New Operation Northwoods Theory Twist : Laser Guided Plane, Tower 7, and the WTC Observation Deck

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

The "Official Story" supporters and "Truther Movement" are each only disproving themselves, neither side realizing they are being played against the middle.

In other words, both sides are being played for fools, by the elite.

Back up Buttercup

What?

First off , the OS . IS the Government, Its their story.

2nd, What do you think the Truth Movement should do ?

Sit quiet , so "we are not getting played "

Please Read your own post before hitting REPLY.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by ugie1028
The reason why I think WTC7 was brought down was because of all the investigative reports regarding Enron, that the CIA was based there as well, and various other financial records that would tie a noose around a lot of peoples necks. (plus it was probably all orchestrated there... Planning the inside job.)

Good grief, now Enron is involved in this "secret 9/11 plot". How secret can this secret plot be when everyone from NORAD to the FAA to the CIA to the NYFD to the BBC to Bush to Obama to NATO to even Enron now were active participants in the plot"? Who the heck *isn't* in on the plot? al Qaida?

This isn't research and it certainly isn't reason. This is just connecting dots that weren't ever meant to be connected to form the picture that you yourself want to see.

Okay, I'll bite, just give me a grain of salt with that.

What if the "secret" is just between all of those people connected, behind the scenes?

Meaning, since they were so sloppy, and botched the job, we were never supposed to find out?

So, what exactly is research, to you?

Like reading books?

Like reading up on all involved?

Like cross-referencing materials?

Sure sounds like research if you ask me.

Each and every book I've put within this thread and others are ones I own.

And I have a whole hoard of others I have not even brought into this discussion.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

What do you think of the Operation Northwoods theory about 9/11?

Good grief!!!

Total bollocks, that's what it is.

But, keep on making connections out of thin air, maybe you can sell the movie rights.....

(register with the WGA, though)

And you have offered proof to disprove any of it where exactly?

I do not see it here in this thread.

Movie rights?

Should Robert De Niro play me, or how about Collin Farrell, or possibly Al Pacino?

I did ask a valid question, not just about Operation Northwoods, but with a new twist.

So, prove me wrong, please.

I always freely admit when I'm wrong, if proven so, but I'm only proven wrong if I cannot debunk your debunking, and I am waiting patiently to see your evidence.

Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by ugie1028

 

There are pictures of a high flying plane over New York all day,

Video of a c-130 over the white house,

A c-130 followed the flight path of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

I'm replying to both of your posts here, please be patient.

Do you have the videos from YouTube or Google?

A C-130 following the plane hitting the Pentagon?

I'm intently listening.

Originally posted by Sean48

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

The "Official Story" supporters and "Truther Movement" are each only disproving themselves, neither side realizing they are being played against the middle.

In other words, both sides are being played for fools, by the elite.

Back up Buttercup

What?

First off , the OS . IS the Government, Its their story.

2nd, What do you think the Truth Movement should do ?

Sit quiet , so "we are not getting played "

Please Read your own post before hitting REPLY.

Buttercup.

Nicest things I've even been called, ever.

Yes, I realize the "Official Story" is the Government, but it is as well those who listen only to that version, the people trying to "de-bunk" those they shamelessly call "Truther's", in order to discredit them.

I never said the "Truther Movement" should do anything, I am neither a "O.S." or "TM" follower, I'm right down in the middle ground, sifting through both sides facts, evidence, and allegations.

I did read what I posted, I always do, so as to make what I am stating as clear.

Personally, I think the "Truther Movement" is doing a pretty good job, but they are getting sidelined easily, by those who willfully attack their credibility.

I'm not attacking credibility, at all, I was not attacking to begin with, I was merely stating that both sides are being sidelined, by the power elite.

They know the people are out there who will listen to only them.

They also know there are people out there who will never listen to them.

Divide and Conquer : Political Ideology of the Power Elite, Selling The Peace, War Is The Motive

Both sides, the citizens, in the middle, are being played against each other, by the elite.

The power elite's game, of course, is misdirection.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

A C-130 following the plane hitting the Pentagon?

That is probably a reference to GOFER06.

