Surviving on wild food - Vegetarians!

reply to post by lowki


Excellent, so it is possible to survive as a vegetarian

I am not sure I agree with asceticism though.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by lowki

 

Excellent, so it is possible to survive as a vegetarian

I am not sure I agree with asceticism though.

Well the only part of it that relates to food is "eat only as much as is necessary to be healthy".

Eating more than necessary to maintain good health leads to being overweight or obese as many Americans know -- like the fellow that mentioned eating tubs of lard earlier.

Really those of us that eat only as much as necessary to be healthy live longer healthier lives and have more time for thinking and spiritual endeavors.

find it is better to look into the raw vegan/vegetarian diet. As these people are skilled survivalist and can show you what to look for in nature and what to eat without having to eat game. Hers some to look at:
www.curezone.com...
www.reallyrawfood.com...

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[edit on 18-5-2009 by Applesandoranges]

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reply to post by Applesandoranges


WOW!

Those must be the most comprehensively helpful posts ever made on ATS! Incredible.

reply to post by Indigo_Child


it is almost impossible to give advice as most food is seasonal and therefore depends on the season you are forced to survive in and also depends on where you are. by the sea you have easy food because you can find fish and other seafood all year round. your best hope of survival is to find river, lake or ocean. they are a great source of food all year round. for books i would suggest ray mears wild food or food for free. but as i live in England my advice and these books could well be completely useless.

I was so happy to find this post but had to give up half way through because of the attacks on veggies/vegans. Seriously, what is it wrong with people having a moral and ethical standpoint which they are passionate about and believe in wholeheartedly? Why do some meat-eaters find it necessary to turn every mention of vegetarianism/veganism into a pathetic argument in which they act the superior being. It really, seriously p**** me off! Christ, the way some of you go off, is like you already have your defences up for no good reason. Unless you're feeling guilty about your inability to do something selfless and commit to it?! I work at a gym and if someone offhand hears I'm a vegan, they take it upon themselves to talk down to me and tell me how goddamned stupid I am. Would you do that to a christian? You all just come across bitter, completely rude and pathetic in your arguments. I could say a hell of alot more but I'm not going to sink to your level. And just for the record, I'm a very strict vegan. No I don't have anything that comes from an animal, insect or fish. I don't wear leather, fur, snakeskin and anything else you can think up. No honey, gelatine, insect food colouring, NOTHING - so good luck poking holes in my belief, if you still want to be immature idiots.


To those ACTUALLY WANTING INFORMATION, I highly advise looking up foraging courses in your area. You can do one day (and longer) courses throughout the year to learn which wild foods are edible, and which are useful for medicinal purposes no matter the season. There are a wealth of books out there on the subject too and would be invaluable should shtf. Also stock up on a ton of seeds so you can grow your own essentials as well, if possible. Keep a huge stock of nuts/beans etc, the tinned ones can last a fair enough time.
Someones awesome suggestion about beansprouts is a great one! SO good for you! I'm also packing away lots of vegan vitamins/supplements aswell.

Abit OT but If you've got pets, make sure you get in a big supply of food for them too! At the moment my cats have more food stored up than we do! Whilst similar to normal ones, you can also get pet first aid kits too!

Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: Starred and Flagged!

OMG! Applesandoranges posts blew me away! Can a mod please give this member and applause because I can only provide a measily star!

Personal Disclosure: I'm an opportunistic omnivore! I would love to discuss individual strategic options for vegetarians/vegans befor moving on to more tactical options for them specifically tailoring those tactical options to the overarching strategy. For example. Strategy: Urban Bug IN.
Tactic: Supermarket raid for tins of baked beans/fruit/etc.
Strategy: Rural Bug OUT. Tactic: Nomadic grazing of wild grasses etc.

reply to post by Indigo_Child


I'm sorry Indigo but foraging wild plants will not sustain you - you
will get sufficient fats in your diet and you will die. Vegetariansim
andsurvival are mutually exclusive words.

Be like the bear - you don't think badly of bears do you? They're opportunists, omnivores. I was vegan once for several years but over time I realized that the natural diet for humans did include meat.

