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Dear Edrick
Firstly, my aplogies to the moderators if I have broken any rules. I assure you that my proverbial tounge is being bitten until it bleeds and, I am aware of the rules of engagement here.
Secondly, sticking to both topic and addressing your "points" Mr. Edrick, did I ever call you a child raping, woman hating, hate filled toroglodyte"? No, I certainly did not.
As always, I believe your unspoken, yet crystal clear contempt towards women shines through on these types of threads that you always seem to flock to, and your zeal causes you to overlook many other facts.
What I said, was that woman and children are the unfortunate victims of war largely at the hand of men.
I am not religious, nor and I trying to derail this into a religious debate on sex slaves, but here are some quotes from the bible and koran to support the sexist notions towards women in "holy" texts that support what I mentioned earlier:
From the bible:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
From the ahadeeth:
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459:
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:
I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
For the record, I am not dismissing honorbale soldiers who fight valiantly to defend their nations and people...be they male or female. Say what you will about me as a female ex-soldier, but I am mightly proud of my contribution to my nation and my people, and I am likewise proud of the soldiers both male and female that served with honor beside me, as well as those that were before me and after me that are honorable.
I just have issue with reading things like this, that happen at the hands of men, against women in war. This is NOT men "laying their lives on the line to protect and defend women". This is subjugation, terror and oppression:
Then you have the gaul to say they survive. Well, at what cost? Again, I stand firm that you see these atrocities as little more than collateral damage in your mind. It's more than wrong, it's disgusting and non-human (the acts mentioned, not you).
I never said chivalrous, self-sacrificing, honorable men do not exist. It's a fact that they do. In fact, in a previous post, I plainly stated that despite the men that wounded my heart, I love men and refuse to paint them all with the same brush due to my bad experiences in the past. Please don't forgive my opinion, but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder against women to me.
In the interest of being civil, I won't even address your final comments directed to me. On topic, I will say that I do feel that women are generally more objectified, oppressed and underprivileged than men in most parts of the world, and not given chance to reach their full potential. As human beings I believe everyone deserves that chance.
I will say that I do feel that women are generally more objectified
oppressed and underprivileged
in most parts of the world
Do you not find your statements to be grossly generalized towards all women? Have any women here spoken in such a way to you, or any other man? What would warrant such a response from you towards all women?
Wow. The definition of mysogyny! Switch teams, man on man love would be far more appropriate for you and will protect any women you come in contact with.
And in case you forgot, a woman birthed you. Possibly not the best decision she ever made, but you are HERE because a woman was willing to bring you into this world. Maybe that is all she did for you huh? Sounds like it.
As always, I believe your unspoken, yet crystal clear contempt towards women shines through on these types of threads that you always seem to flock to
Originally posted by Edrick
As there is A LOT of anti-male sexism in the establishment also. (This thread is an example)
-Edrick (Ain't no sunshine when your gone)
Originally posted by amazed
Originally posted by Edrick
As there is A LOT of anti-male sexism in the establishment also. (This thread is an example)
-Edrick (Ain't no sunshine when your gone)
You know what? I don't see that as much as you do obviously. I have not seen the women here bashing the men in such a manner as the men have been bashing the women.
To use the term misogynist in response to statements made by certain people, is NOT bashing on men. It is calling it like it is towards specific statements made by men. If you can't handle the truth, I am sorry for that. Ever heard, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck it most likely is a duck. And you know what? Even if it is a woman pointing out that it is a duck/misogynist, it is still a duck/misogynist.
I am raising my daughter, and my son to respect themselves and others. If men and women could do that, then perhaps we could get past this hating on each other. Perhaps the next generation will be better, perhaps not. I think it will take many people, men and women, to take responsibility for their actions, and stop blaming other people. Everything, can't always be someone elses fault, and eventually you have to grow up, or always be a hateful person, and that is sad.
Edrick, women to this day around the world are still being victimized by sexism, to say that it only took place in the past is ignoring what takes place on a daily basis around the world.
I would wonder, that if what you see as lies, deceit, ignorance, and bias, are actually what you WANT to see for reasoning's of your own. Perhaps it helps you feel righteous in your hate towards women. And like several others on this thread, we hear your hate loud and clear.
