America Rising: A Video Letter to Washington

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The video is specifically targeted to Democrats, not Republicans, so dont pull out the impartiality card.

I would appreciate an explanation of what it is, exactly, you are accusing me?

Many who have replied here, can't just take the video at face value. They just have to impose their own ideology. Why can't you stop and realize that this is exactly the same message, presented by those opposed to the Bush era politics, during the '06 and '08 campaigns?

The message is, simply, that those who failed to deliver on their campaign promises, will be held accountable, at the ballot box. This time, it just happens to be the Democrats who are at the receiving end of hatchet.

If anyone here were serious about denigrating the video, they would attempt to dispute the accusations made, in the video, rather than just regurgitating the same old, tired mantras.

Personally, as I said, I am sick of the whole bunch and think giving the Democrats and the Republicans a 4 to 6 year vacation, would do us all some good.

While trying to search out the origination of the original video, I ran across this one, directed at Republicans. Not sure if it comes from the same source or not. As a side note, be sure to google "America Rising video" and see all the discussion of the video being targeted for removal from numerous sites.

Originally posted by WTFover
I would appreciate an explanation of what it is, exactly, you are accusing me?

Im accusing you of choosing a blatantly bias and misfinformative video. For the entire video it spent time bashing the Democrats and only the Democrats, as if this mess popped up the minute Obama was elected. In addition to that what $6.4 trillion? The video mentioned $6.4 trillion? What references? Where did Obama spend $6.4 trillion? Healthcare reform? You mean the american people want the country to remain under the current rip off of corporate healthcare we got?? I mean is this video against health reform or the healthcare proposals sent out by Obama??

Many who have replied here, can't just take the video at face value. They just have to impose their own ideology. Why can't you stop and realize that this is exactly the same message, presented by those opposed to the Bush era politics, during the '06 and '08 campaigns?

Yes, and I am pritty sure there was shortage of folks rattling on the Democratic congress of 2007? Your saying there were no videos bashing Obama in 2008? It went both ways during even the Bush administration. So I dont know how you are intending to make excuses for the same kind of video bashing one of the parties while giving the other no exposure at and accountability all. This guy who made the video has pritty great subscribers, one of them called "Alabama GOP". I mean seriously?? This is just another partisan hack of a video.

If this video held both parties accountable for the cr*p we have gone through over the last 10years the I would have understood to an extent that you and the maker of this video gave a damn about our issues, not just the R"s or the D's. But it appears nothing of the sort.

The message is, simply, that those who failed to deliver on their campaign promises,

So I'd assume the Republicans followed on their campaign promises? I suppose they did a wonderful job during their 8years considering the video holds no accountability of them.

This time, it just happens to be the Democrats who are at the receiving end of hatchet.

To be replaced by the GOP. Wonderful.

If anyone here were serious about denigrating the video, they would attempt to dispute the accusations made,

Accusations? The video rallied on about the "american people" as if the "american people" didnt want healthcare reform, which is BS as the majority of americans wanted healthcare reform. Many may have been against this current healthcare proposal as it stands, but reform has majority support. So the "american people" is pure garbage and should be changed to "the republican voters" who dont want any reform whatsoever.

Accusations about the stimulus? $1.2 trillion?? Where did he get that? Obamas stimulus package which went back into the country cost $780 billion. $6.4 trillion?? Where did the video get that figure??

Why didnt the video mention the $5 trillion debt we got from the Bush administration when they held power in both congress and the whitehouse??

Why didnt the video mention the $1 trillion funding hike on military spending for his administration? Thats an additional $1 trillion funding hike to the already $500 billion military budget??!

Why didnt the video mention the lies about the Iraq war?

Why didnt the video mention the fact the republicans brought no solutions to our issues in this nation for the last few years??

Why didnt the video mention the economic collapse under Bush? Its funny the video is only addressed to Dems and Obama and yet its happy enough to reference the wallstreet crash that actually occured under Bushes watch.


Why didnt the video mention anything about the Republican party?? I can take a wonderful guess, because the video maker is in the tank for the GOP and its obviously not because of their performance. How are you any different by promoting it??

Personally, as I said, I am sick of the whole bunch and think giving the Democrats and the Republicans a 4 to 6 year vacation, would do us all some good.

