Marilyn Monroe: The Case Reviewed

Marilyn Monroe, the name radiates with Beauty, Affair, and of course death. But what happened to this glamorous and beautiful young woman? Was she murdered, was it an accident or was it a suicide. This thread will delve deeply into the possibility of all three. Perhaps this will shed light on what really happened to her.

Brief Biography

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Marilyn Monroe

She was born Norma Jeane Mortenson on June 1, 1926 in Los Angeles, California, to Gladys Baker. As the identity of her father is undetermined, she was later baptized Norma Jeane Baker. Gladys had been a film cutter at RKO studios, but psychological problems prevented her from keeping the job and she was eventually committed to a mental institution.

As the above describes. Marilyn’s mother had psychological problems. Which may have passed down to her daughter. Her father was unknown and he could have had psychological problems, unfortunately we will never know. Also what we see is that Marilyn’s mother's psychological problems were so severe that she was forced to quit her job.

Norma Jeane spent most of her childhood in foster homes and orphanages until 1937, when she moved in with family friend Grace McKee Goddard. Unfortunately, when Grace's husband was transferred to the East Coast in 1942, the couple couldn't afford to take 16-year-old Norma Jeane with them. Norma Jeane had two options: return to the orphanage or get married.

As we also see here she faced many challenges in her young life. What she missed the most in her life was balance. She never had a balance of life, never had what she needed. Again as you can see life all over...

On June 19, 1942 she wed her 21-year-old neighbor Jimmy Dougherty, whom she had been dating for six months. "She was a sweet, generous and religious girl," Jimmy said. "She liked to be cuddled." By all accounts Norma Jeane loved Jimmy, and they were happy together until he joined the Merchant Marines and was sent to the South Pacific in 1944.

She liked to be cuddled a highly important statement. Because it shows and demonstares that she was yearning for love and not just :love" but unconditional love. Which Jimmy did not provide, because he left her. At this time young Marilyn enrolled herself in Drama classes and began to study Jean Harlow and Lana Turner. After getting a job at 20th Century Fox, Marilyn died her hair blonde and divorced Jimmy. Sometime later Marilyn Married Joe DiMaggio.

Unfortunately, Marilyn's fame and sexual image became a theme that haunted their marriage. Nine months later on October 27, 1954, Marilyn and Joe divorced. They attributed the split to a "conflict of careers," and remained close friends.

Marilyn has now and will be an image for all. This was a clear turning point, not only adding stress to her, but stress to her way of life. She was sought after by lovers, not true love. This would plague her in her life.

On June 29, 1956, Marilyn wed playwright Arthur Miller. The couple met through Lee Strasberg, and friends reported she made him "giddy."

Again as we can see she is looking for LOVE, not lovers as many people has suspected.

Sadly, in a shocking turn of events on the early morning of August 5, 1962, 36-year-old Marilyn died in her sleep at her Brentwood, California home. The world was stunned. Marilyn's vibrant spirit and beauty made it impossible to believe she was gone. On August 8, 1962, Marilyn's body was laid to rest in the Corridor of Memories, #24, at Westwood Memorial Park in Los Angeles, California.

Then everything changed, Marilyn died. But the real question was:

1) Was it an accident?
2) Was it Suicide?
3) Was it Murder?

And if any of those were to be suspected, the question would become: Why?

This thread is dedicted to Marilyn Monroe and will hopefully shed some light on her and her life.


Her Psychological State

As we have read above Marilyn was plagued by psychological drama and perhaps an unidentified psychological disorder. Psychological problems that were clear:

1) Had a rough childhood
2) Was a shy child
3) never had balance. Never had a clear family
4) Did not understand: Love
5) Never had true love
6) Was wanted because of her sensuality in the eyes of all men
7) Which all of this led to depression, and not just depression, but severe depression.
8) Drank a lot to battle the depression (Drank with her pills)
9) Her brother killed himself in WWII
10) Her Grandmother suffered from psychological issues on her mother’s side.

