The Dangers Of Cooked Food Can No Longer Be Ignored

Using lemon or lime juice, citric acid in general, can be used to 'cook' food by dousing raw meat with it. So I've heard at least; I'm vegan.

I do love some raw fruits & veggies, but I am a meat eater, and that just isn't going to change. Besides I don't see where your claims are completely valid. Mankind is living longer and longer. Your claim that the first beings lived hundreds of years is based I assume on the bible, and is complete nonsense.

Historical Life Expectancy

The only thing i will agree with is that cooking pulls out some nutrients but thats about it....

This is an interesting post & wanted to thank the OP for bringing it up


Many people consider cooked food to be "dead" food, & raw food to be "live or living" food, & there is a particular group of people out there that refuse to eat anything but Raw Food. It is becoming quite popular, & there are also books out there about eating "raw" only.

Its my personal opinion that provided you eat a healthy, well balanced diet, then your body will not suffer. Its when we eat too much of the "wrong" thing or too much of one thing & ot enough of the other ( an unbalanced diet ) that things in the body go haywire.

Eating raw foods could not do too much harm, provided you take care with the things that just cannot be eaten raw, & you could do alot worse than to follow this sort of food plan.....eg:- eating pizza for dinner every night, or a 30 day KFC diet, for example!


As always, research is a must. You shouldn't just plunge head first into an eating plan without some solid & sound research, lest you cause a problem for your body.

Originally posted by Majiq
I do love some raw fruits & veggies, but I am a meat eater, and that just isn't going to change. Besides I don't see where your claims are completely valid. Mankind is living longer and longer. Your claim that the first beings lived hundreds of years is based I assume on the bible, and is complete nonsense.

Historical Life Expectancy

You do realize life expectancy is actually declining? This is more based on Mcdonalds culture then cooking food tho.

Like i said in my original post. Humans aren't born with stoves on there back, every animal has all the necessary required equipment for it to thrive from birth. The act of cooking food is absolutely moronic

Originally posted by Rawhemp

Originally posted by Majiq
I do love some raw fruits & veggies, but I am a meat eater, and that just isn't going to change. Besides I don't see where your claims are completely valid. Mankind is living longer and longer. Your claim that the first beings lived hundreds of years is based I assume on the bible, and is complete nonsense.

Historical Life Expectancy

You do realize life expectancy is actually declining? This is more based on Mcdonalds culture then cooking food tho.

Like i said in my original post. Humans aren't born with stoves on there back, every animal has all the necessary required equipment for it to thrive from birth. The act of cooking food is absolutely moronic

No, I didn't realize that it was declining. I assume that you have a medical study that will show this....

Mankind wasn't born with tools on their backs either, nor clothes, or meds. Do you live naked in a cave relying only on what you can do with your hands? No? then you sir are a hypocrite, the lowest form of person...

BULLOCKS!!!

It is so strange to hear that - considering my Great Grandmother lived to 106 years old and cooked 3 squares every single day! My other grandparents all lived into their 90s and did the same - COOKED 3 squares every single day.

Stating that cooking food will kill you is the same as saying driving will kill you. NO, it won't, but it might. Know what else might kill you? Eating RAW food that can contain solmonella, coliform and thousands of other harmful parasites, bacteria or virus.

Originally posted by Majiq

No, I didn't realize that it was declining. I assume that you have a medical study that will show this....

Mankind wasn't born with tools on their backs either, nor clothes, or meds. Do you live naked in a cave relying only on what you can do with your hands? No? then you sir are a hypocrite, the lowest form of person...

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

www.sciencedaily.com...

I am highly against any meds, pills or artificial substances. Unfortunately i can't run around naked or i would be arrested and tools are not a necessity along with just about every modern technology. I do use some forms of technology, im on a computer duh, but just because i use them it in no way makes me a hypocrite. Computers and most technology don't contribute to health, food does....

Originally posted by Rawhemp
Computers and most technology don't contribute to health, food does....

Hmmm, so cellphone radiation is ok and doesn't affect health? High tension powerlines and the RF that they transmit don't affect health? The murcy, lead and other toxic metals in your computer don't affect health when they leech into the groundwater from the landfills? The sulpherdioxide, mercury and other emissions from power generation don't affect health? Spent uranium for nuclear power generation doesn't affect health? Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is caused by what again? I think you're seriously missing something here...

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Humans had a lifespan of hundreds of years before cooking food? Where did you hear that?

Anyways, it really depends on what type of food your talking about to determine whether it should be cooked or not. Meat, eggs, potatoes, fish, etc. are things that pretty much need to be cooked. Most fruits and vegetables are better for you raw.

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You beat me to the punch on that one.

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Wrong, based on your statement that cooking is moronic because people aren't born with stoves on their back. I would call you a hypocrite if you use anything that doesn't come through the birth canal with you. As far as tools not being a necessity that is just a retarded statement (Actually I take that back, retarded people have more common sense than that) let me see you go without anything that employs tools to be built. That means no clothes, no car, no home, food must be grown without the use of hoes, tillers, etc...