And yet you reference a GOP hack of a video bashing the Democrats.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by jam321
But I would like to see more reps or independents to balance out Congress.

Didnt you say the Democrats and the Republicans are one in the same? So how can you argue on the notion that Republicans will balance the house out?

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Im accusing you of choosing a blatantly bias and misfinformative video.

"Choosing"??? I didn't "choose" this video. Had you not been so focused on defending your beloved messiah and his minions, you would have read that I received a link to the video in an email. I did not, as you suggest, seek out a video "bashing" just Democrats. Also, you would have recognized that I believe the video only addresses half the problem. In fact, it seems you are the one inclined to want to only "bash" Republicans, as that is all you have decided to address, with your complaining. Pot...Kettle...Black? Misinformative or just information with which you disagree?

In addition to that what $6.4 trillion? The video mentioned $6.4 trillion? What references? Where did Obama spend $6.4 trillion?

CNNMoney.com’s “Bailout Tracker” calculates that the Federal Reserve’s rescue efforts total $6.4 trillion – and that doesn’t include the $700 billion TARP program.

ac360.blogs.cnn.com... This is from a source, I'm sure your in love with. A story written by Jennifer Rizzo, Assignment Editor, CNN New York and posted on AC360's CNN blog page. Enjoy.

Healthcare reform? You mean the american people want the country to remain under the current rip off of corporate healthcare we got?? I mean is this video against health reform or the healthcare proposals sent out by Obama??

Okay? The video is 3 minutes and 11 seconds long. Sorry, but that is not enough time to address the entire healthcare reform debate. Without delving too deep into that issue, I'll just say. Yes, there are problems that need to be corrected and no, the current proposed legislation will not solve much and will only create more problems. This is what happens when legislators don't read bills and hastily decide that "we have to do something now", no matter what it is. Healthcare reform is merely used as a political football, by both parties. If either, truly, wanted reform, we would already have it. Oh, and, by the way. That is just my opinion and not attempting to infer that is what the video is portraying.

So I dont know how you are intending to make excuses for the same kind of video bashing one of the parties while giving the other no exposure at and accountability all... If this video held both parties accountable for the cr*p we have gone through over the last 10years the I would have understood to an extent that you and the maker of this video gave a damn about our issues, not just the R"s or the D's...So I'd assume the Republicans followed on their campaign promises? I suppose they did a wonderful job during their 8years considering the video holds no accountability of them.

Again, the 3 minute 11 second video addresses the fact that the current Democrat administration and Congressional majority were elected because of their promises to Change the way things were going. They had their chance. They failed. They continued on the same path.

To be replaced by the GOP. Wonderful.

I'm going to type very slowly, this time. N-O. I have, very plainly, explained my position and the video never mentions the GOP or Republican. Your defensive nature just wishes that it would.

"the republican voters" who dont want any reform whatsoever.

Really? Care to source that?

As for the rest of your list of "Why didn't" questions. That is the basis of the video. Democrats were trusted to change those things and have not. If you believe the Democrats took control of both Houses of Congress and the Whitehouse, without the votes of many Republicans, Independents and conservatives, you are more than just a little confused.

Thanks for playing, though.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by WTFover]

Originally posted by WTFover
"Choosing"??? I didn't "choose" this video.

You chose to post this thread in reference to this specific partisan video and claimed it was sending a message. So, I dont understand how you can try to distance yourself from it. Evidently you took in everything the video said if you referenced it.

Had you not been so focused on defending your beloved messiah

His not my messiah sorry. I supported Obama for his policies, not for worship so cut the childish insults. People can support candidates without worshipping them and if this is how you intend to argue your views, you will get no where.

I received a link to the video in an email.

And you in turn did the same thing by forwarding this video and linking it to ATS. You are no different to the individual that sent you this video.

I did not, as you suggest, seek out a video "bashing" just Democrats.

And yet you posted it knowing full well its blatant bias over the issues and responsibilities to this nation.

Also, you would have recognized that I believe the video only addresses half the problem.

The video addresses the Democrats and only the Democrats. It makes no mention of the Republicans and the responsibilities to this mess carried by the Republicans. Its another GOP hack of a video.

In fact, it seems you are the one inclined to want to only "bash" Republicans, as that is all you have decided to address, with your complaining.

