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So what do you do? Marry again, as quick as possible, to anyone?
Originally posted by soficrow
Originally posted by eventHorizon
Consumerism was the main drive for corporations, and
feminism served their purposes brilliantly.
Unfortunately, anything can be manipulated. And usually is.
FYI - Before "feminism," women were legally prevented from having jobs. So widows and their children, unmarried mothers and their children, the children of rapists, cads and various other walking dildos were condemned to poverty and slow starvation.
Do you really think it's fair to blame the victims? And create them?
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Byrd
I wouldn't say "wealthy", but you're very right in saying that poor women often worked low earning jobs. So did children before reforms..
But the mainstream Middle Class family, it was primarily the Male working full time, and the Female in the house/working part time etc, but not the main "bread winner" so to speak.
The trend that it was expected, in America, for women to work not stay home accelerated in the 50's, and by the 80's the "equality" movement had women making a good portion of their husbands salary.. enough anyways to cause inflation of product and real estate.
I think your views are rather extreme, almost ranting.. I don't think you are understanding my point..
Originally posted by Jadette
At the core of this topic, aside from the economy angle, is women's rights. Put the woman back in the home and we end up with a society where women are beholden to men, for their food, the roof over their heads, for money, for their care...
What happens when a woman cannot or will not marry? If you're really, seriously saying that women in the workforce become the exception and not the rule, do you think that the education and opportunities will remain for the ones that must or want to work?
As someone said earlier, it wasn't that long ago that because of similar conditions, women who fell on hard times, had been abandoned or had her husband die, or who never married, even moreso if she had children, were left with nearly no options for support, and lived lives of poverty.
Women owning their own property was the exception not the rule, until 1900. If you were married, it was your husband's. And forget about having any claim to monies. As recent as the late 1800s, married women had about as many rights as slaves.
Imagine, you're 22, you have three kids. Your husband runs off. You didn't get much education beyond high school, why should you have? You have no work skills. And even if you did, with the social norm asking for women to remain out of the workforce and stay in the home, what jobs would there be for a woman? So what do you do? Marry again, as quick as possible, to anyone? Rely on your father to support you? Take a job, any job, scrubbing floors, or cleaning homes? Don't you see the pitfalls of such a system? And this scenerio was all too true, not that many years ago.
I don't have a single problem with women who wish to stay at home, raise children, care for the home. But it's another thing to say, "Hey, women shouldn't work outside the home". Because you cannot guarantee me, or other women, that the freedoms we have now would remain.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
THE ANSWER to all our problems is staring us in the face. It may even be quite literally staring at you, right now, across the breakfast table.
So put the paper down, stare back and ask yourself a selfless question.
Does the woman in your life really need a job?
Originally posted by orangetom1999
reply to post by nikiano
By your posts I would say Humility and modesty are good traits to have for anyone.
“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”
Suffering is considered to be the main funtion which women are expected to suck up by these guys. While accusing women of selfishness, they are trying to create an atmosphere that would be bad for 50% of women and children.....because these guys are scared of not having a job. The other ones want to do it so that they can impose their religious beliefs into law, while saying that all the women and children who suffer are "God's" plan.
This feminist thinks all these guys can kiss my ass.
Originally posted by nikiano
Originally posted by JohnnyR
reply to post by nikiano
WOW how many times can you say "I" in a couple paragraphs? Might want to take a look in the mirror next time you're primping your polished self to explain why you'll probably never find a man you just described. I one of those responsible ones you talk about, and I even stay home with my kids and love every second of it, own two bars blah blah blah.
Only thing you're missing, is it takes someone who isn't selfish to do all the things you're looking for in a man, and the only way you won't find the drug abusers, alcholics etc. (which by the way are pretty selfish people) is if you start acting and being the person you want to find....unselfish
Did you even understand what the OP and the article said, or did you just read the Headline and assume we wanted to hear your man hating rant?
And you have just proven my point about men.
If a man got onto ATS and and said he was waiting to get married and have a family until he could find a woman who was as accomplished and responsible as he was, he would be called smart. But when I do it, I'm called selfish.
Oh, but yes, I must be selfish. That's why I spend the majority of my free time doing independent research into helping people with mood disorders and practically give away my time and services to free. But I'm selfish. That's why I pay for homeless vets medicine out my own pocket when they can't pay for it themselves. But I'm selfish.
How dare I, a mere woman, turn down 3 marriage proposals, because I'm waiting to find a guy who would actually be responsible enough to take care of himself and a family?? If that makes me selfish, then I guess what "selfish" is, is smart.
You can't even begin to know who I am by my "rant", as you call it. But your response is typical of many men. If I can't find a responsible, accomplished, emotionally mature man, it must be MY fault....because I'm too selfish.
Men.
[edit on 3-3-2009 by nikiano]
Earlier i said we are not equal to men, that we are different, therefore not equal. However I want to amend that by saying that a stay at home mom's job is just as important, equal in importancte to that of the breadwinner.
Breadwinner, breadmaker equally important.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Byrd
I wouldn't say "wealthy", but you're very right in saying that poor women often worked low earning jobs. So did children before reforms..
But the mainstream Middle Class family, it was primarily the Male working full time, and the Female in the house/working part time etc, but not the main "bread winner" so to speak.
The trend that it was expected, in America, for women to work not stay home accelerated in the 50's,
and by the 80's the "equality" movement had women making a good portion of their husbands salary..
I think your views are rather extreme, almost ranting.. I don't think you are understanding my point..
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Originally posted by OKCBtard
Just for the record, this thread is not about your personal life or your own failure to meet a man. It is about Women causing the credit crunch!
Originally posted by Whisper67
I'm sure you made the title of your thread sexist on purpose to generate attention but I ask you this...
If you're placing your whole argument on a dual income family, while single out the female? Why is it the womans fault? A man is just as capable of staying home and nurturing the family or perhaps you don't see your gender as capable of this much responsibility. Why not title the thread dual income families caused the credit crunch? Here your logic fails me...miserably.
Another failure in your thread is 'working women.' This doesn't suggest the marital status of the female whatsoever. Would you have rather I golddigged my way around until I finally decided to marry in my thrities, not contributing to myself or society?
I've never been a single mother so I can't speak for them even through I can clearly hear their voices screaming at your thread. Not that it matters, my dad instilled into me a strong work ethic and provided me with an education so I would always be able to support myself no matter what. After I married and had a baby, I did become a stay at home mom and that was the only rational admittance on your part that yes indeed, it is much more difficult, and often thankless, job then crunching numbers in a cubicle.
Have another shot and think before you thread. I'm expecting your next thread to read:
Females Responsible For Govt Crisis-Revoke Their Right To Vote!