Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

reply to post by Kailassa


My grandparrents fought against and hide jews.. Thats why I am so against same thing happening again which people aren't willing to see ..
I see those terrorist not as resistance but as enemy soldiers fighting for the radicle facist ideology called Islam .. The Netherlands is over run and rights are currently being given away to please Islam.. We have Jewish Christian and humanist background and culture in the Netherlands and MP's in the Netherlands want the Islam too get roots and help it settle because we could get better from it ( oil states are mostly Islam nations )
Its just like the best known traitor of the Netherlands said before WW2 he said we have to get National socialism here we need the facist Nazi germans here and help them as much because we will gain from that..

I fight against it currently by letting my voice heared but I know the time comes a civil war will break out its not a matter of IF but When and I can tell you not the date but I can tell you the time is the same time Iran is getting bombed by Israel or other nations because of its Nuclear facility's ..

I don't want a new germany or new world order because the New Germany will not be the one people imagion the New world order will be a radical relgious facist state lead by ayatolas imams and the koran and I am not saying this for shock and aw .. but I see the same thing happening again within the political structures here in Europe only the enemy is different..
I don't reconaise Islam as a faith I place it under the number as a sect just like the one in Waco I see islam as political system using religious submission and terror for reign and destructing.

I love people don't matter what color or place of birth I don't even mind if your from another planet..
don't get me wrong but I hate systems like facism and religions for they are wrong have been wrong and are responsible for mass crimes..
If I want a system I rather life in a world like in the Star Trek universe where everybody is equal money isnt around and religion has no real big infuence as today , even there they believe but that system they use there is better then we do today..
The ways of today leads to problems we are in..

If you want to get terrorist away just stop using oil from middle east invest in space and get our resources from there we have to build materials which can stop neutrino's with out using energy and use those materials to guide neutrino's towards one point and use neutrino in a stream throug a turbine made of this material.. creating energy used for everything and create hydrogene economy.

Sorry but I wanted it of my chest because I there is a big difference between WW2 resistance fighers and muslim terrorist , comparing them is evil ..
WW2 resistance fighters didn't kill like terrorist .. the WW2 resistance didn't kill innocent people only traitors and they mostly left the women and children alive .. they didn't kill hundreds / thousands in one strike..
they were better in all ways they fought for freedom
muslim terrorist fight for the opposite , there way is killing children , little girls , women , and not in a human way but they cut them up and hang them out in the sun..
That isn't the way of the Dutch resistance fighers of WW2

www.blip.tv...
"we have to start profiling according to Islamic ideology"

Yeah, well there's not much time to train those TSAs.

Originally posted by Venetian
Has the topic of Manchurian candidate came up regarding this guy? According to BBC World News, university staff and colleagues regard the suspect as "quiet, obedient" and a "perfect example of a good student" and so forth. Also, Nigeria claims "We do not think that there is any organised Islamic group in Nigeria that is inclined to such a criminal and violent act. We condemn such an extreme viewpoint and action."

I haven't read the previous 30 pages of posts, so apologies if this has been discussed already.

There are plenty of volunteers who sign up for the Islamic cause. Thousands in camps.
BBC has always been apologists.
The State Department looks like a bunch of idiots:
www.cbsnews.com...




[edit on 28-12-2009 by JJay55]

Two al Qaeda Leaders Behind Northwest Flight 253 Terror Plot Were Released by U.S.

abcnews.go.com...

Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, according to American officials and Department of Defense documents. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the Northwest bombing in a Monday statement that vowed more attacks on Americans.Airport in Romulus, Michigan December 27, 2009.
(Reuters/U.S. Marshal's Service)

American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an "art therapy rehabilitation program" and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials.

Guantanamo prisoner #333, Muhamad Attik al-Harbi, and prisoner #372, Said Ali Shari, were sent to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 9, 2007, according to the Defense Department log of detainees who were released from American custody. Al-Harbi has since changed his name to Muhamad al-Awfi.

Both of the former Guantanamo detainees are described as military commanders and appear on a January, 2009 video along with the man described as the top leader of al Qaeda in Yemen, Abu Basir Naser al-Wahishi, formerly Osama bin Laden's personal secretary.