What are you talking about? Your OP in reference to the video only blamed the Democrats for the mess and I stated that the Republicans held responsibility for this mess as well. So no its not hypocritical as I was addressing the bias of the video. In no way did I exclude the Democrats from responsibility unlike your OP and the video you referenced.

CNNMoney.com’s “Bailout Tracker” calculates that the Federal Reserve’s rescue efforts total $6.4 trillion – and that doesn’t include the $700 billion TARP program.

ac360.blogs.cnn.com... This is from a source, I'm sure your in love with. A story written by Jennifer Rizzo, Assignment Editor, CNN New York and posted on AC360's CNN blog page.

That had been accumulating since the Bush administration, supported by many Republicans in part for the bail out. So this video, directly blaming Democrats and only Democrats for $6.4 trillion that had originated from the Bush administration, supported in part by many Republicans is evidently misleading and bias. Yet you continue to make excuses.

Okay? The video is 3 minutes and 11 seconds long. Sorry, but that is not enough time to address the entire healthcare reform debate.

Not enough time? The video made it clear. It blamed Democrats for pushing healthcare reform. The video is advocating against healthcare reform. Not just the healthcare bill from the Democrats but healthcare reform. The video made it clear its opposition to healthcare reform and you referenced it as "a message" from the american people. So you made it clear where you stand.

the current Democrat administration and Congressional majority were elected because of their promises to Change the way things were going.

And the republicans were not elected as well?? How can you argue that the Democrats broke their promises when folks like lieberman and opposition voters like yourself cried at every attempt to implement those changes? How can you blame the Democrats for failing to achieve their promises when people like you in congress and outside helped to block them from happening?

I'm going to type very slowly, this time. N-O.

And yet the video only advocates the removal of the Democrats.

Really? Care to source that?

Yes there is a source, in your video where it blames the Democrats for pushing healthcare reform. So the video opposes healthcare reform, and you referenced it as "a message" from the voters, including yourself evidently.

SG

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Yes, they are one in the same as far as taking advantages of Americans. But even you have to admit that they have different agendas in achieving their goals.

Do I want the Republicans to take over? Honestly, NO.

IMO, that would not help our country. It would merely create a battle between the WH and Congress. Let's be frank. We know that Republicans have no respect for Obama. Nothing would get done. Our country doesn't need that. On the other hand, our country doesn't need a party passing one sided legislation. This will only end up in angering and dividing a good portion of the country.

If Reps or independents could pick up more seats, then I feel that there will have to be more cooperation in Congress. They wouldn't be able to pass any bill they like just because they have the numbers. I feel it is important to have a somewhat balance bill, not a one sided bill. In the situation we are in now, we do need unity.

Obama has 3 years left. We need him to succeed. I don't believe he is socialist, illegal, or any of the stuff you hear. I do believe he is trying his best. Unfortunately, he was left with a big mess and I really don't think any person rep, dem, or Ind could have done any better. We would still be seeing the same situation. Furthermore, Congresses almost year long healthcare debate hasn't helped Obama to address the economy.

You may not agree, but I think Congress has been Obama's biggest obstacle. I think the Dems in Congress felt they were going to own Obama once he got elected. I do believe they got a rude awakening. There is no reason why Obama shouldn't have had his healthcare bill sooner. A better healtcare bill at that.

Can you honestly say that the Democrat led Congress has helped Obama?

Dems routed the reps in 08. Basically destroyed the reps. It should have taken the reps a long time to regroup, but instead they are ready to contend in 2010. How is that possible? I guarantee you one thing, it isn't Obama's fault.

Originally posted by jam321
But even you have to admit that they have different agendas in achieving their goals.

In your prior arguments Jam, they had different agenda's but either way they were not doing america any justice. So it still doesnt justice how they would balance eachother out.

I dont believe all Democrats and Republicans are bad. I believe there are good politicians on both sides who have made an effort to represent the people, but over the last few years, in particular on this site, people have just labelled both parties overall as bad. I find it rather hypocritical that some of these folks who used these labels are coming back arguing for "balance" between both parties, following their complete dismissal of it.

Do I want the Republicans to take over? Honestly, NO.

It doesnt matter whether they took over or not Jam. It didnt matter whether the Democrats took over. It didnt matter if both parties had equal power in congress. Their performances and agendas were all bad and they are one in the same as prior argued by yourself and many others, so its a moot to argue that matter.

