ATS ROCKS! And here are just SOME reasons why,..

reply to post by muzzleflash


Technically, ATS already has babies. BTS, AP, etc.

ATS is losing its common sense. I have seen entire threads brimming with stars and flags while all the information is from Rense. Especially on the enviromental debate both sides yell complete lies and throw proxy data at each other. Its falling appart.

The time it takes to post a stupid thread about how much ATS sucks these days, could be used to post an awesome thread about cool stuff.

There are now three threads like this going, complaining about ATS. Compaining about debunkers.
Members give these whiners 50+ stars/flags for basically crying, and the people who work really hard to bring you cool stories and articles dont even get ONE reply/flag/star on their post. These crybaby threads get in the top new stories section, and thats wrong. It has nothing to do with sciience/conspiracy.

Maybe they are tired of being debunked. Whatever. Thats what this website is for. The quest for the truth.
People like MR MASK and PHAGE like to challenge theories, especially the silly ones. Thats what this website is about. Truth. If you think something is fake, say so.

This thread, is an anti-whine thread, that is essentially fighting whining with whining. Which I dont understand. Either way. Quit. Find some interesting stuff and post about it.

I cant belive that when people are faced with data that they cant disprove (or if they are too lazy to reaserch) they will call the presenter an disinfo agent.

I cant belive that when people are faced with data that they cant disprove (or if they are too lazy to reaserch) they will call the presenter an disinfo agent.

reply to post by alyosha1981

I just cant imagine sombody actually being paid to come onto this site and post "ATS is dying" threads or the like...I dunno call me crazy

There are people who are paid to watch what is posted on ATS. I dont think that these people would start thread like "ATS is dead", they just read what is posted and they may also post something.

They dont want to reveal anything that may tell who these people are. These people are from the US govt. They are not interested in having good discussions, they just want to know what people think.

I think we need not worry about people being paid to say that "ATS is dead" and we all the rest of the people, we are not going to let it die.

Originally posted by mantisfan72
ATS is losing its common sense. I have seen entire threads brimming with stars and flags while all the information is from Rense. Especially on the enviromental debate both sides yell complete lies and throw proxy data at each other. Its falling appart.

Stars and flags don't indicate that the thread or a post has any quality. They only show how many supporters one or the other theory has.

You want to know what makes ATS less than the best?
What makes it no different than the rest, what makes it rot from the inside?

The fact that someone can get banned eternally for something small and ridiculous because of a specific staff members attitude or general demeanor.


The facts that certain subjects are shunned because of the outside populaces general ignorant perspective on such and from that, there closed minded state on even allowing such discussion to occur. Bending from outside authority and not truly setting the needed example.

If ATS and it's members really want to be different, then perhaps they should be, should they not?

In order to discover truth is it not necessary to entirely cover all aspects or will you just choose what fits the picture according to your own personal beliefs and ideal traditions?

You cannot pick and choose if you expect to find "real" truth as it is.

When management prohibits certain areas of interest, that is picking and choosing and not allowing the necessary process to occur that will cover all sides of what is essential to unravel the mysteries. Simply put, it mirrors all the areas of religion, society and corruption that it claims to differ from.

Like in society, ATS needs it's own revolution if it plans to uphold its claims truthfully and accomplish something worthwhile.

Just like in government, more and more boundaries are established to protect what? To protect who?

To protect the ignorant. To protect those with agendas. It is all a giant mirrored reflection of everything else if you look close enough. Yes there has to be order but what a convenient excuse to implement more restrictions and such. It's all there to see if you all just take a look.

Now onto somewhere where boundaries of formed opinion don't limit me and my quest in "the way it is", not the way it is wanted or percieved....

Regards,

N3krostatic

man........ i accidentally clicked the belowtopsecret link trying to switch tabs quickly..... lost everything i wrote. ill try again....


I believe that ATS is a very good site for discovering the truth, or just how difficult the truth is to obtain.

I have noticed a lot of people who seem to be flooding ats with an attempt to discredit. I think with any type of success, you need to accept the bad with the good, and up security. The topics on here are risque to say the least, and heated emotions can happen between those that don't understand civilized debate. I have noticed there are a lot of "I KNOW FOR A FACTS" on here. I can say they typically happen around religious (and anti) topics the most.

The sad truth, is that no one here KNOWS for a fact anything. Upon reading that you may want to start flooding my U2U with proof, please don't, it was just a generalization. Although, if you want to send me random stuff and ask my opinion on whether I think it's real or not, I have a good eye for design, and am experienced with many different image techniques in digital format (ie. merely uping contrast WILL show blocky patterns, but that's how the image is programmed to handle filesize, not a secret alien base.... most of the time ).

I try to handle most things I read and hear with a logical mind. Sometimes, I let my emotions get the better of me, but not usually. We are all human (hopefully hehe).

Helping your brothers and sisters on this planet should be a common goal, but unfortunately it's not always the case. To those I say, "Good luck on your journey".

One thing I will say, THANK GOD THIS PLACE ISNT ANYTHING LIKE 4CHAN.ORG. OMG that place....

