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Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by dragonridr
I am presuming that as your were some of the "first boots" on the ground that you met representetives of these terrorist organisations? Or did you just get the list from the big book of terrorists?
Do you have a source to say for example, that the IRA were in Afghanistan? What could they possibly gain from being in Afghanistan? Sounds dubious to me.
[edit on 19/7/09 by Kram09]
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by dragonridr
Yes i agree with you, those countries were responsible. My point is that the United States claimed that Iraq had WMDs and that because of this he was a huge threat. While in the 1980s the USA was supporting Saddam and supplying him with the technology responsible for the attacks on the Kurds etc. Don't you see the hypocrisy?
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by dragonridr
The Troubles in Northern Ireland were over by then. I find the idea of the IRA being in Afghanistan highly improbable. Where do you get this information from? Just because you were in Afghanistan isn't good enough? Did you meet someone there from the IRA?
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by dragonridr
I never heard anything about that and i can't find anything at all about it, with an internet search, so i suppose i'll just have to take your word.
Secondly the IRA have disbanded as an underground army.
IRA has disbanded as underground army
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
isnt it said in their Quran (sp) that if you can not defeat your enemy in battle, you win his trust, infiltrate and then basically slit his throat from behind?
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage.
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."
Bukhari (52:271) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746) - "[it is] obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... Whether the purpose is war, settling a disagreement, or gaining the sympathy of a victim legally entitled to retaliate... it is not unlawful to lie when any of these aims can only be attained through lying. But is is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression..."
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by dragonridr
Ohhh dear, do not try to start equating these muslims with the Nazis.
Totally uncomparable. Please....just don't go there.
Originally posted by Kram09
i own over 100 history books.
Originally posted by Kram09
Instead of spouting all the nonsense from that horrible website you keep linking to.
Originally posted by Kram09
Are you suggesting history is a pointless, useless subject?
Did you even bother looking at that thread i linked to?