If Reps or independents could pick up more seats,

Republicans are the same as the Democrats Jam. You said it yourself. Why do you think they will change anything from picking up more seats? Same for the Dems if they defended they majority. Any argument about the two parties "picking up more seats for balance" is a moot as, you and others here had said prior, they are all the same. If both the Democrats and the Republicans health equal balance, and some independents go it, I'd bet my bottom dollar the Republicans and Democrats together would still hold a filibuster proof majority so having independents is a joke really, unless there is a rally to get them as majority instead of the two other parties. Otherwise you find independents either having to align to either of the major parties, or to find themselves completely ignored.

They wouldn't be able to pass any bill they like just because they have the numbers.

You tell me what significant bills the Democrats managed to pass easily?

Obama has 3 years left. We need him to succeed. I don't believe he is socialist, illegal, or any of the stuff you hear. I do believe he is trying his best. Unfortunately, he was left with a big mess and I really don't think any person rep, dem, or Ind could have done any better. We would still be seeing the same situation. Furthermore, Congresses almost year long healthcare debate hasn't helped Obama to address the economy.

The corporate healthcare in this country has been in part the problem to the economy. People are barely making their payments on their healthcare insurances. Small businesses are going bankrupt because of the rising costs of healthcare. The debate on healthcare reform is in part the debate on the causes of the economy and lack of consumer spending.

You may not agree, but I think Congress has been Obama's biggest obstacle.

Oh I am glad we agree on something. But do you think the Republicans gaining more seats will solve that issue??

Pushing independents to gain more seats and majority in congress is the only way, and we can do this by rallying voters statewide. The only problem is that theres little will power, little funding and most folks unfortunately are too busy bickering instead of voting out both the major parties as majority.

It should have taken the reps a long time to regroup, but instead they are ready to contend in 2010. How is that possible?

Its not. I personally dont believe the Republicans have lightening chance in 2010. Its mostly media hype, in part by conservatives themselves, to push confidence and to create more drama in DC. There are just as many Republicans retiring in 2010 as of the Dems, and in addition to that Republicans have to defend 41 seats to the Democrats 59. While the Democrats have abit more to defend, most of them are in blue states. It is the red states, Nevada, arkansas Indiana and to some extent colorado which they really have to watch out for. Thats not to say the Republicans will not making winnings. In my opinion I dont see the Dems maintaining their filibuster proof position, however I dont think the Republicans will gain anything more than to break the filibuster proof majority, which was useless anyway given the split even among Democrats.

What I am frustrated about is that why, if the Republicans performed so badly years before, and the Democrats not successful for the last 4 years, is it that folks want to rally back to Republican?? If they are both bad why not focus only on independents? People do themselves an injustice by limiting themselves.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by Southern Guardian

What I am frustrated about is that why, if the Republicans performed so badly years before, and the Democrats not successful for the last 4 years, is it that folks want to rally back to Republican?? If they are both bad why not focus only on independents? People do themselves an injustice by limiting themselves.

Great question. I think most of the nation will live and die by the party line.

I guess you can say I saw the light toward the end of 08. I promised not to vote for either party. My choice will lie with an independent.

But it has to be a true independent. Not some former rep or dem running as an independent.

Pushing independents to gain more seats and majority in congress is the only way, and we can do this by rallying voters statewide. The only problem is that theres little will power, little funding and most folks unfortunately are too busy bickering instead of voting out both the major parties as majority.

Here is a thread where the op and I were discussing such issue. Short thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The only problem I see here is getting quality independent candidates to run.

Many can't because of money issue. Many won't because of the dirtiness of politics. Then you have the media who largely ignores third party candidates.

How does an independent overcome the obstacles? How do we inspire or help independents to run?

I personally dont believe the Republicans have lightening chance in 2010. Its mostly media hype, in part by conservatives themselves, to push confidence and to create more drama in DC. There are just as many Republicans republicans retiring in 2010 as of the Dems, and in addition to that Republicans have to defend 41 seats to the Democrats 59.

You may have a point here. But the trends from the recent elections since 08 has favored the reps. On the other hand, I personally feel the Rep party is still divided and do not have a true vision of what their party represents.

