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Originally posted by asmall89
Sorry I didn't mean Atheists in general, I meant his certain Atheist views mostly. I know not all Atheists do what he does, just like not every religious person goes out preaching at fourth of July ceremonies. It's hypocrisy by how he says Atheists are good we don't push our views on others like those religious fanatics, but turns around and does it himself. I guess what I'm trying to point out, is that all beliefs have their hypocrites/extremists I suppose.
Originally posted by Welfhard
Final thought.
Not all beliefs are equal. Everyone has a right to believe what ever they want but not all beliefs are indeed equal. Logic, reason and evidence are what make a belief good and superior, fantasies are not - this is important when one draws morals and ethical codes for behaviour from one's beliefs - someone inclined to thinking that the life here-after is better than this life may see murder or suicide as a good thing when it isn't. I know that's a rather extreme case but still, you get ma point.
Someone standing on a soap box shouting end-of-time, fire & brimstone fearmongering is not to be respected.
Originally posted by sinthia
The athiest position is the most ridiculous of all.
I suppose that 'fantasies' relate to religious beliefs?
Where do athiestic morals come from?
Murder certainly isn't frowned upon by many athiests if is re-labelled abortion.
"Religion will set you free?! That's not true, I ditched Christianity and have never been freer in my life!"
Originally posted by Republican08
Originally posted by asmall89
Sorry I didn't mean Atheists in general, I meant his certain Atheist views mostly. I know not all Atheists do what he does, just like not every religious person goes out preaching at fourth of July ceremonies. It's hypocrisy by how he says Atheists are good we don't push our views on others like those religious fanatics, but turns around and does it himself. I guess what I'm trying to point out, is that all beliefs have their hypocrites/extremists I suppose.
He as one is hypocritical, or is in self denial.
I as an atheist, do push my views on others, although, not on anyone under the age of 18, they are free to be children and act as such, under law.
Those over 18, are subjective to the same spam as I am. No I'm pretty sure I didn't win a free X-Box, for the final time!
Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by sinthia
Learn to spell 'atheist'.
Fantasies are products of the imagination. They are not reality. If something that is believed to be true yet is demonstrably false, it's a fantasy.
Morals are evolved social behaviours, not principles found in stories. A monkey will not be able to comprehend any morals you try to teach it yet it will still tend to a wounded or sick family or troop member. A monkey will still cooperate even if means sacrificing food. An Atheist gets his or her morals from the same place animals do, instinct and parents.
I made a thread about this a while back about the Social Investment
Obviously, you think murder can not be justified. If a stranger broke into my house and was going to rape or murder me or my family, I would not hesitate to kill - or murder - him first. Life is not sacred and therefore lives can be valued and all lives are not of equal value. If a 13 y/o girl was raped and impregnated, I would not make her keep it and I would hope others would not either. Abort - or murder - the child while it can not suffer and salvage what is left of a traumatised girls mind in hope that she could recover.
I am not for abortion - or murder - as a general rule, but for certain circumstances, an abortion - or murder - is in order. I would sooner try and avoid it having to come to that with contraceptives like condoms or the morning-after pill.
[edit on 15-7-2009 by Welfhard]