Also your two links do not show a decrease in over-all mortality rates. The first shows a decline or stagnation in the most "worst-off" counties in America. This is due to a lack of medical treatment, and such in those counties. The overall mortality rate has risen however.

Your second link only shows an increased mortality rate among obese Americans. That is a bit of a no-brainer, and has nothing to do with the dangers of cooked food. In conclusion, I think you have a lot to talk about but nothing to say.

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I get we weren't born with tools on our back, but the ability to USE said tools is what separates us from the animals. the ability to not only effectively invent them, but to use them in a proper way. We learned somewhere along the way that a hammer is used to hit nails and bang people in the head with.

We discovered fire. That improved life. We discovered how to build shelter where we saw it was best fit...improved life. we used tools to do all these things...to say we don't need them is absurd.

and to the OP...

I am going to reiterate what others have asked...where is your proof that humans lived for 100's of years? This is the first time I've heard it brought up in a scientific discussion...where is the proof. please. thanks.

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I asked the same thing with no answer. My thought is that his statements about humans living hundreds of years is based on the bible...

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for their sake i home it is not...

but if there is scientific facts proving such a thing, i'd be more then happy to curve my cooking...but nothing beats a nice medium rare steak straight off my grill.

i don't see how a person survives without cooking anything...it just seems so absurd to me.

as does being a strict vegetarian...it just doesn't make sense...but i've always been a meat eater...if i dont get red meat..i get cranky.

i do admit to the tastyness of a raw slice or two of bacon...but that's about as far as i go.

Originally posted by kozmo
I think you're seriously missing something here...

I'm not missing anything, i realize all the dangers of modern technology but if your smart you can negate most of these. Of course your gonna be exposed to some, its one of the downfalls of our modern society

Originally posted by Majiq
That means no clothes, no car, no home, food must be grown without the use of hoes, tillers, etc...

Also your two links do not show a decrease in over-all mortality rates. The first shows a decline or stagnation in the most "worst-off" counties in America. This is due to a lack of medical treatment, and such in those counties. The overall mortality rate has risen however.

Your second link only shows an increased mortality rate among obese Americans. That is a bit of a no-brainer, and has nothing to do with the dangers of cooked food. In conclusion, I think you have a lot to talk about but nothing to say.

I don't use a car and everything else you mentioned in no way requires tools...

Medical treatment is a leading cause in the decline of health imo and i never said the decline in life expectancy had anything to do with cooked food. I directly correlated it to mcdonalds culture.

Life expectancy is among the highest in cultures that have never seen or even heard of doctors

Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
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I get we weren't born with tools on our back, but the ability to USE said tools is what separates us from the animals. the ability to not only effectively invent them, but to use them in a proper way. We learned somewhere along the way that a hammer is used to hit nails and bang people in the head with.

We discovered fire. That improved life. We discovered how to build shelter where we saw it was best fit...improved life. we used tools to do all these things...to say we don't need them is absurd.

Everything you stated is your opinion, its in no way fact. You have absolutely no direct evidence to correlate use of tools and fire to improved life

utter bloody rubbish!

What about the enjoyment of food ?

Do we all have to become cavemen again and how was their life expectancy?
There may be some tiny amount in truth in what you say but considering my wife lost a good friend at the age of 42 today cause she lost her keys and froze outside her house... it really does seem such a tiny,tiny pathetic line to hang on to.

Grow up and enjoy life, we only get one.

Peace.

reply to post by fruitybooty
You're right about the lime juice, citric acid method for cooking. I love cerviche made with fish. It's cooked chemically with lemon or lime juice, no heat is involved at all. Here's a recipe for it:

hubpages.com...

Also, how 'bout fermented foods? Are they considered raw? Sauerkraut, tofu, yogurt, etc. And wine and beer, maybe fermented cider would be good too.

Anyhow, there's a new restaurant in our neighborhood that only serves raw food and smoothies and I gotta say that it's pretty darn good. I had a plate of their tacos the other day and they were exceptional. The meat substitute was ground walnuts but you couldn't really tell, I mean they covered the neutral flavor of it with salsa, guacomole, corn, peppers, sprouts, tomatoes and served it on a corn tortilla made somehow without heat though it was crispy. I'll eat there again, it was good.

But, I like to be diverse in my diet, I'll keep eating good ol' meatloaf (Mom's recipe) as well as steak on the grill along with salads, smoothies, shots of wheatgrass, cerviche, veggies from my organic garden, etc and will now include that little restaurant from time to time and maybe learn a few of their recipes.

All good

Originally posted by NeoSocialist


What about the enjoyment of food ?

Raw fruits and vegetables, especially fruits, are the most enjoyable foods out there. Cooked food is bland and needs to be dressed with salt and spices to have any sort of taste sensation