I don't believe they are happy with Richard Steele. Palin and Rush are still the face of the party. They are quite mute as far as the goals they want to achieve. About the only thing they are vocal on is Obama.

You tell me what significant bills the Democrats managed to pass easily?

Almost forgot this one.

They have passed nothing easily. Well, maybe the stimulus. Anyway, they had the power to pass anything they wanted easily. The only thing that held them back is their own party. This is where I tell you they did Obama an injustice. They could have cooperated with reps and passed healthcare faster. That would have left them time to deal with other issues Obama wanted to tackle.

Instead of focusing on Afghanistan, economy, etc Obama had to keep addressing the healthcare. I agree with you about healthcare. I do think it needs to be addressed.

But if this bill is going to take 4-5 years to go into effect and additional years to iron out the wrinkles, then why spend all year trying to pass it?





[edit on 16-1-2010 by jam321]

Originally posted by tooo many pills
Now we are going to throw all of our hope with the Republicans?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! That is not the answer!

This is our problem we only have 2 choices and they are identical!

Don't vote either side in, neither will make due on their promises or truly care about the common person.

All they do is divide us, PEOPLE OF AMERICA I SAY WE TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY, not though RED, not though BLUE, but as one. Not by electing talking heads who work and are financed by the same people. Everyone single one of us that cares should march on Washington knock down the capital doors and rewrite the legislation ourselves. They have no clue or desire to help us.

If you want something done right you have to do it yourself!

[edit on 15-1-2010 by tooo many pills]

We need balance. Rather than supporting Red, Blue, or Neither, we should focus on balancing the playing field.

Of course we are divided. Our system is divided. United we will stand, divided we will fall. Unity will strengthen us. Unity will strengthen our system.

If we still have a people system, then we should do everything in our power to strengthen (Unify) it before it's completely divided.

How else can we have a whole and strong system, than having left AND right. Two halves to make whole. A yin and a yang.

I don't, necessarily, believe that a third party is the answer. We are fine with a TWO party system, when it works the way it should.

Twenty-five Republicans? We should push for twenty-five Democrats. A Democrat President? Perhaps, we should think about going back to the old way: First runner up, which will undoubtedly be the opposite party, gets the VP seat.

If our elected officials were more evenly placed, they'd govern themselves. They'd actually debate bills, on the floor, in the open, on C-SPAN.

See, here's the thing, both parties have good and evil amongst them. A criminal, or con, doesn't discriminate party lines. (S)He'll run with the party that's easiest to infiltrate, at that time.

Checks and balances. Checks and balances. Until we level the playing field and concentrate on an even party distribution and representation, we will remain divided.

If we want to be treated as a whole, as a united-people, then we need to begin treating our government the same. Not one party, or the other; but a dual-party that makes up a whole. Two halves of a whole body. If there is too much dark, we add light; such as, if there are too many Democrats, we add Republicans.

Edit: I thought it ironic that the word "party" is plural, in itself. Perhaps each political 'party' should be referred to as a 'political part' (lose the 'y'), instead.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by SourGrapes]

Originally posted by SourGrapes

We need balance. Rather than supporting Red, Blue, or Neither, we should focus on balancing the playing field.

Of course we are divided. Our system is divided. United we will stand, divided we will fall. Unity will strengthen us. Unity will strengthen our system.

If we still have a people system, then we should do everything in our power to strengthen (Unify) it before it's completely divided.

How else can we have a whole and strong system, than having left AND right. Two halves to make whole. A yin and a yang.

I don't, necessarily, believe that a third party is the answer. We are fine with a TWO party system, when it works the way it should.

Twenty-five Republicans? We should push for twenty-five Democrats. A Democrat President? Perhaps, we should think about going back to the old way: First runner up, which will undoubtedly be the opposite party, gets the VP seat.

If our elected officials were more evenly placed, they'd govern themselves. They'd actually debate bills, on the floor, in the open, on C-SPAN.

See, here's the thing, both parties have good and evil amongst them. A criminal, or con, doesn't discriminate party lines. (S)He'll run with the party that's easiest to infiltrate, at that time.

Checks and balances. Checks and balances. Until we level the playing field and concentrate on an even party distribution and representation, we will remain divided.

If we want to be treated as a whole, as a united-people, then we need to begin treating our government the same. Not one party, or the other; but a dual-party that makes up a whole. Two halves of a whole body. If there is too much dark, we add light; such as, if there are too many Democrats, we add Republicans.