A Minnesota ANG C-130 that had just departed Andrews AFB, enroute to Minneapolis, and was in a position, as it was departing from Andrews, on a westerly heading while being vectored to its flight-plan route, to observe AA 77 (which had been tagged by ATC with the moniker "LOOK", since it was a primary target and that was a way to pass the tagged target between ATC facilities).

The C-130 was asked by Potomac Departure to visually acquire the target, which they did. They were also asked if they could identify its type, and approximate altitude. The aircraft commander (Lt.Col Steve O'Brien) who has come forward with this account recalls that they (he and the other crew) agreed it was a B-757, looked like an American Airlines paint scheme, and they (if I recall correctly) estimated its altitude at about 5,000 feet.

There is a .wav file of the ATC tapes, I've heard them a few times, but have lost track of the links....so I'm going from memory.

www.minnesotanationalguard.org...


What we've seen from the other poster's comments, in reference to this incident, is a further example of misinformation that is being spread, and the rumour mill keeps grinding out these increasingly outlandish accounts, that are usually embellished along the way, until they become accepted as "factoids", without the least bit of research done to verify their authenticity.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Okay, thanks for providing that information, it is appreciated.

I have never said I know every single facet of the events.

Although I am confident I have sifted through enough information through the many different books I have read, not only relating to 9/11, but to the Intelligence Industry.

I see the entire events of 9/11 as a huge covert intelligence fundraiser.

The attacks of 9/11 were a stalking horse, used like a giant tuning fork, for the Federal Reserve in a scam through the games of Three Card Monte, a Shell Game, like a quick change artist utilizing the seminal events of that fateful day as a covert intelligence action to assert a pressure upon Congress as a means for the Intelligence Industry as a covert intelligence and overt Law Enforcement fundraiser.

Tuning Fork Vibrations


Now, the tuning fork analogy is highly important here because just like there were two towers, there are two tines on a tuning fork, and two versions of the events of 9/11, and two branches of "theory", the "Official Story" verses "Truther Movement", and two people ultimately responsible, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Former Vice-President Dick Cheney being "the angler", another version of what ATS calls a troll, and former President George W. Bush acting as his shill during this high-scale con game on America of essentially one of the crookedest games of craps where we as citizens came up snake eyes in what essentially ended up in Dick Cheney's giant Ponzi Scheme utilizing his knowledge of his previous positions in power as the former (prior to his stint at Halliburton) Secretary of Defense,Congressional Whip, and White House Chief of Staff as the places to collect information on which Senator's and Congress members would support his hair-brained scheming of not only using his knowledge of the lengthy knowledge about Osama bin Laden and family, the Al Saud family, and the covert war called Operation Cyclone to his advantage.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Halliburton : 2000's

In 2001 The Wall Street Journal reported that a subsidiary of Halliburton Energy Services called Halliburton Products and Services Ltd. (HPS) opened an office in Tehran.

The company, HPS, operated on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block.

Although HPS was incorporated in the Cayman Islands in 1975 and is "non-American", it shares both the logo and name of Halliburton Energy Services and, according to Dow Jones Newswires offers services from Halliburton units world-wide through its Tehran office.

Such behavior, undertaken while Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, may have violated the Trading with the Enemy Act.

A Halliburton spokesman, responding to inquiries from Dow Jones, said

"This is not breaking any laws.

This is a foreign subsidiary and no US person is involved in this.

No US person is facilitating any transaction.

We are not performing directly in that country."

Later Dave Lesar would book his own flights to the Teheran office through the UK arm of KBR.

No legal action has been taken against the company or its officials.

Interesting, isn't it, Dick Cheney may have violated the Trading with the Enemy Act, like Prescott Bush was accused, yet neither man served a day in prison.

Sure sounds like the cronyism of Skull and Bones to me.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Trading with the Enemy Act

The Trading with the Enemy Act, sometimes abbreviated as TWEA, is a United States federal law, 12 U.S.C. § 95a, enacted in 1917 to restrict trade with countries hostile to the United States.

The law gives the President the power to oversee or restrict any and all trade between the U.S. and her enemies in times of war.

In 1933 President Franklin D. Roosevelt amended the act to extend the scope to hoarding of gold, which was passed by Congress, and then outlawed gold ownership with Executive Order 6102.