Unclear Psychological issues:

1) Her mother had a clear history of psychogical issues
2) It was serious enough for her to be institutionalized

She could have had a psychological issue. This issue would have followed her all the way to her death and could of been a reason why she died. Not only that, but Marilyn was suffering from severe insomnia. Which leads us to:

Drug Abuse

She overdosed on the drugs Nembutal and Chloral Hydrate, or so the official story goes. Lets examine what these drugs are.

Nembutal:

The barbiturates are nonselective central nervous system depressants which are primarily used as sedative hypnotics and also anticonvulsants in subhypnotic doses.

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However, Nembutal is not given out as often as it used to be due to its powerful addiction and dangers of overdosing.

Chloral Hydrate:

Chloral hydrate is a sedative and hypnotic drug as well as a chemical reagent and precursor.

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Monroe was obviously batteling severe insomnia. And these pills mixed with a cocktail of alcohol could be potentially fatal. In fact Monroe was found dead with an empty bottle of Nembutal on her nightstand and the prescription was for 50 pills and filled 2 or 3 days before. It was recommended that she only take 1 per day.

Affairs

Before proceeding further it is important to know who she was hanging around with and maybe the motives they could have had.

Richard Burton:
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Famous ladies man Richard Burton cheated on his first wife with Hollywood sex icon Marilyn Monroe, according to startling revelations in a new biography of the film legend.

Frank Sinatra:
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That same year Marilyn became involved in a highly publicized, but short-lived affair with Frank Sinatra.

John "Jack" Kennedy and Robert Kennedy:
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According to friends of Marilyn, a relationship developed between Marilyn and the two Kennedy brothers. She was believed to have had separate affairs with the two men simultaneously. Her relationships with Robert and John, unknown to the public, became the talk of Hollywood. Marilyn was often seen dancing or in intimate conversation at private parties with Bobby or John. According to her closest friends, her heart belonged to the elder brother, John.

And probably many others. But these were the high rolers! Especially, Robert and John Kennedy, they would play a vital role.

Infact, people often quote this as why, Mariyln loved John more than Robert.



Lets not forget that she wasn't "high" or "drunk" in this video. Infact she was sick and had a temperature of 103. But none the less she performed.

Her Words- The Words That Give Light On Her Life

Before we get to the Scene of the Crime and the theories and my conclusion to everything. I think it is imprtant to see what she spoke and lets see what she really felt.

"I have too many fantasies to be a housewife. I guess I am a fantasy."

"An actress is not a machine, but they treat you like a machine. A money machine."

"Being a sex symbol is a heavy load to carry, especially when one is tired, hurt and bewildered."

"I don't want to play sex roles any more. I'm tired of being known as the girl with the shape."

As we can visibly see this woman was and knew that she was being viewed as a sex symbol and in most cases she enjoyed it. But deep down and further on, we begin to see an affect happening. She becomes "tired", views herself as a "machine", feels "Hurt" and worst of all viewed herself and her life as a fantasy.

I am going to post this, I believe Marilyn Said it, but if she did not just disregard this quote:

Marilyn was in an interview and the man asked her why didn't she go to some big event. Marilyn smiled and said, "Because no one asked me."

The interviewer said, "What? No one asked you?"

Marilyn then said, "No one asked me because they thought I had a date."

It was something along those lines, but it was very powerful to what she said. Everyone thought that the woman, Marilyn Monroe, the goddess of Hollywood had a date and NO one asked her out. That was a very powerful quote if you can see the deeper meaning of it.

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The Crime Scene

August 5th 1962, at 3:50am Marilyn Monroe was pronounced dead. Dead by overdose of barbituates, however, doctors disagree if it was suicide or an accident. The offical report states that she swallowed 50 Nembutal and chloral hydrate pills in one GULP. This is highly important and we will get here later.

Or at least thats what the offical report states. Lets continue on in the examination of the crime scene.

Lets view the crime scene timeline before advancing:

Timeline according to the above and accepted cause of death

7:30pm. Peter Lawford telephones Monroe. Lawford claims she sounded depressed, her speech was slurred and became less and less audible so he had to yell in order to wake her. Monroe's last words to him were "Say Good-bye to the President and say good-bye to yourself, because you're a really nice guy". Some of these elaborate theories arrive from:

8-9pm. Henry Rosefeld telephones Monroe and states she sounded normal.
Around 9pm Monroe telephones hairdresser Sidney Guilaroff to arrange an appointment.

