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Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
reply to post by Republican08
well...i would assume that loving god is the most important moral in christianity since not loving god is the only unforgivable sin.
so my answer is "love god."
do i win money?
Originally posted by Republican08
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Originally posted by Republican08
It showed ultimately that apes process wrongdoings, he felt robbed, stolen from and injusticed, it was amazing, i'll find the video sooner or later!
Or does it demonstrate how quickly institutionalised behaviour sets in?
Explain further please?
Institutionalised? How so?
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
if god came down and was like..."yeah guys...uh sorry i didnt show up earlier because (pick a reason. i prefer "i was napping", but you pick).
here are all these new morals i want you to follow", and all the new morals are what we now consider to be atrocious, would you follow those new rules?
there would now be proof of divinity and still the same punishments for not following. would commands from the (something that is irrefutably) divine be enough to make you do horrific things?
why or why not.
Originally posted by Republican08
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
reply to post by Republican08
well...i would assume that loving god is the most important moral in christianity since not loving god is the only unforgivable sin.
so my answer is "love god."
do i win money?
No, no money involved, more or less a soul perhaps. lol
For christianity mainly, if you believe jesus died for your sins then that's grounds for entering heaven.
Not loving god, would be to presume that he does exist but your against him.
See it?
Originally posted by Republican08
So newcomers to the thread see.
"What moral action, can you do as a religious person, that I as an Atheist, would be unable to do?"
(it's my own quote back off the copyright crap)
That's the main topic to keep clean there.
Originally posted by infolurker
Actually:
I can forgive, love, and be happy without causing others pain, shame, or anger.
I wish you and everyone peace, prosperity, love, health, long life, and happiness. I am truly happy with my life. I Love and am loved.
Can you truly do / say the same?
(Don't omit please)
Originally posted by drock905
there is no such thing as morality. Who decides what is moral and what is not. No ones mortality is better then the next.
[edit on 19-7-2009 by drock905]
Originally posted by tinfoilman
Well of course homosexuality is natural. But you see many foolish religious people have used the false argument that homosexuality is "not natural" to say it is wrong, but in fact they are misled. The religious objective is to fight against the natural wild animal urges inside yourself. Religion is about being unnatural. Natural is to want to steal. Natural is to want to murder and so on.
Without religion we're all just evolved creatures. Killing another human is no worse than stepping on a spider or killing a weed or hunting a deer. We're all just animals that aren't special in anyway from a moral point of view.
For example natural would mean pedophiles are completely acceptable. They are simply trying to pass on their genetic code to a mate as quickly as possible and they probably have a gene in their genetic code that urges them to commit their acts.
Polgamy may be natural as well. One male would want to mate with as many females as possible while denying the mating opportunities of other males. However, orgies may be an even better method overall.
But here's the real problem. Since there is no right or wrong atheists can do anything they want to other people, but they sure don't want other people doing that stuff back to them like rape, murder, child molestation.
This leads to the one big thing an atheist can do that a true believer can never do. Take someone's rights away. You see, a religious person believes their rights are given from god and no one has authority to take them away. The Constituion for example would simply be the government accepting that you have those rights, but they would still be there even if the Consitution was destroyed because no man can take them.
An atheist however has no rights. They have agreements with each other. Agreements that can be changed at anytime if enough people get together and decide to change those agreements.
That's the difference between us. To you my freedom of speech only exists because you agree to still let me have it. But your freedom of speech exists because my god gave it to you forever.