I have never said that "men" owe me, I have stated we need each other, men and women. We can compliment each other, and assure that we all get what we want. Though I do feel that all of us, each and every one of us OWE each other, we owe each other respect, compassion and love.
Part of me is very angry at the statements that some men have made in this thread, and another part of me is so intensely sad. Angry that you guys would say the things you do about women. And very sad that something took place in your lives that has caused you to blame others instead of taking responsibility for your own lives.
In the end, all I know to say to people who hate others, men and women, would be to GROW UP.
And I am done with this thread, it has turned into a few misogynist bashing on women, not a true discussion of the thread topic.
Harm None
Peace
Unfortunately, you offend potential female allies and seem to resist learning anything of value out of your experiences, and you have not been healing your wounds. Your story is boring us, it is egobased pure and simple.
Only a uncreative coward that is afraid to stand up to this man made hypocritical system would generalize about women the way you do.
You are in an /mental crisis and you should get some help, especially if there are kids involved, you are really being irresponsible and immature.
Everything, can't always be someone elses fault, and eventually you have to grow up, or always be a hateful person, and that is sad.
Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by Seasick
Do you not find your statements to be grossly generalized towards all women? Have any women here spoken in such a way to you, or any other man? What would warrant such a response from you towards all women?
From Sonya610
Wow. The definition of mysogyny! Switch teams, man on man love would be far more appropriate for you and will protect any women you come in contact with.
And in case you forgot, a woman birthed you. Possibly not the best decision she ever made, but you are HERE because a woman was willing to bring you into this world. Maybe that is all she did for you huh? Sounds like it.
From Seasick
As always, I believe your unspoken, yet crystal clear contempt towards women shines through on these types of threads that you always seem to flock to
*Cough*
That answer your question?
-Edrick
Understand, that I realize that sexism towards men does exist, and I am in no way trying to deny that. Yes, I do understand that quite often women are given custody of children more than men. I would like to add this in part has to do with the truth that women are in general, the main caretakers of children, even when both parents work, in general (not always), women are the ones to care for the children.
Just look at the Muslim world where women are not even allowed to show their faces and have to keep covered up while men are allowed to murder them under the law if they feel that the women has "shamed" the family. While the men, IMO shame themselves every single day with this type of attitude towards women.
In the past, legally once married, the husband and wife were considered one person in law, with the legal existence of the women suspended and the man having full control.
If you look at rape, we can see a pattern of hatred towards women, rape inflicts psychological and/or physical trauma, and has nothing to do with sexual interest, only control, ie male dominance, and objectifying and degrading women.
In regards to education, women were excluded from higher education and encouraged to follow "lesser intellects".
Boys still receive more attention and praise in the classroom to this day. What this creates is that over time, the girls learn to speak less in the classroom, and therefor end up with lower IQ's. They learn to not even try. It is a really sad situation.
Women have as well historically earned less than men, and this continues to this day. When you look at women and men who do the exact same work, men are paid more.
Another form of abuse towards women is genital mutilation.....Understand that this is not the same as circumcision done on males.
the cutting of the foreskin does no damage, while female mutilation causes lifelong damage.
Originally posted by wclv13
reply to post by amazed
Thanks for posting all that and hope you got through to some folks.
The genital mutilation is something not alot of people know about, so kudos for bringing that up.
Originally posted by wclv13
Apparently I got to be the one to point this out to him:
"So what you are saying is... Female genital mutilation is barbaric...
But MALE genital mutilation is Civilized."
Hello sir???? You cut out the clitoris and the female will not have an orgasm! Oh yeah, you THINK just by putting your thing in her thing she orgasms. NOT
The clitoris is there for a reason.
The foreskin does not make a darn bit of difference whether you guys have an orgasm or not.
The ignorance of the female anatomy from alot of men is just uh, LAUGHABLE
Originally posted by wclv13
reply to post by wclv13
have had boyfriends cut or uncut. Why do you care? Tis just a piece of skin that makes it easier for you to clean yourself, no?
I don't think women really care one way or the other as long as you clean yourself. We just push it back and go to town. How does this effect you?
The religious aspects are stupid to say the least, but to compare cutting of the foreskin to cutting out the clitoris is only a fancy of a man who is clueless about the female anatomy. Get much hon?