These restrictions continued until January 1, 1975.

The Trading with the Enemy Act is often confused with the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which grants somewhat broader powers to the President and is invoked during states of emergency when not at war.

As of 2008, Cuba is the only country restricted under the act.

North Korea is the most recent country to have the restrictions lifted

Notice these two correlating bits of information here.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Halliburton : 2000's : Cayman Islands

Although HPS was incorporated in the Cayman Islands in 1975 and is "non-American", it shares both the logo and name of Halliburton Energy Services and, according to Dow Jones Newswires offers services from Halliburton units world-wide through its Tehran office.

...and...

Quote from : Wikipedia : Trading with the Enemy Act : Executive Order 6102

In 1933 President Franklin D. Roosevelt amended the act to extend the scope to hoarding of gold, which was passed by Congress, and then outlawed gold ownership with Executive Order 6102.

These restrictions continued until January 1, 1975.

Bush Family Fortune Made "Trading With The Enemy "


Operation Cyclone may be known to some of you through that name, or because of the Hollywood version of it called Charlie Wilson's War, or perhaps the two books where all of this information converges, intertwining all of the corroborating evidence, The Bin Ladens and Ghost Wars.

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Charlie Wilson's War - Trailer(HD) Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts


This is of course where the C.I.A. covertly funded the Mujahideen during the Cold War in Afghanistan to kick the Russian bear's big furry Communist butt out, through the then unknown Texas Congressman Charles Wilson, in order for the Pentagon and C.I.A. to have revenge of a sorts for the events of Vietnam where our nation as well as allies were bled like a gutted pig.

You might notice my use of numbers throughout this information and wonder why and the answer is simple, numerology, credit cards, and following the money trail are a vital factor because of the Bailout was a pre-planned scam on America in tandem with the funding of all of the Law Enforcement agencies directly after 9/11, where not a single person was fired for the allegedly botched intelligence snafu's between the competing arms of the our own separate Three Branches of Government, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

Think about the numbers of the day which changed America forever and you will see the disturbing pattern emerge.

A five-sided Pentagon, four planes hi-jacked, three targets being hit (the Pentagon and WTC 1 and WTC 2), two towers falling, and one empty field, and when they were hit lop-lopsidedly (hitting each building separately, separate timing, plus the field) they resonated into one collaborative event, synthetic terror.

This would be where Stockholm Syndrome comes into play, Government holding its citizens hostage, mentally speaking, through the official lies of the 9/11 Commission, which carries a striking resemblance to the cover-up of the Warren Commission during the controversial events of the alleged patsy Lee Harvey Oswald and J.F.K.

[edit on 12-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


9/11 was a ritual perpetrated by who knows, but the tuning fork analogy was perfect. 2 towers, 3 buildings collapse, 2 sides (truther, and OS'er.) it was a sick ritual that held the American public hostage.

it makes me sick that they are getting away with MASS murder.

The mega ritual


EDIT: Spartan was right, its MASS MURDER

[edit on 1/12/2010 by ugie1028]

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

9/11 was a ritual perpetrated by who knows, but the tuning fork analogy was perfect. 2 towers, 3 buildings collapse, 2 sides (truther, and OS'er.) it was a sick ritual that held the American public hostage.

it makes me sick that they are getting away with murder.

You and me both.

However, I am going to correct one small bit you stated there, it was not murder.

It was mass murder.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Mass Murder

Mass murder (in military contexts, sometimes interchangeable with mass destruction) is the act of murdering a large number of people, typically over a relatively short period of time.

Mass murder may be committed by individuals or organizations.

Mass murder is also defined to be intentional and indiscriminate murder of large number of people by government agents.

Examples are shooting of unarmed protestors, carpet bombing of cities, lobbing of grenades into prison cells and random execution of civilians.

The term may refer to spree killers, who stage a single assault on their victims.

The largest mass killings in history have been attempts to exterminate entire groups or communities of people, often on the basis of ethnicity or religion.

Some of these mass murders have been found to be genocides and others to be crimes against humanity, but often such crimes have led to few or no convictions of any type.