9:30-10pm. Former boyfriend Jose Bolanos telephones and states Monroe sounded normal.
Sometime after 10pm Monroe telephones Jeanne Carmen to invite her over for a talk but due to the late hour Carmen declines.

10pm. Housekeeper Eunice Murray walks past Monroe's door and states she saw a light on under the door but decided not to disturb her.
Midnight. Murray notices the light under the door again and knocks but gets no reply. She tells police she immediately telephoned Dr Ralph Greenson, Monroe's psychiatrist.

Dr Greenson arrives and tries to break open the door but fails. He looks through the French windows outside and sees Monroe lying on the bed holding the telephone and apparently dead so breaks the glass to open the locked door and checks her. He calls Dr. Hyman Engelberg.
The carpet in Monroe’s room was a thick pile which made it difficult but not impossible for Murray to have seen light under the door and the French windows had blackout blinds which also made it difficult to see inside the room.

Police are called and arrive shortly after 4:30am. The two doctors and Murray are questioned and indicate a time of death of around 12:30am.
Police note the room is extremely tidy and the bed appears to have fresh linen on it. They claim Murray was washing sheets when they arrived.
Police noted that the bedside table has several pill bottles but the room contained no means to wash pills down as there was no glass and the water was turned off. Monroe is known to gag on pills even when drinking to wash them down. Later a glass was found lying on the floor by the bed but police claim it was not there when the room was searched.

5:40am. The undertaker, Guy Hockett, arrives and notes that the state of rigor mortis indicates a time of death between 9:30 and 11:30pm. The time is later altered to match the witness statements.

6am. Murray changes her story and now says she went back to bed at midnight and only called Dr Greenson when she awoke at 3am and noticed the light still on. Both doctors also changed their stories and now claim Monroe died around

3:50am. Police noted Murray appeared quite evasive and extremely vague and she would eventually change her story several times. Despite being a key witness

Murray travelled to Europe and was not questioned again.
The pathologist Dr Thomas Noguchi could find no trace of capsules, powder or the typical discolouration caused by Nembutal in Monroe's stomach or intestines indicating the drugs that killed her had not been swallowed. If Monroe had swallowed the drugs there would have been residue. If Monroe had taken them over a period of time which might account for the lack of residue she would have died long before ingesting the amount found in her bloodstream. Monroe was found lying face down but lividity on her back and the posterior aspect of the arms and legs indicated she had died lying on her back. The body was covered in bruises, all minor except for one on her hip. There was also evidence of cyanosis, an indication that death was very quick. Noguchi had asked the toxicologist for examinations of the blood, liver, kidneys, stomach, urine, and intestines which would have revealed exactly how the drugs got into Monroe's system. However the toxicologist after examining the blood didn't believe he needed to check other organs so many of the organs were destroyed without being examined. When

Noguchi asked for the samples, the medical photographs and slides of those that were examined and the examination form showing bruises on the body had disappeared making it impossible to investigate the cause of death.
The toxicology report shows high levels of Nembutal (38-66 capsules) and Chloral Hydrate (14-23 tablets) in Monroe's blood. The level found was enough to kill more than 10 people .

An examination of the body ruled out intravenous injection as the source of the drugs leaving only an enema or suppository as a source. These sources were considered unlikely and had no evidence in support so Naguchi reluctantly wrote that the drugs were swallowed.

The coroner, Dr. Theodore Curphey, oversaw the full autopsy. Apart from the cause of death as listed on the death certificate, the results were never made public and no record of the findings were kept.

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Lets investigate both ideas Suicide and Accidental Death:

Suicide/Accidental Death

It would not be the first time Marilyn Attempted to kill herself.

Marilyn facing all the pressure from her past and her present state, how she has grown tired of what the world has given her swallows 50 pills in ONE GULP. She lays down and dies. Thats how it works. Thats the end of her story. But what about the evidence does it support what was claimed?