In its Monday statement claiming responsibility for the Northwest bombing, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula called bombing suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab a "hero" and a "martyr" and lauded him for beating U.S. intelligence.

The two-page written claim included a photo of Abdulmutallab and boasted of Al Qaeda's success in designing "advanced explosive packages" that can pass through airport screening undetected.

The statement also asks for attacks upon Americans in the Arabian peninsula, and promises further attacks on the American people.

[edit on 063131p://bMonday2009 by Stormdancer777]

Oh!!!! Remember when I mentioned that there was a plot to fly a plane into Gitmo to martyr the remaining prisoners there?
I wonder if that was the plan for this one since they moved Kalid Sheik and some others to a prison in.... Michigan????? This would also have been an opportunity for a prison break. Someone better keep an eye on those guys.

Standish prison, 100 miles north of Detroit. hmmmmmm.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by JJay55]

reply to post by JJay55


How would blowing up a plane on an approach to Detroit affect a prison 100 miles away?

Is the prison on the approach path?

One news report I heard today said that the device on some planes that tells passengers how far they are away from their destination had been disabled, so there may be some validity to your theory, but still that would seem to be a very long shot.

Certainly, blowing up a full airliner on an approach to a large city would produce very many casualties, but affecting a given facility would require much better tracking than a passenger could effect, it seems to me.

[edit on 2009/12/28 by GradyPhilpott]

Wake up and smell the Bush everyone!

Since Obama has failed to raise his popularity with his destructive domestic agendas, a perfect solution would be to have Al Qaeda threats raised to a Bush era level, providing a great opportunity for our president to have a big bad boogieman to go after and perhaps boost his approval ratings. Time to flex your military muscles Mr. President.

Remember you must first have a series of failed attacks, then some real attacks... You already have one, and you need to plant more fear in the minds of Americans and Europeans through clever leaks to the Media, perhaps the threat of suitcase nukes would be a good plan (Bush already used the WMD thing) (don't go there!). The CIA and other covert agencies can make these things happen for you. Then of course you are going to need a new target for your military operations, Yemen would be a good warm up to Iran... Make damned sure you have powerful special interests set up to profit from these staged events. And by all means use every opportunity to use the media to sell it all yourself to everyone!

If you are successful in this plan, you will divert attention away from your highly unpopular domestic agendas and have Americans and the world focused more on wars and international affairs... Then by the time the American people wake up to what has actually happened you will already have won your reelection in 2012!

Good luck.


[edit on 28-12-2009 by Walkswithfish]

Originally posted by Walkswithfish

If you are successful in this plan, you will divert attention away from your highly unpopular domestic agendas and have Americans and the world focused more on wars and international affairs... Then by the time the American people wake up to what has actually happened you will already have won your reelection in 2012!

If you're serious, you're dreaming.

Because of Obama's lackadaisical approach to the war on terror and his AG's approach to Gitmo and the detainees, terror attacks are going to do nothing to improve his image or his approval ratings.

Anything he does now is going to look like the arsenist who puts out his own fire for the glory.

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Friend, you obviously don't understand Hegelian dialectic, so I suggest you use the sites search engine.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by EMPIRE]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by JJay55

 

How would blowing up a plane on an approach to Detroit affect a prison 100 miles away?

Is the prison on the approach path?

One news report I heard today said that the device on some planes that tells passengers how far they are away from their destination had been disabled, so there may be some validity to your theory, but still that would seem to be a very long shot.

Certainly, blowing up a full airliner on an approach to a large city would produce very many casualties, but affecting a given facility would require much better tracking than a passenger could effect, it seems to me.