No matter which particular version anyone supports, it was mass murder.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Mass Murder : Terrorism

# June 23, 1985: Air India Flight 182 bombing over the Atlantic Ocean - 329 killed

# December 21, 1988: Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Scotland - 270 killed

# March 12, 1993: Bombay bombings - 257 killed

# April 19, 1995: Oklahoma City bombing in the United States - 168 killed

# August 7, 1998: U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania - 224 killed

# September 11, 2001: September 11 attacks in the United States - 2,998 killed

# October 12, 2002: Bali bombing in Indonesia - 202 killed

# March 2, 2004: Ashura massacre in Iraq - 170 killed

# March 11, 2004: Madrid train bombings in Spain - 191 killed

# September 4, 2004: Beslan school hostage crisis in Russia - 344 killed

# February 28, 2005: Al Hillah bombing in Iraq - 127 killed

# July 11, 2006: Mumbai train bombings in India - 207 killed

# March 27, 2007: Tal Afar bombings and massacre in Iraq - 152 killed

# August 14, 2007: Yazidi communities bombings in Iraq - 796 killed

# November 26-28, 2008 - 2008 Mumbai attacks in India - 185 killed

It makes me sick to my stomach that anyone would do that, period.

Only a sociopath, or a group of sociopath's can compete with those numbers.

[edit on 12-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Okay, I'll bite, just give me a grain of salt with that.

What if the "secret" is just between all of those people connected, behind the scenes?

So what are you saying, that Bush personally went into the WTC and planted those bombs? That Rumsfeld personally went out onto the Pentagon Lawn and planted all those little bits of wreckage? That the NY fire chief personally went into WTC7 and sabotaged it? That the Canadian guy in charge of NORAD on 9/11 (forgot his name) personally told the fighter pilots to fly in circles out over the ocean? Why would Silverstein and that BBC reporter who prereported the collapse of WTC7 give a flip about protecting Enron, anyway?

Unless you're claiming that Obama personally operated a bulldozer and dug up that fake crash site in Shanksville, you're going to have to concede that they all needed an infrastructure of support personnel. You're not talking two or three people, you're talking about thousands and thousands of people. The intelligence agencies of NATO who corroborated the intelligence we gave them to invoke article 5 would be a couple hundred right there.

Yeah, it's one thing to be coming up with these play-pretend theories, but it's another thing entirely to try to bring them into the real world and make them work. For one thing, those demolition specialists would have to be thoroughly as stupid as a bag of hammers to not understand that their sneaking in and planting controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a hell of a lot of people killed, regardless of whether they knew it was part of a false flag operation or not.

Each and every book I've put within this thread and others are ones I own.

And I have a whole hoard of others I have not even brought into this discussion.

Interesting. Did you actually read the 9/11 commission report then?

[edit on 12-1-2010 by GoodOlDave]

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
So what are you saying, that Bush personally went into the WTC and planted those bombs?

Wait, who the Hell said anything, about Bush and bombs?

I know I sure did not.

I'm not even sure Bush knows where the New York is, let alone how to make a bomb.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
That Rumsfeld personally went out onto the Pentagon Lawn and planted all those little bits of wreckage?

No one ever said anything along those lines.

Nice try at deflection through mis-stating and or putting words in my mouth.

Keep trying, someday you might actually quote some more than those few sentences.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
That the NY fire chief personally went into WTC7 and sabotaged it?

Again, where have I stated ever, that Tower 7 was sabotaged?

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
That the Canadian guy in charge of NORAD on 9/11 (forgot his name) personally told the fighter pilots to fly in circles out over the ocean?

No, Dick Cheney did that, after the procedures were re-written, six month prior to 9/11, the usual procedure of jets being scrambled, immediately, was changed by Rumsfeld.

Cheney was in the bunker under the White House, called the White House Situation Room.

Quote from : Wikipedia : White House Situation Room

The White House Situation Room is a 5,000-square-foot conference room and intelligence management center in the basement of the West Wing of the White House.

It is run by the National Security Council staff for the use of the President of the United States and his advisers (including Homeland Security and the White House Chief of Staff) to monitor and deal with crises at home and abroad and to conduct secure communications with outside (often overseas) persons.

The Situation Room is equipped with secure, advanced communications equipment for the President to maintain command and control of U.S. forces around the world.