If you think it's hard to come to a conclusion in a debate here, try opening a thread there. If it doesn't fill with people saying you win or fail, then it's porn. Logical debate is not allowed I believe. Albeit, highly entertaining it is.

I look forward to many years of contributing (or trying to rather), and providing help where and when I can.

I cheers all of those who have put countless hours into their research and postings, and I will always remember the amazing things I have learned while here. Of course, regardless of how crazy people think I am now "D

Love you all, and many blessings for your travels!

Live long ATS!

reply to post by zazzafrazz


A) competitor boards trying to bad mouth the number one conspiracy site?
B) destabalizing popluar opinion on ATS as paid disinfo agent

Many people who made these threads were old time users so your these logics at not correct. ATS is certainly going down in content and quality.



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Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by zazzafrazz

 

A) competitor boards trying to bad mouth the number one conspiracy site?
B) destabalizing popluar opinion on ATS as paid disinfo agent

Many people who made these threads were old time users so your these logics at not correct. ATS is certainly going down in content and quality.

Ironically, I think you are a paid agent

You missed out point C, which may be applicable to your reponce

C) the threads are simply a result of "I have nothing left to say" or "i lost my last debate so Im going to lash out"

WOW, darn you clever ATSers finding out I am a paid agent, paid for flag whoring! I knew I couldn't pull the wool over your eyes!



[edit on 14-12-2009 by zazzafrazz]

I always encourage those that have a problem with ATS to either contribute to the discussion and correcting of any problems real or perceived, or go whine somewhere else. The last thing we need is a site full of whiners discouraging intelligent debate by taking up valuable flagged header space with their crap.

ATS is User Generated. And that also means that you have to at least participate in discussion about where the site should go and back it up. If you can't be bothered to do that, then don't complain when things don't go your way. ATS is not about believing in conspiracies it is about discussing them.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


I edited my post and removed the content because I had second thoughts immediately after I posted it. I dont think you are a paid agent and neither were any who mae about ats going wrong way. but the reason I see the content and quality going down is the lack of credible sources. I specially hate it when people make post and post source as a private blog/ chain-emails etc. Also people intentionally try to derail threads. For eg. if you are talking about a chair in a thread, people will come in and start talking about wood or other wooden furniture. Even though, the heading of the thread explicitly states about a subject. People will continue to derail it. I have faced this problem many times and reporting to Mods. has never helped nor taken any action.

Another example is suppose the thread title is:
Israeli Lobby - Too Powerful!
would it not be off topic to come and post about Saudi/Chinese lobby? What has these 2 states got to do with the thread topic? The reason the thread is named something because people want to discuss about it and not stuff which is not concerning the subject of the thread or op.

Another example, You see the climate threads, people will not talk about climate there but medicare, taxes, birth certificate etc.

Another issue is personal attacks...what has anything got to do with my mother on ATS? Why should she be involved in anyway in my discussion. I have had comments thrown like "go hide under your mother's skirt" on me...and inspite of sending dozens of complaints even to the site owner, skeptic overlord the post is still there. Why involve my family dude!

Technically, ATS already has babies. BTS, AP, etc.

sorry I don't know BTS, AP, etc.
could you be more clear ?

While I do agree with some of the nagging threads about ATS' negativity, I find it easy to sift through. The really good threads on this site are what keep me coming back, which I'd say heavily outweighs the crap that gets posted here.

reply to post by deadlysponge


Get over it and quit being a douche bag with fairy wings. If you didn't have ATS where would you go? Infowars? Or would you simply register a myspace or facebook and spend your days playing Farmville?

My vote is on Farmville.

Cha! Cha! Cha!

Originally posted by December_Rain
Also people intentionally try to derail threads. For eg. if you are talking about a chair in a thread, people will come in and start talking about wood or other wooden furniture. Even though, the heading of the thread explicitly states about a subject. People will continue to derail it. I have faced this problem many times and reporting to Mods. has never helped nor taken any action.

People have different points of views, and perhaps they bring something into a discussion because they think it is relevant, even though you may consider it off topic. Threads develop, have a life of it's own, and a "derailment" can also be interesting. It can offer a new perspective, new information, so it doesn't have to be a bad thing, in my opinion. You can always try to bring up the original topic again if you think a thread has gone completely off the track.

Personal attacks is another matter, and in my experience the alert button is very useful.

reply to post by ziggystar60



But at least the poster should somehow try and link the matter with the content and subject of the thread which does not happen. That is the problem. Also I have never and will never use the ignore button since I believe the users should have self responsibility to not send personal attacks at all. Also if there are any personal attacks mods/ site owners should take care of it atleast after dozen reportings. I dont want to void myself from something interesting or information relating to topic or a diff. topic by completely ignoring a person.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by December_Rain]

reply to post by December_Rain


In that case, you can always ask a poster why he/she posted something you think is irrelevant or off topic. Hopefully in a calm and respectful way, so you perhaps can get at calm and respectful answer back.

And I never use the ignore button either. I am far too curious.

reply to post by zazzafrazz

Reading half the posts in those anti ATS threads leaves one to beg the question: Is it paid stupidity, or simply stupid stupidty?

I would really like to know the true percentage of how that breaks down on ATS posts, but nobody will ever know.