FAA Memo: Feds Knew Flyover Would Cause NYC Panic

reply to post by earlywatcher


Picture of the Goldman Sachs building Jersey City,NJ.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fbd02bce6ff7.jpg[/atsimg]
As you can see it sticks out like a sore thumb and is vulnerable to attack. This is directly across the Hudson River from the WTC site.

reply to post by Erasurehead


I watched this video several times. I don't live anywhere near NYC, was not in NYC on 911 but I find this video terrifying. Anybody, in any city, would have been frightened if this happened at their building. I'm very interested in your point that buzzing this building was not necessary to circle the statue of liberty. It would seem that either orders to these pilots did not include buzzing this building several times and they were just joyriding, which I find impossible to believe, or the orders involved both the statue of liberty and buzzing the tallest building in NJ. A building that just happened to house a company that contributed mightily to the financial meltdown.

While this certainly reignited your memories of 911, I bet that anybody new to NYC was pretty scared too. I wonder if this intended to be a message to everyone in the country that every building is vulnerable to attack from the air. That an order can be given and carried out any time, any place. I sure wish there were a way to find out the exact orders in the original two missions and the final orders for the actual mission. Of course the orders would need translation because I don't speak aviation, but you get my point.

I look forward to your pictures of the building!

reply to post by Erasurehead


excellent photo! tall building. according to wikipedia it is 781 feet tall and some article said the plane flew at 1000 feet. Just over 200 feet above this building. Surely that is not lawful even for a small plane to fly this low and buzz the building. Surely that is both dangerous and incites terror when done by a jumbojet. Would a commercial pilot or freight pilot be allowed off the hook because the boss promises it won't happen again? I don't mean to arrest the pilots, because these were military orders, but do whatever you would do to a private citizen if they authorized this, to whoever gave this order. I think we need hearings into this. This is not acceptable behavior.

reply to post by Erasurehead

Has anybody pointed out that F-16s are tyoically not equiped to take high-quality PR photographs? You don't shoot those types of images through a compound curved canopy. Nor with all of that expense, do you have a F-16 jet jockey do the snapping. Something really smells with this latest trick on us.

reply to post by earlywatcher


In the case of regular FARs (regulations) the altitude requirement for VFR is 1,000 feet above the highest structure within a 2,000 foot radius.

However, as a military airplane, with FAA approval, the rules can be suspended. Also, civilians can be exempted, just as you see at sanctioned Airshows.

reply to post by Aliensun


These F-16s are equipped with high-resolution cameras. If you'd note, you'd see the bright orange paint, indicating that they are unarmed, and neutral.

This so they are obvious, and not mistaken as being an agressor.

The morning of the flyover, about 6:00 am there were 2 con trials forming a perfect x in the vicinity of jersey city.
No other clouds in the sky.
I know because I was driving there that morning.
With wind variables, drift would be a given.
At the time they were made, I would be guessing that they were directly above the target area.
X marks the spot.
Clearly visible from satellite, I am sure.
La Dee Da, further into the day, reports of swine flu.
Flyover!!
The plane's underside was covered with a mirror like coating.
You could see the reflection of the buildings in it.
Also the F16 had some reddish/brown/orange coloring.
They made 3 passes following the same route.
Except each pass was a wider circle each time.
For an additional 10 or so minutes after the final pass, the engines could be heard.
Sandy Hook is a major military installation and maneuvers are conducted all the time.
On numerous occasions have I seen planes and helicopters fly over, but never directly.
The plethora of media coverage ranged from "shooting a movie" "several f16's" to "another 911".
All conflicting and all more stupid than the next.
The only accurate thing was that people were fleeing buildings.
I really don't panic, even when 911 happened, but I was there, Right underneath the plane and I can tell you, I thought for sure it was headed for a building with an f16 escort to knock any interlopers or missiles out of the way.
Out of all of this I would suggest one thing.
We are out of control and need to wake the hell up.


The powers that be, gave us instincts.
Trust them.
Do not trust the media.
It was a full 2 hrs before I heard anything accurately describing what happened.
That is valuable time wasted.
We will never know anyway.
Even if we completely upraise and rebel, the orchestrators will take it to the grave.





[edit on 30/4/2009 by reticledc]

reply to post by reticledc


Congratulations!!! You are the winner of the one hundred thousandth most ridiculous posts on ATS!!

Nothing made any sense, whatsoever.

'mirror' ??? 'brown-orange' ??? 'X marks the spot' ?!?!?!

