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Originally posted by the_space_monkey
reply to post by sirnex
Personally, I don't want you to BELIEVE anything. I just think that there are gray area's on both sides. There will always be areas of doubt and room for dispute in any line of thinking (and this is where individuals on both sides of this argument begin to treat theory like gospel). Scientific and Spiritual thinking are both systems of theories, but they often get perverted into belief systems. Fundamentalist Christians/Muslims/Jews/etc. do this with religion, Atheists often do this with science, and Spiritualists/"New-Agers" pick and choose between the two but often end up with the same result.
You say that "psychic phenomenon has been proven fake or false in controlled settings", can you provide evidence for this? A study that DEFINITIVELY says psychic phenomenon does not exist, what-so-ever. I don't think you can.
Despite the room for doubt, you BELIEVE it does not exist.
Originally posted by Realtruth
Sirex,
Insanity is in your mind.
A dog chases it's tail, that is what thoughts are.
Words are labels to be interpreted.
Trying to prove anything besides numerical values, is subjective and objective.
When I said "Fact" I was being sarcastic. Facts don't exist. Fact is just a word.
Like I said, nothing is right or wrong, only thinking makes it so.
Originally posted by sirnex
Originally posted by Realtruth
Insanity comes from your own mind and your perception.
Great, so you accept that your being a little insane by not understanding what energy is.
Good or bad, physical or non-physical doesn't exist, only thinking makes it so.
Are you trying to say that our ability to think is preexistence prior to our birth? Can you prove that, have any evidence to validate that insane rambling?
[edit on 14-10-2009 by Realtruth]
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by RemusUK
All I need to know at this particular point in the discussion is whether consciousness is a direct result of matter or if matter is a direct result of consciousness.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by 4stral4pprentice
How does one explain brain damage? Why doesn't the consciousness, which you all seem to think creates matter, just work regardless of damaged areas? In other words, what theories would allow for such a thing? Why doesn't consciousness grow back a lost arm? Why don't we see reality changing all the time with every conscious thought?
All of the examples would be considered theories, just about everything in science is a theory and not really an absolute truth. With what we're learning about the human brain and death we can explain NDE's a little better as well as OOBE's. All the psychic claims have been falsified when in a controlled setting. The fact that nothing spiritual has ever been proven as of yet. How can I believe in something that has never been proven to be possible or reproducible?
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by Aquarius1
Oh get off it will you. We know what the pineal gland is and how it works. Ok folks... it's not mysterious or strange nor does it harbor some mysterious magical property that only you kind folks were able to discover and people much more intelligent then yourselves were unable to.