Dr. Theodore Curphey the head corner stated that Marilyn Swallowed all 50 pills at once and that led to her eventual death. However, upon closer examination we see that this is not true.

How does a woman, swallow 50 HORSE pills at once? And without the aid of water. Not to mention that:

Nembutal capsules, when digested, leave a yellow dye discoloration on the lining of the intestine. There was no such discoloration inside Monroe. There was no evidence that partially or undissolved capsules even existed in her digestive tract.

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Not to mention some crazy paper work:

Why did the coroner fail to test her lower intestine for the tell-tale dye marks? If there was no liquid to swallow the pills, why didn’t the coroner’s office look at other methods of introduction, such as an injection or colonically? Why did the "official" death certificate list the cause of death as "Probable Suicide," with the former word penciled in?

LINK IS THE SAME AS ABOVE.

View the autopsy report (Not the original) here: LINK

Things seem odd and very odd.... Which of course leads to a cover up, which leads to the only reason for a cover up, Murder.

Murder

Yes, murder. But by who? Before we get to speculate upon that lets anazlyze the crime scene.

1) Broken Glass on the OUTSIDE of the house. This is backed up by many eye-witnesses. Which would mean that if it were outside the house, the window was broken from the inside. However, it was stated that a barbed fire poker was used which would allow glass to fall inside and outside.
2) Miss's Murray was doing the laundry AFTER she found out that Marilyn was dead. The sheriff did not know where she was and did not find her until he was in the laundry room. He found it odd that she was doing the laundry and the "boss" was dead.
3) Hospital personal were reported to have been there much earlier than reported. Apparently, they were able to revive her, the medical personal attempt to give her adrenaline, but the medic hit a rib and she died there. This would have been around 10:30 pm. (This was reported by an ambulance medic, however, no physical evidence exists and no one knows if this is true. However, there were no needle marks on the body).
4) There is no evidence of pills in the stomach or intestines. As was reported. Because the pills are absorbed quickly.
5) When the toxicology report came back it said that she had overdosed on Barbituates (the ones stated above). However, the reports vanished.
6) She was said to have died with the phone in her hand, however in the official pictures of the crime scene before it was touched, there is no phone in her hand.
7) Her body must have been moved. Due to there being more levitite in her right cheek that means when the police arrived her head was left cheek up. (Levitie means more blood to rested there).
8) The door to Marilyns room was locked and dead bolted from the inside. The door was especially heavy and a very solid door. This means that the doctor and Miss Muray could not have broken down the door so easily as they reported.
8) This works with what Miss Murray stated that they went to the outside and broke the window to gain entry.
9) An Enema could have been used.

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10) Which would make sense with the reports. By doing this the colon would absorb the medicine directly and have a quicker effect. The question was, was her medicine used to kill her through the form of an enema?
11) Marilyn Monroes stomach had ruptures, which corroborate with the medicine she took.
12) The pills swallowed was actually 24 instead of the actual 50. The 24 would dissolve much faster and would be completely unknown.
13) Before the other suicide attempts, she told people that she was going to kill herself. This time there was nothing. However, if the reports of the phone in her hand is true then perhaps she tried to call for help...
14) Yet the Enema theory does not stand here, she would have to be forced down and expelling the enema would be more then probable. However, the autopsy report stated that she was not held down. The enema theory fails...


The evidence of murder is slim, however, there are many conflicting accounts and unusual behavior that night. Her head was moved, the actions of her workers and doctors was odd, and the reports of the phone missing from the pictures. What does it mean. Why were their so many errors and why was there so much unusual actions? Perhaps we will never know.

However, the evidence suggest that she did indeed commit suicide. The strongest piece iof evidence to support this:

1) She locked her door that night, when before she never locked her door at night.

While we like to think that she could have indeed been murdered the lack of evidence states specifically that she was not. While we like to think that maybe a conspiracy is possible here, especially with the Kennedy's as stated here:

Allegedly, Monroe felt that Bobby was a better lover than his brother. She also fell in love with Bobby and believed he would divorce his wife for her. There were rumors that Monroe kept a diary of her late-night pillow talk with Bobby Kennedy -- a diary that supposedly contained detailed conversations about several top-secret political matters.