Is there a thread, yet, about the rampant paranoia that has infected ATS? If not, someone should start one.

reply to post by weedwhacker


reply to post by weedwhacker

Why thank you very much.
Just a coincidental set of occurrences.
Total weirdness about the mirror coating.
But then again I don't know what was not weird about that day.
But I guess that If you were not there you would not understand.
Nor would you be able to read a fact such as the following states.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Aliensun

 

These F-16s are equipped with high-resolution cameras. If you'd note, you'd see the bright orange paint, indicating that they are unarmed, and neutral.

This so they are obvious, and not mistaken as being an agressor.

So you tell me what is normal or not ridiculous about AF1 and an F-16 flying over NYC?

Those are strange but true facts from a person that witnessed it first hand.
Again, I guess you can't read.

[edit on 1/5/2009 by reticledc]

reply to post by reticledc


There was a similar event, a photo-op planned for Washington DC. It has since been cancelled.

Airplanes in regular traffic fly into and out of LGA and EWR. New Yorkers certainly are enured to that, so it seems the idiots who decided to keep this from public knowledge just assumed no one would notice.

I can't speak to what they actually thought, of course. I just imagine that they were so disconnected from reality that they truly saw no problem.

As to the pilots involved, I'd guess they are really pissed off...because, THEY probably assumed that everyone had been informed. Professional pilots, even in the Military, would question a mission such as this, unless they felt it would not have caused the reaction it did. So, I suspect the pilots were lied to.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Why on Earth would any one reopen old wounds like 911 by doing such a stupid thing. After the initial OMG response, I guessed that AF1 had some technical difficulties and circled to keep from crashing or something to that matter.

Perhaps it has an entirely different meaning altogether. Without a doubt, the military or AF1 does not mobilize in and urban area simply for publicity.
I am not kidding about the con trails either. 6 am that morning there was an x in the sky right over that area. I was thinking to myself, gee... x marks the spot...Stupid I know. Then that thing happened later and I remembered what I saw.
To stray a little. (I have always entertained the idea that contrails are markings for satellites to see and survey certain areas)

Anyway, they must think we are all really stupid to believe that cockamamie story.
Peace!!


[edit on 1/5/2009 by reticledc]

I don't know if this theory has been posted or discussed before...there are so many threads on this topic and I haven't been keeping up with them all so my apologies if this is redundant, but I found it quite thought-provoking:

The recent mysterious fly-over of Air Force One, low over Manhattan in New York City, triggering panic and the evacuation of the World Financial Center and other Manhattan skyscrapers, seems to be linked to this: it appears that Obama and some from his team had decided to meet with Trustees and representatives from China and other foreign powers to try to reach some agreement/solution [to economic issues connected with China's massive US debt holdings]. But Obama did not properly consult with "those upstairs who have the final say", who then decided otherwise and ordered Air Force One to land in Washington DC, doing that with a more than threaterning demeanor. Fearing the worst, the Air Force One pilot decided to protect his plane by having it "seen by millions" over the skies of New York City, in such a way that the two F16 fighter jets "escorting" him could do nothing "strange" (see the incredible low fly-by videos on YouTube). Later on, the missions of these foreign creditors of the US - Chinese included - were involved in a confussing shoot-out with FBI operatives that left several agents dead...

Source:
www.marketoracle.co.uk...

nothing we didn't know in this article but some of the wording is interesting.

The White House report, which did not address officials' conduct outside the White House, portrayed Caldera as deaf to concerns. After the flight, Caldera met with top administration officials and was asked if the White House had been notified. "The director responded yes, someone had mentioned it to him," according to the report.

Later in the meeting, a White House official presented Caldera a letter accepting responsibility. He made some edits and took responsibility because he thought it was the "standup thing to do." The White House report also indicated the operation was packed with potential opportunities for administration officials to call it off.

Deputy military director George Mulligan said he first told Caldera about the proposed photo shoot on April 20 - a week before it was scheduled to take place. The same aide also said Caldera should notify deputy chief of staff Jim Messina because it was an unusual move.

military.com

This makes it sound like Caldera certainly didn't initiate the photo op mission, barely knew what it was about. I like the part about the White House official presenting him with a letter accepting responsibility. Would like to know who that was: Rahm? We still don't know who initiated this, who decided on the low flying details and the exact route. I wonder if we will every hear anything about the Air Force and Pentagon investigations.

If the mission would have been to actually take pictures, they would have had a helicopter doing the photography. From what I have heard, all other publicity photos taken of Air Force One were always done with helicopters.

There obviously was something else going on here, no doubt about it.

I have filed an FOIA request for manifest, expenses, crew, etc. Think I'll get anything back?

reply to post by habu71


excellent plan! there is no legitimate reason for them to refuse if this mission was what they said it was. a refusal would confirm that they are hiding something. can't wait to hear what you learn!