Weird Off Limits Area in Suburban San Diego

This site is rather odd though. I know avgjoe360 and I go to school with him (what's up Joey?) and I know what he's talking about . There is a place that has red sands, but that's a dirt bike track that people go to on a regular basis. However, my friend said he saw one of the "famed" black helicopters land there a few years ago. He said they simply waved to him and refueled and left. Not very sinister, but worth mentioning.

Originally posted by n120by60w

Originally posted by NightVision
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I'm really not sure if the ground over there is Gypsum, Sand, Clay, or dirt. But I could get a sample quit easily. I would naturally assume that certain areas of the fmr. base have diff. chemical traces in them due to the diff. types of testing that went on there. May ask why u want a sample and what u intend to do with it?

I tried to work with Mufon in the 80's when I discovered this.
I tried to have the local investigator in Readosa MN get a soil sample off a horse racing Ruidoso Downs.
I know for a fact that the horse track used this treated sand to control water.
The Racers can control what they call Muders.
Large Hoved Houses on a wet track.

U of Michigan also uses it to control water under its foot ball field.
Management can manipulate the moisture level of the soil.
If they are playing someone that changes direction or sprints well.
Then they can increase the moisture level slightly and wala its a little more slippery when you pivot to change direction.

I wanted to get these soil samples before it got out why we were doing it.
The New Mexico investigator blew me off.

I wanted a sample so I could build a presentation model for investigation of of Alien Underground Bases.

I personally have seen a Alien Black Tube style Craft Raise from Gypsum.
And I have score to settle with those Bastards.....

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With out Wax --- Watcher

N120by60w- I live here in the 'Downs'. All I know is our racetrack is a sand track. Our track season is from Memorial Day(end of May) to Labor Day(beginning of Sept). As far as moisture control, it has to be sand because our monsoon season is in July and August-very wet!(No Global Climate change here[another subject])

Last year we had major flooding in July that washed away the track. They had it redone within a week so as to not disrupt the season. They just use the local sand. Being in construction, I can tell you what's in the sand. It has a very high concentration of crushed quartz. Also there is a significant amount of caleche(gypsum) and some clay. Alot of sands will also have an amount of iron in them also.

'White Sands', which is nothing but gypsum sand dunes is about 80 miles away driving. If you look on GoogleEarth just look for the big 'white spot' right below the big 'black spot'(lava fields) in central New Mexico. Also the 'gypsum sands' is home to Holloman AFB and White Sands Missle Range.

As far as a secret recipe to our track's sands. Nothing here.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by geo1066]

Originally posted by geo1066

Originally posted by n120by60w

Originally posted by NightVision
reply to post by n120by60w

 

I'm really not sure if the ground over there is Gypsum, Sand, Clay, or dirt. But I could get a sample quit easily. I would naturally assume that certain areas of the fmr. base have diff. chemical traces in them due to the diff. types of testing that went on there. May ask why u want a sample and what u intend to do with it?

I tried to work with Mufon in the 80's when I discovered this.
I tried to have the local investigator in Readosa MN get a soil sample off a horse racing Ruidoso Downs.
I know for a fact that the horse track used this treated sand to control water.
The Racers can control what they call Muders.
Large Hoved Houses on a wet track.

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I wanted to get these soil samples before it got out why we were doing it.
The New Mexico investigator blew me off.

I wanted a sample so I could build a presentation model for investigation of of Alien Underground Bases.

I personally have seen a Alien Black Tube style Craft Raise from Gypsum.
And I have score to settle with those Bastards.....

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With out Wax --- Watcher

N120by60w- I live here in the 'Downs'. All I know is our racetrack is a sand track. ---

Last year we had major flooding in July that washed away the track. They had it redone within a week so as to not disrupt the season. They just use the local sand. Being in construction, I can tell you what's in the sand. It has a very high concentration of crushed quartz. Also there is a significant amount of caleche(gypsum) and some clay. Alot of sands will also have an amount of iron in them also.

'White Sands', which is nothing but gypsum sand dunes is about 80 miles away driving. If you look on GoogleEarth just look for the big 'white spot' right below the big 'black spot'(lava fields) in central New Mexico. Also the 'gypsum sands' is home to Holloman AFB and White Sands Missle Range.