White House The Situation Room

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Why would Silverstein and that BBC reporter who prereported the collapse of WTC7 give a flip about protecting Enron, anyway?

Who knows, really, what the financial predators on Capitol Hill do?

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Unless you're claiming that Obama personally operated a bulldozer and dug up that fake crash site in Shanksville, you're going to have to concede that they all needed an infrastructure of support personnel.

Where has anyone on this thread, myself included, ever stated anything about Obama in connection to 9/11 of Shanksville?

I never stated the site at Shanksville was faked?

I did state however that there was an empty field hit, as in no buildings there.

You know, Shanksville field, hit, prior to a building being hit by that plane.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
You're not talking two or three people, you're talking about thousands and thousands of people.

No, actually maybe only a few hundred people, behind the scenes, needed to know anything in regards to the policies, procedures, and protocols of how those within the entire structure of Government were trained to react.

In other words, a verbally communicated agreement, no papertrail.

Less than fifty really needed to know certain information.

Even then, everything was compartmentalized, but Dick Cheney would know the policies, procedures, and protocols of how the entire Defense Department, and the place where he worked as Chief of Staff, the White House were trained to react.

The rest of the knowledge was tied to Congress, and what type of influence it would take to rattle the money tree, to get Congressional funding for war.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
The intelligence agencies of NATO who corroborated the intelligence we gave them to invoke article 5 would be a couple hundred right there.

N.A.T.O. has been a joke for decades.

Cheney is so corrupt he knows how to end-run around N.A.T.O. any day of the week.

You know what the Project for the New American Century was, correct?

That's a policy think-tank, which has the organizational knowledge, through its membership, to advise on how to make mince-meat out of organizations like N.A.T.O. and the United Nations.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by conservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

The list of who was involved in that policy think-tank is literally a who's who of the people who would stand to profit from 9/11 and the Iraq War, and Afghanistan.

The only name I am highly surprised to not see, is Blackwater/Xe's Erik Prince.

Which could mean a few things, actually, he was not involved, he was only consulted via telephone, or they never documented his presence as a functionary.

I am of course making an educated guess, and usually I'm dead on.

Cheney, former Vice-President Quayle, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, "Scooter" Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, Steve Forbes, Paul Wolfowitz are just a few of the power men of Washington D.C. on the list from P.N.A.C.

I understand policy, procedure, protocol, speak, hear, and can write legalese, have written my own policy for several corporations I am currently working towards pulling together as a non-profit, a think-tank, and which will become an international conglomerate, so I could easily break down the entirety of every single detail of P.N.A.C.'s " Statement of Principles" into plain English for anyone to easily understand.

Basically, it says how can they make more money flow out of a future event.

I am minutely paraphrasing, of course, and as well quickly running out of characters in which to post all of what I've said so far in this post back to you.

Would you like me to lay out their entire " Statement of Principles" like a lover laying out an easily solved enigma?

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Yeah, it's one thing to be coming up with these play-pretend theories, but it's another thing entirely to try to bring them into the real world and make them work.

Play pretend, really?

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
For one thing, those demolition specialists would have to be thoroughly as stupid as a bag of hammers to not understand that their sneaking in and planting controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a hell of a lot of people killed, regardless of whether they knew it was part of a false flag operation or not.

You keep mentioning explosives, and I have yet to have mentioned them, except in answer to this post, so far.

You have done nothing but side-step, everything my entire thread is about.

Mis-direction, mis-information, dis-information, what exactly are you putting out in your post here because I have not stated anything in regards to any of the things you're even asking about, so either you've clumped together every single of the other 9/11 threads on ATS, or you have not even bothered to read anything I've written so far.

So, which is it, please?

Because I'm not defending myself against commentary which I've never even stated within this thread because that would be ignorant of me to try to do, since it I never said anyhting of the sort to begin with.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Interesting. Did you actually read the 9/11 commission report then?

[edit on 12-1-2010 by GoodOlDave]

Yes, and I love fiction, it is something that makes me smile.

Come one now, try asking me questions about the things I'm actually speaking about, or otherwise you're wasting both of our times on this thread.

A five-sided building got hit, four planes were hi-jacked, three actually hit strategic targets, two towers (skyscrapers) fell, and one empty field was slammed into.

