption that had over taken it. If the corruption and greed had not been given a foothold in our government, the United States will have been, and will have remained the greatest country on the Earth for all to bear witness to, the Republic being the greatest form of government to be instilled.

But the Republic broke way to "Democracy" and this broken Democracy broke free to a hidden oligarchy. It is the corruption of safety that has allowed the people to turn a blind eye towards their government and forget what it was intended to be.



All of the American people will rise up. They might not all rise up on the same side, but they will rise. Any true blooded American will fight to defend what they believe in whether it be the socialist structure that has become of us, or whether it be the fundamentals of our Founding Fathers and the Constitution that they have provided us.

I stand on the side of my Founding Fathers, for in their words of wisdom I have yet to see them be wrong. They have warned us so clearly and direly of what would come of America if we let it, and yet our ancestors ignored them. They chose to turn that blind eye.

Now we stand at the point once again. Some will tell us to ask "King George" for redress of our grievances. We have tried. They will tell us to try again. We already have. They will tell us to infiltrate the government, as if it was as simple as throwing your name in a hat. They will tell us to wait some more, and continue waiting as we have for the past 100 years... waiting for something to change but doing nothing to lead that change. They will tell us to wait but the American people will WAIT NO MORE.

This revolution IS coming whether anyone chooses to see it or not. I say that not as a threat, I say this as an observation. The heaviness of the air is exactly how it was described before the last Revolution and the Founding Fathers knew then what was coming; what HAD to come.

Something will eventually have to give one way or the other. In my opinion we should have voted Ron Paul in 2008. We didn't and now here we are on the verge of a Revolution. I have lived here in America for a half of a century and have never seen things this bad.
Aimee Allen says it all in her Ron Paul Revolution song... If someone would like to post it here is the link.

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 17-2-2010 by kennylee]

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Ron Paul's world view is a Conservative libertarian critique of all forms of organized authority. This led him to become a strong critic of globalism. Many of us signed up for it--who wants commerce to become a religion? The problem was that Ron Paul's grass roots gradually transformed into anti-globalists with a totally different agenda. Alex Jones became a frequent interviewer, the 9/11 Truth movement took interest in him, and Israel critics followed his campaign. If you're an alienated candidate like Ron Paul, you try to consolidate whatever agreements you have with other alienated groups. Bad idea, Ron

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I think it's only a bad idea simply because people don't think for themselves. They follow the heard and RP had a damn good shot at the nomination had the media not slanted his viewpoints and associated him with those "crazy conspiracy people." I never agreed with RP 100% on everything. I'm more of a social libertarian. However, I could see that RP was the only honest person running for the nomination on the Republican side. He was true to his views and believed in the individual.