As far as a secret recipe to our track's sands. Nothing here.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by geo1066]

I was stationed at Holloman in the 70's I understand.

Put the soil sample of the old washed out soil under a microscope.
If it is the sandy soil that I am talking about you will see there is a clear microscopic coating that prevents water absorbency.
It also prevents clumping.
Water would pass right threw it.
It could also be pumped away or pumped in at will.
The quartz component would not need this treatment.

I under stand Gypsum it has many of these properties on its own without being treated. It even acts like a dry lubricant it you were to have a pure sample like we have at the white sands missile range or monument area.

I read that the soil was placed on the track near 1980 & their was a little add about it being a break threw for house track management & possible school foot ball field use in the Alamogordo new papers off base.

In the last decade there was a 2-3 page add in the Kalamazoo Gazette about the placement of the same technology at the U of M. They were impugning the fairness of it when applied to manipulation of the field surface for high stakes games.

I believe that in another application it can be used to create a dry medium; that when excited by harmonic frequencies that exhibit zero resistance to movement threw it.
Like walking in water with out the corrosive & conductive affects.

I really was trying to stay on the quite side to build a model for a Mufon.

In a word actual "DUMB" entrance finger printing my friend.
Maybe a lot of rain coming into the Dulce area also?

I was going to hand Mufon a tool.

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[edit on 5/2/2009 by n120by60w]

[edit on 5/2/2009 by n120by60w]

Intresting. I now see what you're trying to get at. I do recall stories about ufos disappearing into mountains and such. How would your theory apply to ufos disappearing into water without a splash?

I know some people that work the track and when I see them I'll find out about what they do with the old sand when they re-surface th track. Maybe they stockpile it somewhere and if that's the case, I'll try to get a sample.

On a side note, you stated you were stationed at Holloman in the 70's. I was an Air Force brat and we were stationed there from 66 to mid 70. I've been trying to gather some facts of the going ons, particularly in 1970. If you were there during that time would you mind U2U me. I have some questions that you may be able to shead some light on. It's UFO related. Thanks.

reply to post by vapeninsula


I live in santee, California, and I do know of what you are referring to. I have lived here all my life and I have family and friends that lived right next to the hills where the alleged secret military base is.

When we were little kids we were always going up into the hills playing and building forts. In fact, almost all the kids in the area had there own fort up there. Back then it was common knowledge to everyone that went into the hills that further back was a military water treatment facility. I remember there was this a sense of mystery surrounding it. It was trespassing to go anywhere near it and it was guarded. So naturally, being kids, there were alot of storys about it. One in particular I remember was an offical news article about some kids playing to close and tripping a landmine.
Anyways, as far as secret tunnels and UFOs, I doubt it.

reply to post by six1nine

the fanita ranch sports complex is what were speaking of, there's homes not even 200 yards away theres no way there could be land mines, back to the question what is this place maps.google.com...?

reply to post by avgjoe360


Ill come back with more accurate information. But for now, I wil say Im sure of everything I said, especially about the landmind because it was a big thing in the news when it happened.
I am talking about the same place, those hills strecth around santee, and this military facility is the only one I know of back there. Those houses, btw, have had a halt in production if I recall correctly due to bad market, but I will check on that. Also, I have a cousin who was escorted away from that facility. I learned that after talking to my other cousin who is her brother the other day.
Like I said, I am sure of, and am telling the truth about everything I wrote so far. This place is the same place in santee you guys are talking about because it is the only one and there have always been storys and rumors of it.
Almost forgot, My cousin doesnt live next to the hills anymore, but he did tell me that he believes it was closed down, or that if people still work there they have to stay because no one comes and goes. He still frequents the area as many people do. Plus, its a small town and he knows the people that used to be his neighbors.

I will come back with more.

reply to post by six1nine


yes please elaborate

Originally posted by n120by60w

Originally posted by NightVision
reply to post by n120by60w

 

I'm really not sure if the ground over there is Gypsum, Sand, Clay, or dirt. But I could get a sample quit easily. I would naturally assume that certain areas of the fmr. base have diff. chemical traces in them due to the diff. types of testing that went on there. May ask why u want a sample and what u intend to do with it?

If you suspect that an underground structure that may have hidden enterances.
Sand & even better Gypson can be used to for cover.

If this is a real concern & you believe you have a good location of the enterance.