The notorious flight that was allegedly on the way to the White House.

I say allegedly, not because I do not believe it never happened, but because the official guesstimate was that their best expert opinion was that it was the most likely target.

In other words, they thought it was headed there, not that it actually was going there.

Educated guessing, while accurate the majority of the time, cannot always be proven.

And as well those can be formulated easily as politically motivated sound-bytes.

You know, crank up the drama of the moment, to get sympathy.

The Hegelian Dialectic teaches that, quite easily, thesis, antithes, synthesis.

Or, immediate, mediated, concrete.

What about abstract, negative, concrete?

"Terror" is not even defined as the same exact thing between every single country of the world, which means easily that confusion can not only happen within all of the different countries reacting to "terrorism" events, but that those people who know that, like Cheney, Blair, or even Ahmadinejad can quite easily utilize that to cause further chaos, confusion, and cultural difficulties between all of the citizens of the different nations they are governing over.

In other words, they are all speaking different languages, different meanings throughout those languages, and the content, context, and intent of those actions and the definitions of those actions through gathered intelligence information prior to the event, as the events are happening, and or after they have happened.


[edit on 13-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

great thread leo‚s&f for you ! Alright‚gettin into north woods I have always believed that it was never taken off the table . What happened that day was the cabal that has been running things used it.Bush was and is a puppet he had no clue about anything .The guys from PANC ran the show at the WH but Dick Cheny saw the big picture and made sure everything went according to plan.


PS: I see you have already ruffled some of the debunkers feathers!

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Okay, thanks for providing that information, it is appreciated.

I have never said I know every single facet of the events.

For someone who acknowledges they don't know every single facet of what went on, you sure do create long verbose posts and seem to be pretty sure of what happened.

Funny how that works - not knowing every thing but knowing exactly what happened. That seems to be a Truther trusism - I don't know everything but I do know everything!

Originally posted by mike dangerously
great thread leo‚s&f for you !

Alright‚gettin into north woods I have always believed that it was never taken off the table . What happened that day was the cabal that has been running things used it.Bush was and is a puppet he had no clue about anything .The guys from PANC ran the show at the WH but Dick Cheny saw the big picture and made sure everything went according to plan.


PS: I see you have already ruffled some of the debunkers feathers!

Thanks mike dangerously!

I believe Operation Northwoods was originally scrapped by J.F.K. because he did not believe in something he saw as hair-brained, so he told the C.I.A. no, this being the same organization that wanted to send poison cigars to Castro and put explosive conch shells on certain beaches of Cuba where they knew he liked to walk and pick up conch shells and they felt betrayed when the Bay of Pigs massacre happened.

That being said it is as well also my belief that while the plan was turned down, no one ever forgot about it, sort of like someone remembering a really good sales pitch who knows their manager (J.F.K. analogy) will not be around for long due to the high maintenance attitude of the customers (U.S. citizens) and the volatility of the business (politics).

That being said, anyone could have saved the original Operation Northwoods information, Hell I have known personally about that particular operation for the past twenty years, and only dusted it off, when the right person came along with the vision to carry it off (Cheney) with some minor tweaking.

But then again I read a lot and on a lot of various topics about Government conspiracies, cover-ups, and crimes, because I have been a conspiracy theorist all of my life.

It is not some passing fancy for me, like two years, or just because of one individual within politics, it is because of Government in particular, because my parents taught me it was vitally important to know everything about Government because of the nature of Government.

As well my entire family past, present, and future is a part of the military, Government, or independentally connected to it, I am the only member not currently connected to it, which is where my future comment comes from because I was speaking of myself in a future context.

Each and every book I write on here about, unless otherwise specified, I own.

You have to thoroughly know an organization like Government, before becoming a part of it, whether through official channels, as in running for office, working for it as a lower-end bureaucrat, or some combination in between.

Yes, Cheney is a big picture person, you have to be to gain the offices he did.

I am a small picture and big picture person, I focus on the whole picture, and the focus on the smaller picture when it comes to certain key things.

De-bunkers?

What de-bunkers?

I believe what you see as de-bunkers are to me those people that are either small picture thinkers, or big picture thinkers who only believe they are seeing the entire picture when they only have a 1/3 of the puzzle pieces.