[edit on 2009/12/28 by GradyPhilpott]

But pulling First Responders from the area to make a call on a plane crash would leave the prison with minimum security allowing for a prison break.
There has been alot of prison breaks and we let 2 of the guys who plotted this operation out of Gitmo too.
But there are also reports that there are current hits going on in Yemen tonight. So the party is starting. AQ is still ahead because they reside in... Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Nigeria, Saudi, and a bunch of other places all scattered out and poised.
Meanwhile the escapees from prisons who return to the job of trying to kill us is an amazing number.

edit: yes, Flight Tracker shows planes going right over the prison area, especially approaching from the north Amsterdam. About 45 minutes before landing would have worked for the kid.

abclocal.go.com.../local&id=7172631
"Some politicians had argued that Gitmo detainees would bring federal jobs to the cash-strapped area. Critics worried the high-profile inmates would make Standish a target for terrorists."


[edit on 28-12-2009 by JJay55]

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Did you hear his Nobel Prize acceptance speech?

It was very pro war.

They are already backing off of the Guantanamo closure, especially in regard to Yemeni detainees. Check the current developments yourself.

The times they are a changing.

Changing back!

Don't underestimate this President and his ability to do anything to divert attention away from his domestic agendas.

If one failed attack can gain this much attention, imagine what will happen when a successful attack happens and Al Qaeda conveniently claims responsibility... Or even better, if a terrorist plot and attack can be linked to Iran and Al Qaeda... whoa, a double whammy!

Yeah, something stinks alright, and it ain't the winds of change.







[edit on 28-12-2009 by Walkswithfish]

If you want my opinion, it seems more likely to me that the domestic agenda is a diversion from the real issue of our time: the war on terror.

Terror attempts like this throw a monkey wrench into Obama's plan to scale back the war on terror.

The problem that he is facing is like like the proverbial 500 lb. gorilla in the room.

Sooner or later, reality will strike hard and he'll have to do something besides twiddling his thumbs and jacking his jaws.

[edit on 2009/12/28 by GradyPhilpott]

But how could they possibly top the 2001 September 11 attacks?

They will need a BIG ONE!

And an enemy nation that harbors and/or supports terrorists for a major retaliation.

Of course in the wake of a major Al Qaeda terrorist attack (whatever it is) the Americans will once again set aside partisan differences and rally together patriotically for whatever action the President deems necessary.

Flags will fly everywhere as Americans and the world morn the dead, and rage and anger for a new enemy builds, millions will prepare for war!

It will be a great time to be President and to lead a coalition of nations into battle once again.

Not if but.... When

Just a matter of time now.

If you are living in U.S. city considered a prime target for a large scale act of international terrorism... NOW would be a good time to think about a long vacation or perhaps relocation. Consider yourselves warned.

Perhaps you are wondering what point I am trying to make here, or maybe you think I am just another crazy conspiracy nutcase, or maybe just fear mongering... Or whatever! really it doesn't matter to me what you think as long as you attempt to answer one question...

What if I'm right?





Take the vacation, or get transferred if you can!

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
What if I'm right?

What if you and others who continually trivialize the terrorist threat are wrong?

reply to post by Night Watchman


In that case, I would be right either way.

Think on that a while.

Detroit terror attack: Yemen is the true home of Al-Qaeda
www.telegraph.co.uk...

so if al-qaeda is in yemen, then there is no reason to be in afghanistan...

reply to post by TheCoffinman


Do you have a simplistic answer to everything?

Have you ever had to solve complex problems?

Do you think that al Qaeda is just going to move and leave a forwarding address and that's it?

Could you just once express yourself in complete thoughts with a thesis, an elaboration and a conclusion?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by TheCoffinman

 

Do you have a simplistic answer to everything?

Have you ever had to solve complex problems?

Do you think that al Qaeda is just going to move and leave a forwarding address and that's it?

Could you just once express yourself in complete thoughts with a thesis, an elaboration and a conclusion?

Know where you're coming from and am of the same mind.

But we're on a conspiracy site. And you don't want to check out the demographics listed elsewhere. You might be responding to messages sent by a 10 year old.

The ability to type is all that's required around here.

Oh joy... so when I fly with my young north american cultured Indian or native friends they get 'randomly searched' for 20 mins while have to get drunk at the bar, with my lighter and nail clippers confiscated, yet a blacklisted al-Qaeda agent is allowed to fly with fire crackers.

Theres my tax dollars at work!