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We agree that we are both unable to define God and the complexity of God. I am asking a question based on a previous statement regarding the complexity of created thing's made by yourself. Either your statement is true or it is not true and the only way to validate that is to ask you to answer the question.
This is my whole point and you agree with it but you got egg on your face so your trying to prove something.
If we are unable to define God, then the question who created God is a silly one.
Now your blathering about something that's not germane to the original post because you realized that the question is silly.
The universe could not arise without the Wisdom of God. Material objects go from simple to complex and they require a Creator. This is true with the universe or the DVD player sitting in front of my TV.
Now back to my original post. The question, who created God is a silly one because as you admit we can't define God. You can't ask the question without first defining God and that was my initial point.
Originally posted by PublicDefenseCorp
This entire thread has been a beat around the bush concert.
If God does trutly exsist in any form, that God had to come to be at some point.
End of story.
Yet, this new question has literally nothing to do with the original point.
OK, and this is why I asked if you believe in evolution as it presupposes simple to complex. I can't determine if simple to complex things all need to be created by the hand of God or if some are capable of arising naturally. I honestly don't understand your blatant refusal to answer a very simple question.
Originally posted by PublicDefenseCorp
reply to post by sirnex
Of course.
I believe in a creator as well, just not some bearded white man on a cloud who never came to be, HE was simply always around..no beginning or end lol.
Of course it has nothing to do with the original point.
I answered your question. These things can't arise without the Wisdom of God.
I think your one of those guys that likes to hear himself talk because your post are full of nonsense that's not germane to anything. Your just blathering on and on about things that I already answered.
If you would take a deep breathe and read what your responding to then you would know this.
I didn't say God was unknown, I said undefined. The nature of God can be known. We can see this in the inherent wisdom in nature. This is why we have a mind to know these things.
Can I define God? no and this makes the question who created God a silly one.
This is just a "gotcha" question. My point is, the person asking the question needs to realize they have to first define God and pressupose that I believe in a created God in order to ask the question. Why should I debate a created God that I don't believ in with an atheist?
This is why I started the thread and I don't mind debating other issues but you just keep blathering on about nothing. I have answered your question in one sentence. I don't need to go on and on talking about nothing the way you do.
I'm getting kind of tired of reading your post. In the midst of all of your nonsense you ask a question. So I have to wade through sensless blathering to get to the question.
Originally posted by PublicDefenseCorp
reply to post by sirnex
Of course.
I believe in a creator as well, just not some bearded white man on a cloud who never came to be, HE was simply always around..no beginning or end lol.
I can see you just like to blather on and on about nothing.
Again, I never said God is unknown. You can know God is Love. You can know God is Wisdom but nobody said these things define God.
If your to dense to understand this then I can't help you.
So I'm going to stop right here because your post is a bunch of nonsense that I don't feel like wading through.
1. God cannot be defined so the question who created God is silly.
2. I never said God was unknown just undefined. For instance, I can define a human in terms of protons, neutrons and electrons. I can go even further with things like quarks. I can't do this with God. Hopefully this will stop you from blathering on about nothing.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
What? God just "poof" appeared one day? Why is it a silly question? Because you don't have an answer?
Originally posted by dzonatas
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
What? God just "poof" appeared one day? Why is it a silly question? Because you don't have an answer?
Despite the answer to the question, one should ask first...
What? Time just "poof" appeared one day... before a day could even be declared a day because where was the existence of time to measure a day?
What happened before time?
Originally posted by dzonatas
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
What? God just "poof" appeared one day? Why is it a silly question? Because you don't have an answer?
Despite the answer to the question, one should ask first...
What? Time just "poof" appeared one day... before a day could even be declared a day because where was the existence of time to measure a day?
What happened before time?
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
reply to post by sirnex
That's just silly.
I can't define God in terms of protons, neutron and electrons. I can't define God in terms of a material object. I said material things need to be created, I never said God was unknown. I don't believe in a created or material God, so there's no definition. I never said God's attributes are unknown.
Good question. We know spacetime came into existence after the big bang. Another interesting note is the Bible was saying this while science was saying something else. Science eventually confirmed that spacetime has a beginning. In the beginning........
Defining an attribute of anything is defining something, despite what it may or may not be composed of. You may not be defining the substance, but you are defining the capacity of and characteristics of. Either he is definable or he is not.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by Matrix Rising
Good question. We know spacetime came into existence after the big bang. Another interesting note is the Bible was saying this while science was saying something else. Science eventually confirmed that spacetime has a beginning. In the beginning........
You believe in the Big Bang Theory?
Either he's definable or he's not???? Says who?
Again, you fall into an illogical black hole based on your presumptions.
In the context of who "created" god, I can't answer that silly question without first defining what God is made of. I can't define that. I can talk about his attributes because his attributes are not the sum of his being.
Again, your just going to keep going in circles.
Yes, I believe the big bang occured. I believe many big bangs occur which sprout parallel universes.