Yes, that could come off as arrogant, but that's not my intent.

See, when I was thirteen, a fourty-five year old man and myself were having a conversation, and he told me I was as cynical as a thirty year old man, and needed to lighten up about my perspective about life in general, but about Government specifically because I had just explained to him the entire details surrounding the conspiracy theory version of the evens at Dealey Plaza and the J.F.K. assassination and the patsy scenario about Lee Harvey Oswald.

I basically had de-bunked, in entirety, his standing on the "official story".

At age thirteen, no less.

This was a work acquaintance of my stepfather.

My stepfather was a Vietnam Marine.

I used to see myself as a "conspiracy theorist", a long time ago.

Now?

I see myself as a future politician.

I have met one of the third most powerful current Democratic politician's, I rub shoulders with leaders of my community, and have my eyes on being up on Capitol Hill someday and on the White House.

Whenever I get asked by a Congressional committee, and I will, about my "conspiracy theory" days speny on ATS and elsewhere online, and they ask me whether I see that as a conflict of interest in running for whatever office my answer will be the same then as it is now.

My days spent uncovering "conspiracy theories" were merely a warm up, and through my experience throughout the corporate and political world, in tandem with office politics, and my knowledge of policy, procedure, and protocol were just my way of getting completely prepared for coming to Washington D.C. and dealing with the backstabbing nature, underhanded and ruthlessly conniving, and political muckraking of dealing with the bastard jackals in World Politics, which got me prepared for any and all subsequent meetings, including this one.

When the murmurs of belligerant outrage and laughter subsequently die off within the closed session, and one Committee member asks me if I just called him or anyone of them backstabbing, underhanded and ruthlessly conniving, or politically muckraking my answer as well will be simple.

No sir, I do not believe any of you are backstabbing, underhanded and ruthlessly conniving, or politicallly muckraking, but I find it interesting that you at first considered asking me that which leads me to wonder whether you or anyone else here considers themselves as just that, because I sure do not consider that of you but the nature of politics in general.

I am already laughing at what I see as stirring up the political minefields.

I have already been through quite a few and I imagine I will be through quite a few more within my lifetime both before I get into politics and as well, after.

[edit on 13-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by trebor451

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Okay, thanks for providing that information, it is appreciated.

I have never said I know every single facet of the events.

For someone who acknowledges they don't know every single facet of what went on, you sure do create long verbose posts and seem to be pretty sure of what happened.

Funny how that works - not knowing every thing but knowing exactly what happened. That seems to be a Truther trusism - I don't know everything but I do know everything!

So, what you're stating is you do not understand my posting style?

I do not know everything about everything, like I stated.

However, based upon people's posts, comments within them, information that they comment on, it does a few things for me.

1) Reminds me of something, and I post accordingly.

2) I go look it up and post a link to provide information for the other poster and myself.

3) I go pick up a book I have sitting here at the location I am posting from and reference the book, or information within the book, or even previous threads I have done about the topic that is commented on.

4) I ask questions of other ATS members within the thread via U2U.

5) I access my memory of the topic from prior knowledge which I knowingly left out, to leave room for people like yourself to post in asking/stating things like you did here in which I am answering.

In other words, I use the pink and gray brain matter, between my ears.

As I stated to mike dangerously, I do not see the "Official Story" and "Truther Movement", albeit those are what they are called, and I reference them within some of my posts, I instead see it as a big picture and small picture mentality, based upon knowledge, experience, and varying sources of intelligence gathering principles I know inside and out.

Verbose enough for you?

...oh and one more...

6) Most of the time I supply plenty of information for me to fall back upon to answer someone's posting on ATS.

No "Truthism" here, only an experienced poster on many worldwide message board.

I am working on a thread about rocking your threads/posts and I will be sure and invite you first, trebor451.

Meanwhile, enjoy this one I did in the Freshmen's Forum area.

Making High-Quality Threads : Ask and I'll Point You In The Right Direction

I gave you a star for at least trying to rattle my cage, even though it was unsuccessful.

[edit on 13-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


SKL, I really think you should seriously re-examine this part of you OP:

...the theories behind the scenes, and remote controlled vehicles.