Get a soil sample if it is sand.
Get a microscope.
Simply look at the sand partials.
Hmmmm
Do they seem to have a coating.
If present it is most likely a clear coating.

A clear coating prevents clumping and allows water moisture to be controlled from below.

Dry Sand Or dry Gypsum becomes all but a liquid when vibrated at specific frequency's.

Entire Buildings/Runways/Small or Large Entrances can be raised or lowered threw the dry sand medium as if it were water.

Gypsum actually might act as a lubricant.
Rub it between your fingers.

Any assistance you need just ask.

Watcher ----

Excuse me for the two words I'm about to say: No way.

The only significance of gypsum in the area would be in suggesting that the region was once a shallow coastal region flooded with ocean. Gypsum is an evaporite mineral. It does not allow the actions that you talk about. The only way for something like that to occur would be liquefaction which requires water saturated loosely settled soils and sediments. Gypsum crystals would dissolve in the water. The vibrations required for such a movement of matter downwards or even upwards would require massive seismic vibrations in WET sands and silts. This region would have a well recorded history of regular earthquakes occurring. Even more so using gypsum, a water soluble mineral, as a cover for a hidden door would be foiled by a passing rainstorm.

A hydrophobic coating would thus make the gypsum (which would dissolve in water anyways) and sand repel water from clinging onto the surface but would not aid the allowance for matter to pass through. The moisture cannot be controlled from below, if there was any way to control the water level, you would either contribute to an aquifer or create a lake.

You may collect the corpse of your theory now that I have shot it up.

reply to post by Dnevnoi


Nope, the corpes is wearing kevlar-

www.nps.gov...

Like No Place Else on Earth

Rising from the heart of the Tularosa Basin is one of the world's great natural wonders - the glistening white sands of New Mexico. Here, great wave-like dunes of gypsum sand have engulfed 275 square miles of desert and created the world's largest gypsum dune field.

White Sands National Monument preserves a major portion of this unique dune field, along with the plants and animals that have successfully adapted to this constantly changing environment.



'White Sands' is home of Holloman AFB and the White Sands Missle Range plus a few other military outpost. Also where the first nucleur blast went off at 'The Trinity Site'.

The 'Sands' can be seen from the space shuttle. Google earth 'White Sands National Park' or 'Holloman AFB'.

Sorry to discredit your very informative attempt at discrediting 'n120by60w'.

[edit on 20-6-2009 by geo1066]

[edit on 20-6-2009 by geo1066]

reply to post by Dnevnoi



I forgot about the giant crystal caves-

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and also 'sheetrock' ie.-drywall,gypsumboard used in building.

I have kept in contact with 'n120by60w' via U2U concerning this subject.
My previous statement that I made in this post about the racetrack's sand being local sand(full of crushed quartz) was completely wrong. A friend of mine that works the track informed me that the 'track' is trucked in from somewhere around Alamogordo,N.M.(15mi east of Holloman AFB) which would give it a gypsum content.

I've aquired some of the 'track sand',since I live here, and viewed it under a microscope at the local University(my sister teaches science courses there) and have noted a sheen to the particles. As I'm in no way a geologist,what that represents I haven't a clue.

Now your statement from above-
"The vibrations required for such a movement of matter downwards or even upwards would require massive seismic vibrations in WET sands and silts."

This, I think, is the path that 'n120by60w' may be coming from. Instead of 'seismic', how about 'acoustic' which is more fesible? Or maybe even 'magnetic'?

The speculation is that there are alot more 'DUMBs' than we know about publicly but without a sign with an arrow on it or a big metal door in the side of a mountain all we can do is to speculate. You seem to be abit knowledgeable on geology. Thinking 'outside the box' do you have any thoughts of how a 'terra type' entrance could be achieved?

[edit on 20-6-2009 by geo1066]

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Oh well.
Sorry, I have not been paying attention.

I could post a drawing but my ATS points wont allow it.
Maybe someone could pull some strings for me.

We may be loosing momentum on this subject.

I am shy to blow off the lid off this before we have a good case to present.
The entire subject could be damaged by pulling the rip cord to early.

Do me a favor.

If you are sure of you have an exact location of a suspect Alien DUMM.
Only if it is safely & legally accessible.
Get a soil sample now!
Put it in a glass container.
Date the container.
Take a date stamped picture of the location as you take the sample.
A GPS location might be nice.
It wont matter now.
You might be happy you took the time to do it now at a later time.