Edit: I thought it ironic that the word "party" is plural, in itself. Perhaps each political 'party' should be referred to as a 'political part' (lose the 'y'), instead.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by SourGrapes]

I agree that is the way it was intended to be and the way it should be.

But nowadays, the two party system does not work the way it should. If there was equal representation in the house and senate nothing would ever get passed.

The elected officials are more divided than We the People. Even if the Democrats wanted to pass something that would be good for Rs and Ds alike the Republicans would block it becuase they wouldn't get credit for passing it. And vice-versa.

I see the Independents as what they are, Independent of the two party system, and thus they are able to think for themselves without the confusion of what side they have to vote for.

Openly on CSPAN? When it's something important I promise you, you will not be able to see the deals being made, or what is actually in the legislation. You will only feel the effects years later.

We can't just add or subtract Rs and Ds becuase states vote differently depending on what they need, not what the nation needs.

Checks and Balances, CHECKS AND BALANCES! When is the last time our government used their ability of checks and balances?

reply to post by Polynomial C


Can you be anymore of a troll?

On topic- Theres nothing that these crooks can do that could make me believe that they are actually looking out for America and not themselves. They are all a bunch of crooks.
They havent showed us otherwise.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

How can you blame the Democrats for failing to achieve their promises when people like you in congress and outside helped to block them from happening?

Man, this again? You make me so tired. Democratic majority in the House and Senate. Who blocked what? If they really wanted to pass something, who was going to stop them? If the Democrat agenda is so wonderful and what the American people need, just do it and accept the consequences. Can't you people learn how to accept responsibility? When are you going to stop blaming everyone else for your own failures and inability to unify your party? (Just thought I'd return the favor by labeling you a shill for the Democratic party)

You know, I didn't post the video seeking a fight. I did so because I thought it would be of interest to other ATSers. The thread wasn't started as a partisan attack, you decided to make it one. But, in a reply to jam321, you repeat my sentiment that we need more Independents. I am very confused.


[edit on 16-1-2010 by WTFover]

Damn, if I didn't know better I would have sworn I saw this video somewhere.

I have already downloaded it re upped it and sent to all my friends, subscribers and all my different sites.

This is going viral, I have seen two different people's YouTube accounts one has 675,000 views the other about 325,000 views.

They were not even the original uploaders. Plus, there are about 2000 uploaders of this video now. No way are they going to stop it from being seen. To bad the MSM doesn't have real shows or news anymore. They could be making a lot of money.

My estimate of viewership on the video is in the neighborhood of 10 million already.

THE SHIP IS SINKING SG and their are no islands in site.

That is what the Dems deserve. Now, I will have to work on the Repub one now.

One head of the two headed snake has destroyed itself, now, we need to kill off the other one.

reply to post by WTFover


Thanks OP. S&F
The video speaks for itself. I would like to know who the original uploader is. Whomever it is, they certainly did a good job. I wish I could use my software as well as the producer of this did. Still have not worked out all the things in CS4.

As for the video, truth speaks louder then any lies.

I was thinking of putting together a video like this one only showing both parties blatant hypocrisy and corruption.

There is enough of that in both parties.

I just wish the Tea partiers, 9/12 project and all the other movements to get back to the Constitutional rule of law, would get their fracking acts together and keep out the muckrakers and kooks.

I know the majority of that is the MSM manipulation of events but jeez, why do these movements not have a security component to their causes, to keep out the Repubs and the provocateurs. It is in the infancy, only 2 years since these movements started.

I have tried to push the good components of their movements here and elsewhere. Anyway, thanks for the invite. God Bless and Peace.

Originally posted by WTFover
Man, this again? You make me so tired. Democratic majority in the House and Senate. Who blocked what?

You claimed the Democrats in part should be kicked out of congress because they didnt keep their promises, which doesnt make sense, as you opposed those promises. The Democrats promised healthcare reform and a public option, people like you rallied against it. The Democrats promised more regulation to the markets, people like you opposed.

Essentially the promises from the Democrats were those you held opposition towards, so it doesnt make sense for you to blame them for not keep these promises if you yourselves and your own candidates rallied against it.

It just sounds like more hypocrisy to me.