Are eskimos bad people? Most of their diet is meat. Think about it.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I am vegetarian and find the concept of killing animals abhorrent. I would soon die than kill another animal. I do not want to get into a debate over vegetarian vs non vegetarianism. I would just like some real useful tips on how a vegetaian could survive out in the wlderness on wild food without consuming game. Please share any resources or book recommendations if you know any. Thank you.

[edit on 8-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]

Two Words: "Euell Gibbons"

Gibbons was known for being one of the main proponents of the return-to-nature movement and specialized in showing people how to live off the land. He often commented on how the landscape around you is laden with edible plants, and that armed with the proper knowledge, anyone lost in the woods should never go hungry.

Gibbons achieved became a popular culture icon in the 1970s, appearing on shows like the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson to promote wild foods.

His books are wonderful resources.

Stalking the Wild Asparagus (1962)
Stalking the Blue-Eyed Scallop (1964)
Stalking the Healthful Herbs (1966)
Stalking the Good Life (1966)
Beachcomber's Handbook (1967)
Stalking the Faraway Places (1973)
American Food Writing: An Anthology with Classic Recipes, ed. Molly O'Neill
Feast on a Diabetic Diet (unknown publication date)

Euell Gibbons Handbook of Edible Wild Plants. Compiled by Gordon Tuncker and Freda Gibbons (1979)

bon appétit

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by audas

 

It is just my morals that I do not want to kill animals. Respect that. I am not saying anything about your morals, so why should you mine?

I do not buy into the myth that all ancient socities ate meat. I think many of our ancients survived on grains, beans, vegetables, fruits and berries, nuts, honey. That is the real food full of vitality and energy. Meat is made up of the same nutrients, but it contains less of it in a substandard form. This is why it is "heavy" and toally counterproductive to spiritual growth.

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]

I'm in no way disrespecting your morals, but honestly think about it.

You're in a survival situation... You're not going to cultivate wheat and and grains. Do you know how many veggies you need to eat that will equal the energy you will get from something as small as a squirrel?

We are humans, humans are predators, we are the TOP predator. Why? Because we might not be the physically strongest, but we make weapons, traps, etc... This is how humans survived for hundreds of thousands of years.

Now, I suggest to you to start thinking about eating insects if you don't want to kill animals, learn a LOT about edible mushrooms, the value you get from those are fantastic. You will NOT survive for more than a couple months (hope it will never come to that sort of situation) eating only veggies, not enough fat and protein. It's physically impossible. You can now, in our world of choice, you can go get beans and vegetable oil and whatnot, but when you're in the wild... you might not see a single bean for 6 months...

I'm 99% sure however, when your skin is tight around your bones, and you hardly have enough energy to make a simple fire, you'll rethink your morals.

Remember, you're a vegetarian by choice.

Necessity for survival however, demands veggies AND meat... whether it's fish, insects, birds, rodents, bears, tigers, eagles, endangered species, last of it's kind, gross slimy larvae, poisonous snakes, etc... doesn't matter... you need it to survive... or you die. There really aren't any morals left when you're dead.

I'm really trying not to disrespect your beliefs... but when push comes to shove, in survival, it's all fair game. And you WILL need it.

Sorry.

reply to post by Indigo_Child



Google for books on FORAGING.
And unless you're planning on going into the "wild" totally empty-handed, packets and sacks of different seeds - including beans (a fantastic food) and, of course, various nuts - should go a very long way. But do not plant them (at least not all of them): grow seedlings, i.e. SPROUTS. They are easy to grow, require relatively little care, nutritionally they are a "super food" - AND they are delicious. (Their individual taste is actually much stronger than that of fully mature plants.)

Also, save the seeds of whatever fruit or vegetable you eat (provided it's feasible, of course), so you can replant them.

If you think you're really going to need it, you can start practicing right now.

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you can be a vegatarian in the summer, but come winter your garden is gone, and you will have to kill animals for food. budda was wrong. listen to jesus and slay the fatted calf!

unless you want to watch your loved ones die while a mindless cow keeps chewing away oblivious to life.

reply to post by Spiritfilled



Sprouts are never "gone", as long as they are provided a little water and above zero temperatures.

I am pretty sure Jesus would agree on that.

Originally posted by Vanitas
reply to post by Spiritfilled

 

Sprouts are never "gone", as long as they are provided a little water and above zero temperatures.

I am pretty sure Jesus would agree on that.

but in winter the tempature is below zero, so no sprouts. fatted calf