Unrelated ---

I stood flat footed with my mouth agape as I witnessed the "dry" sand began to jump, as if alive...

Like the water's surface during in a downpour.
Like the water's surface when excited by sound.
Like water excited by systemic activity.
It was not a natural occurrence.
Flat Black colored Pillars rose from the soil.
Many stories tall.

I speak from experience.
I have had Decades to think about how this might be accomplished.
Humor me.
This is a gift for MUFON for helping me in the past.
They blew it off.
I think they made a mistake in doing so.

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[edit on 6/20/2009 by n120by60w]

Originally posted by Dnevnoi
The vibrations required for such a movement of matter downwards or even upwards would require massive seismic vibrations in WET sands and silts. This region would have a well recorded history of regular earthquakes occurring. Even more so using gypsum, a water soluble mineral, as a cover for a hidden door would be foiled by a passing rainstorm.

A hydrophobic coating would thus make the gypsum (which would dissolve in water anyways) and sand repel water from clinging onto the surface but would not aid the allowance for matter to pass through. The moisture cannot be controlled from below, if there was any way to control the water level, you would either contribute to an aquifer or create a lake.

You may collect the corpse of your theory now that I have shot it up.

I love this site.
We are all self assured when we first get here.
I see us all with skills that can compliment each other.

All right'y then.

Lay a old expendable speaker on its back.
Pour very dry sand in sealed cone of the upward facing woofer.
Place a penny on top of the sand.
Let er Rip.
You will find that it dose not even have to be loud or thumpy.

Ya might cover your eyes.
At least until you get a good handle on what your looking for.
Opp's where is the penny?
Runway, building, Alien Dumb entrance // what ever....

Now if you do have a minerals back ground.

Get back to me with the frequency of the vibrator that they use to expel air from cement during pouring.

Find and post the angle that sand & normal humus soils will naturally angle at when being staked.

/\
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It has a name but is slips my mind.

You can help.
Not just sand outside throwing rocks so to say.

With Respect -- Watchern

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Wow,

This week has proved that we are ruled by destiny if nothing else.
Being at the right place at the right time.

Well the baseline soil samples will no longer be a problem.

www.fairmountminerals.com...



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reply to post by n120by60w


Looking at the different sand types, which kind were you interested in?

Originally posted by geo1066
reply to post by n120by60w

 

Looking at the different sand types, which kind were you interested in?

The coated materials.
I was unaware of the particle sizes.
The smaller grains make a greater natural angle of bla bla bla higher.
The larger grains decrease this angle.
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It is the natural angle formed when the soil is stacked.
I forget what the angle is called.

The larger grained particles are cheaper cost wise.
So I will start there.
In Larger examples might prove critical though.


Dose anyone have a investigator located in Egypt that we can bring in on this? Or a relative?

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reply to post by six1nine


I took a look at the place today. I even took pictures if you want them. It says its part of the municipal water district. It looks as if they buried a water tank in the ground. We have tons of these around the area but I don't know why you would go to the expense of putting it in the ground.

I have been to the sites between I-15 and Santee. I have been underground in a few of the facility sites as well.

The facilities there are now defunct. The Marines maintain active training (above ground) sites so this is not a safe place to wander, besides it is illegal.

I grew up near by when I was younger and less respectful of signs, fences and guards.

The area had several above/underground anti-ballistic (Nike) missile launch sites in various canyons. I went three stories down in a few. They had tunnels that connected remoted control/launch rooms and the launch/cooling/fueling complex.

Also there was a defense contractor (now defunct) that assembled Tomahawks and Stinger systems in the same area and complex.

There are dangerous things there (chemicals, drops/vents, old/unstable munitions, etc) not to mention armed military. While dangerous there is nothing above TS or sensational there.

It sounds like an interesting story

I spoke to a family that has lived in the poway area for years. Thay had a neighbors son who was in the military in the 90's and said there's a tunnel that goes from miramar base to the site of the underground plant that is now no longer active. Apprently from this source there is rumured to be some sort very high level cryogenics going on somewhere within the complex that is currently active. Most likey on the west side closer to the I-15 and away from the old atlas testing sites. If you look on google there is alot of fresh activity and bunker building on the west side.