If they really wanted to pass something, who was going to stop them?

There were no shortage of conservatives Dems offering their assistance to conservatives like yourselves in opposition to the promises. Incase you didnt notice, even within the Democratic party there is a split.

Can't you people learn how to accept responsibility?

For both the Democrats and Republicans? Yes. Evidently the video was unable to do the same, the video you reference as "a message". Also hows about the american people take responsibility as voters for keeping these guys in office?

You know, I didn't post the video seeking a fight.

Yes you posted this video expecting no criticism or debate on this forum.

The thread wasn't started as a partisan attack,

And yet you posted the video and thread to smear the Democrats and Democrats specifically despite the reality of the responsibility between both parties. So yes, it was started as a partisan attack so why dont you take responsibility for that fact and buckle up.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]

Transcript from this awesome video:

Open letter to Democrat pols Jan. 2010
On November 4, 2008
We gave you power, in the House, in the Senate and in the oval.
We voted for hope, we voted for change.
Balance would be restored.
Our world would be safer, our world would be stronger, our future would be bright.
We trusted you, so we elected you.
WE REGRET IT.
So in 2010...you will lose....BIG.
No more taxes, no more spending, no more SOCIALISM.
We tried to warn you, but you wouldn't listen.
So now you will pay.
Why?
Freedom, your'e a threat to our economy, to our health care, to our individual liberties.
You bet the farm.
Government takeovers, bailouts, liberal policies.
TARP 700 Billion
Federal Stimulus 1.2 Trillion
Federal Reserve Rescue 6.4 Trillion
TAX
SPEND
REDISTRIBUTE
We're broke.
+10% Unemployment and now you want...
our health care?
Backroom deals, payoffs, blatant and shameless...BRIBES.
We've had enough. We're taking our country back.
From radicals, leftists and liberals...
WE'RE COMING AFTER YOU.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Carseller4]

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

And yet you posted the video and thread to smear the Democrats and Democrats specifically despite the reality of the responsibility between both parties. So yes, it was started as a partisan attack so why dont you take responsibility for that fact and buckle up.

Alright, I'm going to try to get you to understand this, one more time, then, if you do not, I will just accept that you do not want to understand and just can't stand to see any criticism of your beloved party.

...It is a strong message to Democrats. Now, whoever produced it needs to, also, send a message to the Republicans, telling them they are out, too.

Do you recognize this statement? It was what I wrote, as a prologue to the video. In 2010 I will not vote for a Republican or Democrat and my wish would be that no one else does, either. I did not, in 2006 nor in 2008.

Originally posted by ColdPoker
Long time forum reader, first time poster. This video while short in time speaks volumes to the masses. YES is it time to kick these crooked scum bags out of office. I am sick of reading about these back room deals and payoffs while the rest of us, the American Public, gets bent over more and more in preparation for the final SURGE ... !!!

ENOUGH ... TAKE AMERICA BACK ... !!!

Vote 3rd party, consider the divide & conquer war parties dead... flood congress with independent thinkers not bound to the DC mafia. Gather signatures for ballot initiatives that ban the GOP & DNC from govt.

Go to jury duty and vote not guilty on any and all stupid non violent laws, and ALL tax law prosecutions...

Sadly a huge number of sheep will continue to mindlessly root for their failure of a party like it was a baseball team, and IMO if the 3rd parties were to gain lots of ground.. the establishment would protect it's power with 911 X 1000.. but a best case scenario, people could restore sanity to the nation in about 10 years.

Free thinkers need to persuade programmed others it's fashionable, hip and revolutionary to reject and eject the GOP & DNC from power.. real change means changing the system for real.. not just shuffling party lackeys like obama & bush who fail upwards.

Above all else, clever war cries / posters are needed, slogans that use the TPTPs brainwashing grip on people minds against them.. and capture peoples imaginations that sincere honest change demands the stale so called leadership of the GOP & DNC is not only ruining the USA, but dozens of nations they meddle in...

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Could not agree more with everything you have said here.

Jury nullification is one of the most important rights in our nation. To add to that if you are charged with anything, be it a traffic ticket or anything else, take it to jury trial.

We have to set aside this stupid Dem this Repub that crap. Independent, Constitutional or whatever party that is not the Dem or Repub.

Get the word out so we can stop the madness.