As the U.S. attorney general, one of Bobby Kennedy’s objectives was to crack down on Mafia-controlled unions and their leaders, most specifically AFL-CIO head Jimmy Hoffa. The union leader was supposedly tipped off that Kennedy had been sleeping with Monroe. Hoffa wanted to get the goods on the president’s pesky little brother so he allegedly wire-tapped Monroe’s home, to record the couple’s most intimate moments. When Bobby Kennedy’s handlers found out about Hoffa’s nefarious activities, they decided he had to dump Monroe, which he did.

What was Marilyn to do? According to one of her former lovers and friend, Robert Slatzer, she scheduled a press conference for Monday, Aug. 7, 1962. Monroe was planning to spill the beans on the Kennedy boys. She also made an appointment to meet with her attorney right before the press conference because she intended to revise her will.

Reportedly, Robert Kennedy was in Los Angeles on Aug. 4, the day Monroe died. His staff, however, claimed he was in San Francisco for the entire day and could not have been in Brentwood to kill Monroe.

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While it is very easy to connect invisible dots and visible dots, due to how far Marilyn Monroe snuck up Washington. Affairs with the highest of authorities and probably told classifief information. I do not think she was murdered. The evidence shows that she was not. While there were many issues with the reports and the pictures, the PHYSICAL evidence itself suggest that she was not killed, there was no foul play and there was no conspiracy.

Beautity itself slayed this glamorus actress, her life was looked upon with envy and in death she became an eternal goddess of hollywood. To rule and to stay forever, however, in the end she was not brought down by an enemies hand, but by her own.

Marilyn Monroe will be remembered for everything she was in life and everything she will become in death. And even after her death pictures still appear that have never been seen:

Unpublished photos

And with that I leave you with this:



Thank you for reading and I hope you enjoyed this thread,

Peace,
~TheMythLives

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Simply stunning thread, I wondered when a Monroe thread would pop up on ATS, there is none as far as I know, or at least none like this. What a mastered thread, there is no need for another one now (unless it contains groundbreaking cover-up evidence), you covered it all.

My mom was a big fan of hers and always said she believes she was killed for reasons involving JFK and RFK. I have to agree it seems highly likely she was murdered. I thought Chloral Hydrate was only available in liquid suspension though? I am aware that pentobarbital (Nembutal) is available in pill form, but I though CH was only in liquid form. They don't use either hardly anymore, there are newer, safer, and better drugs like Xanax, Halcion, Ambien, etc that are good for sleep and anxiety. But great thread with some GOOD PICTURES and information.

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Its most certainly possible she was murdered. Its fun to speculate that and I appreciate the kind words, however the evidence for a murder is far and FAR between. But hey, there is definatley still room for speculation!

And much thanks for the kind words, they mean a lot Krog!

Very good post

S & F

Back in 1986 or 87 I was in High school and working in Hollywood California at the time at a local hardware store. This customer would come in from time to time and talk all about Marilyn's Murder.

He claimed he was the "Present" owner of the bungalow or bungalows. 1986/87 give or take. He said that he was doing some renovations and found all kinds of "extra wiring" in the crawl space/attic above hers. I don't remember his name.

Never knew if he was the real deal or not.

Great thread.

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Thank you for the kind words slay, and that is very interesing story/stories you must have head. Again thanks for the support!

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BIG ole' Flag for you, sir!!!

Sure many more to come.

"Candle in the Wind"......

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Thnak you for the kind words as well..lol.. I am really appreciating the support everyone is providing! Thank you weedwhacker!

Terrific post! star and a flag! I was 13 when she died, but can still
remember that day, it came on the news. I am a big fan. Wish she
could of found the love she so desperately needed and searched for.
It is hard to actually say how she died, alot of conflicting stories, and
confusion exist having to do with her last hours. Life at times can be
lonely, and cruel. One can only hope she went to a better place of peace.

