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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It sounds to me like the rest of the country would not be in such dire straights had they followed the example of collective bargaining for wages.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Why is it you feel that a handful of executives are entitled to huge earnings and the guy having to sift through the garbage deserves nothing but a pittance?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Think about people, compassion is what seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The UAW workers are not making to much, the rest of the country is making to little and you know, you are never going to find a fact or statistic to overcome that fact.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Further the auto workers are really the last of the true union workers. Many people complain well the problem is the workers make too much ang get too much.
Once again faulty thinking, they fought for and demanded a living wage from an industry making billions.
Originally posted by Tyr Sog
So what you're continuing to cry about here in this thread is if you want to make more then a line worker, choose to get a higher education in something other then these fields above?
Originally posted by Tyr Sog
Fact remains you can't base pay off of education. There's some fields that take 4yrs of college that pay absolutly nothing. On the flipside there's plenty of career fields that take no college that pay excellent.
Originally posted by Tyr Sog
I find it funny that the ones pointing fingers about entitlements are the biggest offenders of what they think they are entitled to and what their own self worth is. It's usually that guy with that 30yr, $1500/month, college loan who can't find a job and is now serving construction workers their Caramel Macchiato in the morning.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
....It makes little sense to let what had been a profitable industry prior to the lending crisis and the economic meltdown....
Propping up the banks, insurers and financial service industries that employ far less people, and produce nothing of real value at a cost of several times what the Auto Makers were hoping for makes little sense on the surface either. Unless you are inclined to suspect it’s the organized theft of the treasury as I do by the powers that be.
Originally posted by defcon5
What makes you feel that you are entitled to make more then those folks, you are the one asking them to bail your highly overpaid job out!
Originally posted by defcon5
That is fine, as long as those industries that are highly overpaying their personnel, are not asking to suck from the public pocket. Maybe rather then ask for public money, these companies which wish to act like they have such deep pockets, need to reconsider how much they are are wasting on overhead including salaries. My god, this is basic finances, no wonder you all are in trouble.
Originally posted by defcon5
You are expecting us to pay your overpriced salary, and you continue on like its business as usual.
Originally posted by defcon5
The same way that you stated that people can choose their vocations applies right back to you. I don't have to worry about losing my job ATM because I chose to work in a field that does pay a “fair days wage for a fair days work” and thus my vocation is not begging at the side of the road for peoples money. Long after cars no longer exist we will still need rescue personnel, health care workers, and law enforcement. Why should we send good money into a dying industry, simply to prolong its painful death dance? Just so you can have a job? Heck if you are going to live on taxpayer money why not go on social services, as that is really all this ends up being. You guys want social services but at the wages you are accustomed to receiving.
Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
we just might end up saving this crazy rock we live on.
What an arrogant remark, like the world is going to end if the auto companies fail, just how out of touch with reality are you guys?
Just the fact that I posted this:
making more then these folks make:
(based on averages from salary sites: )
RN: $55K to $65K
Paramedic: $30K to $45K
Police Officer: $40 to $60K
Fire Department: $30K to $50K
Teacher: $40k to $60K
Compared to:
Automotive Assembly Line Worker: $55K to $70K
Automotive Engineer: $60K to $90K
Yep that sounds about right.
And these guys don't see anything wrong with this should tell the American public EXACTLY why a bailout won't work. These guys perception of a “Fair days wages for a Fair days work” are THAT far out of alignment with the rest of the country. You bail them out, you'll be bailing them out again and again. They have gotten to where they don't even realize how askew from reality that their salaries are compared to everyone else, and they are entitled to that via osmosis or something. GM itself apologized to the consumers for the crap product that they have foisted on the public, yet the employees feel that there was nothing wrong with this and are in here defending that product.
WTF?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
One word Fiat!
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Flighty
More jobs that will go overseas and the locals won't have a slice of that future pie.
I agree it is madness. It is hard to believe law makers don't comprehend all the jobs attached to auto motive manufacturing.
Thanks for the post!
A better question is... Do I feel that the people listed above contribute to society, and do autoworkers deserve to have better pay or benefits then they do? The fact that I even have to explain this to you is freighting to me. Its nice to see that the greed in these places has gotten that much farther out of whack.