I suggest an in depth study into just how difficult it would be to fully retrofit (even IF it's possible at all) two stock Boeing 767s to enable any sort of remote control ability with them.

That's point one. Because, unless you're willing to willfully ignore ALL of the overwhelming evidence of the two Boeings involved in the WTC attacks, and attempt to substitute them for some imagined Predator-type unmanned, remote drone or anything like that, you have a long hill to climb to produce anything convincing along those lines.

Point two, as regards RC...you have the truth movement claims that it was "impossible" for pilots IN the airplanes to aim at the Towers (discredited, but still it's there), and it's even HARDER to do it by RC...even IF you imagine a "laser guidance" something....but that's a stretch anyways.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
is it not odd that JFK scrapped northwoods and sent Lemnitzer to nato he was killed just a year later.The Military/Industrial complex has been effectively in control of the country ever since.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

SKL, I really think you should seriously re-examine this part of you OP:

...the theories behind the scenes, and remote controlled vehicles.

Oh, I understand it might be a bit out there, but there's much more to it all.

What if someone could prove the feasibility of someone pulling off Operation Northwoods?

Maybe I will do a thread in re-creating the entire scenario, I know all of the places for the information.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
I suggest an in depth study into just how difficult it would be to fully retrofit (even IF it's possible at all) two stock Boeing 767s to enable any sort of remote control ability with them.

That's not difficult, at all, neither the study, nor the process.

The most difficult aspect would be finding the money to do it.

Which, when dealing with the power elite, nothing is impossible, in regards to money.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
That's point one. Because, unless you're willing to willfully ignore ALL of the overwhelming evidence of the two Boeings involved in the WTC attacks, and attempt to substitute them for some imagined Predator-type unmanned, remote drone or anything like that, you have a long hill to climb to produce anything convincing along those lines.

Well, I never said the MQ-1 Predator was an option that hit the buildings.

I did however state they could have flown the MQ-1 Predator with a laser-guidance system, the laser itself attached to the nose of the drone, to "paint the target", or even potentially for a visual confirmation of the planes hitting the building through a camera system.

You did read what I said thoroughly, correct?

I did not go into the specific details as I did just now, but I know for a fact I never stated any of those MQ-1 Predator's ever hit the WTC Towers, or the Pentagon.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Point two, as regards RC...you have the truth movement claims that it was "impossible" for pilots IN the airplanes to aim at the Towers (discredited, but still it's there), and it's even HARDER to do it by RC...even IF you imagine a "laser guidance" something....but that's a stretch anyways.

I have never stated it was possible to aim airplanes (jets, not planes) into a building, I know fully well, that that is possible, easily.

There's so much more I can go into on this thread.

[edit on 13-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by mike dangerously
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

is it not odd that JFK scrapped northwoods and sent Lemnitzer to nato he was killed just a year later.The Military/Industrial complex has been effectively in control of the country ever since.

Yes, mike dangerously, it is odd, is it not?

The entire formula for the J.F.K. assassination is something you could use to re-create the 9/11 event.

The formula is the Hegelian Dialectic, abstract, negative, concrete.

Terrorism, is an abstract idea, not fully defined between every single country in the world, the negative of it is that it might happen, and the concrete is the event happening, whether it is real, or synthetic.

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The Architects of the New World Order have been around for 100's a years. They are the world bankers. If anything, these are the ONLY guys who could pull this off. they own almost everything.

If you had the power to print money which is backed by nothing, and ran the press non stop 24/7, what could you buy?

EVERYTHING! Need i say more?

Usurping all the wealth in the world, so the NWO can have control over everything.

Originally posted by ugie1028
The Architects of the New World Order have been around for 100's a years. They are the world bankers. If anything, these are the ONLY guys who could pull this off. they own almost everything.

Exactly, the power elite, have money up the wazoo, not only that, but within Government, there are covert slush funds, hidden away from the American populace.

Originally posted by ugie1028
If you had the power to print money which is backed by nothing, and ran the press non stop 24/7, what could you buy?

EVERYTHING! Need i say more?

Usurping all the wealth in the world, so the NWO can have control over everything.

You could literally but the world, over, and over.