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Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
Stop trying to lie and distort your way out of this.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Unfortunately, it seems that lies and distortion are on par for certain members, such as WitnessFromAfar, Polomontana/PlatosAllegory, and Malcram. However, we should not blame their short-comings on every believer.
Originally posted by Malcram
Originally posted by mmiichael
Yes, I read the list. One name I recognized immediately - Philip J. Corso... I assume Corso is representative of the people considered credible on the strength of their onetime employment in the military or some other credentialed profession. It looks to me as if out of hundreds of thousands of military personnel and other professions, the Disclosure Project was able to round up a few dozen what you call 'bad apples'... You'll find attention seekers, the foolishly gullible, and just plain whack jobs in any field.
Come on Mike, that's a completely illegitimate way of dealing with evidence. Need I say more? Your words kinda say it all for me.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Unfortunately, it seems that lies and distortion are on par for certain members, such as WitnessFromAfar, Polomontana/PlatosAllegory, and Malcram. However, we should not blame their short-comings on every believer.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
To give both sides at least a modicrum of credit *as opposed to the usual polarized bashing*:
1) It is possible there are aliens visiting Earth. We are in no position to say where the paths of technological advancement will take us and the abilities that will be allowable.
2) It seems logical that if a being has the ability to reach here it should be comparatively easy for them to hide said presence from us.
3)Some people seem to NEED to believe that they are here and will cling to anything they see as evidence supporting that stance.
4) As a mirror opposite *polar* to #3 some people seem to NEED to believe that they are not or don't even exist at all and will cling to anything they see as evidence supporting that stance.
And on another note OP, listing the other possibilities is not just something skeptics do to discredit, it's something anyone who truly grasps the concept of investigation will do because they know just because they have pet theories doesn't mean those theories are always correct.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
To give both sides at least a modicrum of credit *as opposed to the usual polarized bashing*:
4) As a mirror opposite *polar* to #3 some people seem to NEED to believe that they are not or don't even exist at all and will cling to anything they see as evidence supporting that stance.
[edit on 19-3-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Malcram
well i think thats a bit of a cop out. it tells me there is no 1 single piece of stand alone evidence to support the ETH.
we hear stories of craft doing these amazing manouvers. However im not aware of 1 single piece of footage showing a craft doing incredible manouvers. All the videos of lights in the sky show something moveing very normally. Its ashame.
perhaps we are being visited but they are so diffirent so alien maybe even from another universe or dimesion that we are unable to interact or communicate with them. It would seem they dont want to communicate with us and theres not alot we can do except wait until they change their minds.
Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by Malcram
we hear stories of craft doing these amazing manouvers. However im not aware of 1 single piece of footage showing a craft doing incredible manouvers. All the videos of lights in the sky show something moveing very normally. Its ashame.
Originally posted by Europa733
Nablator has seen it, he can tell you that I am not lying and he agrees with me.
Main Entry: know
Pronunciation: \ˈnō\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): knew \ˈnü also ˈnyü\ ; known \ˈnōn\ ; know·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cnāwan; akin to Old High German bichnāan to recognize, Latin gnoscere, noscere to come to know, Greek gignōskein
Date: before 12th century
transitive verb
1 a (1): to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2): to have understanding of (3): to recognize the nature of : discern b (1): to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2): to be acquainted or familiar with (3): to have experience of
2 a: to be aware of the truth or factuality of : be convinced or certain of b: to have a practical understanding of
3 archaic : to have sexual intercourse with
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: \bə-ˈlēf\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelēafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lēafa; akin to Old English lȳfan — more at believe
Date: 12th century
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed ; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
Originally posted by Malcram
Hi Mike. Do you want fries with your McFacts?
So what you are saying is that because you asked someone for "1 piece of evidence to convince", on a messageboard, during a discussion about the importance of using the scientific method to weigh the full range of evidence in order to reach a conclusion, and they refused to humour such a lackadaisical approach to the evidence, then this "tells [you] there is no 1 single piece of stand alone evidence to support the ETH"? LOL
As I said originally, the request was rather lazy and and a bit insincere, given the context of our discussion (not to mention off topic), and this is confirmed by your 'research' based conclusion here, solely consisting of - "you didn't tell me so therefore I know such evidence must not exist". As I said, this attitude is the investigative equivalent of 'speed dating'.
You and the scientific method clearly don't get on. LOL. If you are prepared to reach conclusions on such a incredibly tenuous basis then obviously you already have your mind closed to the evidence, so what is the point of engaging in the debate? Come on Yeti, do the research for yourself. It might surprise you! Anyway, you may get your wish in another thread more appropriate to your request as I know some members are thinking about putting something together that might better suit you.
Originally posted by Europa733
reply to post by Malcram
Hi there,
I totally disagree with your entire message, your "speed dating" argument is just a way to escape a rather "simple" question you were asked. This rather shows that you CANNOT ANSWER it.
Please, stop bullsh..... us.
[edit on 19-3-2009 by Europa733]
Originally posted by mmiichael
Malcram,
OK you caught me. But guilty with an explanation. I work very hard at my business these days, and steal time to follow threads on ATS that catch my eye. I don't read through every message and may lose general drift at times. My responses tend to be reactive - when I see something said that's out of place to me I jump in.
I keep up with UFO information as best I can. These days I rely on others I know well who follow the scene more closely. Much I put forward is a synthesis of my own and a their shared informed views.
So please forgive any inconsistencies and possibly out of context replies. It's more a matter of time available than any disrespect.
Mike F
Originally posted by nablator
Originally posted by Europa733
Nablator has seen it, he can tell you that I am not lying and he agrees with me.
edit to add:
As good as it is, it is not the smoking gun, or proof of ET visitation. I'm looking for information on microdrones that could display such an amazing flight pattern.
[edit on 2009-3-19 by nablator]