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wow, that must have been amazing to be there an dhear about her death first hand. I appreciate the kind words as well

I'll post more videos tomorrow, videos that will show from her younger days to her bad days. We will be able to see her progression and her downward sprial. Psychological issues plagued her and they need to be addressed..

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Another quality thread from a quality contributor, S&F.

This is a truly intriguing case that just screams of conspiracy. Here we have one of the most glamorous actress of all time who was involved with some very powerful men. Dies in mysterious manner, I say mysterious because of all the conflicting stories. We may never know what really happened.

Thanks TheMythLives for a great read.

I was young when she died and have always remembered the impact this had on everyone. A very sad story!

Of course we always believed the injection story, but now that seems questionable. It makes one wonder that it was truly suicide and was "MADE" to look suspicious! Like someone had it in for Bobby and attempted to frame him.

Very interesting.

Star and flag!! Thanks for all the research. I watched it all.

iNTRESTING Theory. Makes you think of how much evidence is hidden and "cleaned up"...Do we trust our eyes, words, or what they tell us..Kind of strange for a maid to move to Europe.

she died at home?
I thought she died on a boat or drowned... I'm pretty sure about that.
Did someone change the timeline on me?

She was an MK Ultra (Mind Control) subject and was murdered when she was no longer needed.

I've done all the research on her, and that's the conclusion.

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The murders were simply her fans. Why? Even if she committed suicide these fans cared not about her, but about her sexual beauty.... The didn't listen to her, hear her out, spend time with her except for her body hence driving her to possible suicide....

If these fans truly cared about her then she wouldn't have even tried to commit suicide...

These are the same type of people killing all kinds of today's Hollywood type people as, and again I repeat say that they care about them, but only care about the music, movies, etc... The same type of people who are FANS or should I say MURDERERS of these type of people are also killing hundreds of thousands of people worldwide...

To stop these killings all one needs to show is REAL truth, and REAL love instead of ignoring the person inside... These are also the same people who create depression, illness, etc...

Have you seen a movie with her? I saw just one, but this was disgusting. I did not even bother to memorize the title.

What she does, as an actor, is to abandon every character. Her role is the doll: She basically react on the stimuli provided by the men. Her famous look is the perfect mimicry of a child without own thoughts or even feelings. Just a sex idol, no personality and a slave to the male actors. She is the most perfidious advertisment for a sick capitalism and male dominance - though capitalism is not bad in itself

Very sad, that this world is so humiliating for women. But her famousness is the undeniable symbol for the pervertedness of nearly the whole world.

Above all, she was very depressed and highly addicted to many drugs. She cancelled her last movies, because she couldn't even perform the most simple actions.

On the surface, people might admire the smoothness of the skin, the breasts and a perfect voice. But just some centimeters behind the surface was a girl, that satisfied the most laughable desires of a mass publicum. And destroyed herself for fame.

Everyone who is blind to the destruction of culture is twisted himself

Oh, yeah there are a lot of theories of the Kennedy's such as this:

In recent years legal documents dating from the 1960's have come to light. These documents seem to prove that the kenndy family promised to give Monroe $600,000 dollars in a trust fund for her mother, Glady's Baker, if Monroe kept quiet about what she knew about the links between JFK and Mafia boss Sam Giancana. After the star died, it sppears that the documnets and the pledge were broken and all references to it were covered up. These documents quickly became quickly became the subject of a hotly fought court action in the US. However, debate upon the autheniticity still rages and they are beginning to look more and more as extrememly well done fakes.

Thanks for David Southwell and Sean twist for the above info.

However, lets be honest the evidence was examined and demonstarted a suicide by Monroes own hands. While we would like to connect dots to secret government plots, the Kennedy's, hell even the maid. The evidnece itself states that she was not murdered, but killed by her own hand.....

Originally posted by grey580
she died at home?
I thought she died on a boat or drowned... I'm pretty sure about that.
Did someone change the timeline on me?

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You may be confused with Natalie Wood.
Natalie Wood

Wood drowned near Santa Catalina Island, California in late 1981. Her final film, the science fiction drama Brainstorm (1983) with Christopher Walken, was released posthumously.